Mubarak resigns

kenny olav

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

this is fucking history! a people's movement for democracy and some of you motherfuckers are talking about this being another Iran??? it's not another Iran! be happy bitches! anyone who supports human rights and democracy should be ecstatic! I just got back from Tahrir Sq a short while ago and have been blastin live versions of Alive so far going crazy!

Drowned Out wrote:

I know that Western Intelligence backed coups have been disguised as 'popular revolution' before...so I've spent the last couple weeks looking for a source that is pushing this theory in the Egyptian revolution...
I know some of you will take that as anti-American, or backwards logic; looking for information to support a predetermined opinion....but it only makes sense. Not much happens in the world without Western foreknowledge or involvement.
I read when this first started that the US had been funding and training revolutionaries for at least two years (wikileaks), but I couldn't figure out WHY they were going against one of their puppets; what had Mubarek done to cross the West? Apparently, he was resisting a US nuclear umbrella in the middle east....he refused to deepen relations with Israel...he refused to support war with Iran...and he refused to support the Special Tribunal for Lebanon (kangaroo court investigation into Hariri assasination in Lebannon). He stopped playing ball with US interests.

Webster Tarpley lays it all out in a series of interviews of the last couple weeks:
http://www.tarpley.net
(there are audio links under the headlines - looks like the article is missing )

well I'm in Egypt right now and have been participating in the protests and the revolution and I can assure you that you are wrong. First, it IS a people's movement, not a secretly engineered U.S. one. it was unprecedented and the way Mubarak responded shows that. second, Mubarak has been playing ball with the U.S. and Israelis for YEARS! What are you talking about?? He refused to deepen relations with Israel? On what basis? he was selling them natural energy for like 80% below market price, which shows trade relations were fine. he was helping keep Hamas completely isolated and participating in the blockade even DURING the massacre in Gaza in Dec 08-Jan 09, so foreign policy wise he's been great. He has kept freedom of speech dead in his country which keeps the masses and their opinion on Israel subdued, and he HAS actually supported an American attack on Iran as the wikileaks cables show.....

Not just that, but Obama and the White House have been struggling to try to keep the motherfucker, or the new name we suddenly kept hearing, Omar Suleiman, in power. but that has failed. now the REAL question is the military: what role will they play in this; will they truly serve the people or will foreign interests try to get in the way. that will be left for the future but for tonight I think people should only take this news in extreme joy: everyone, that is, except for Israel. Your racist apartheid regime is crumbling, can you feel it??

Yes! Hey, I know we've sparred about religion on this board before, but I'm totally with you on this. I think this was a spontaneous people's revolution and the powers that be in the West didn't know what to make of it... as evidenced by Hillary Clinton's initial comments that the Mubarek regime was stable, and then Obama's insistence on trying to play both sides until finally they had to at least seem to be totally on the protesters' side... unless this was all an act? No, that's just being cynical. The folks who see the world as one giant conspiracy can speculate on how the West engineered this all they want, but reality will continue to discredit them. (Not that there aren't conspiracies...)

The other thing that has bothered me... is how ignorant fools all over the media assume this will end up being an Islamist takeover, like Iran. I listened to an interview with one of the senior leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood yesterday reiterate what they have been saying during this whole ordeal... that they have no plans to run a candidate for President or any other office, and simply plan to help build Egypt from the ground up, and that they support democracy with full rights for all... Muslims, Christians, secularists. My cousin has lived in Egypt (and is actually currently living in Istanbul), she is secular like me, but loves the people over there, and finds them much more friendly than people here at home in the U.S.

Look, I do fear the backslide into religious fundamentalism... and I don't know enough about Egypt to know how religious or how secular it will become. Also, define "religious". It means different things in different place. I think Egypt has a long hard road ahead of them, but I don't yet see an Islamist ruler or another Western puppet in their future.


When I heard the breaking news of Mubarek's resignation on NPR yesterday... I must admit, I teared up a bit. My best wishes to the Egyptian people. Congratulations on a relatively peaceful revolution!

Byrnzie

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

'Bout fucking time.

I wonder what the Israeli's make of it?

Seriously steve do you really give a shit what the usraelis make of it?

What i mean is, i wonder what effect it will have on the situation in Gaza.

catefrances

in my opinion it wont mean anything positive for gaza..

zarocat

At the moment Gaza as been affected by a shortage of food coming from Egypt through the underground tunnels connecting the two sides. That I do know. Hamas is hungry and needs Egypt's stability back again to continue the supply of not only food but building goods also. Sacks of concrete for example.

fuck

kenny olav wrote:

Look, I do fear the backslide into religious fundamentalism... and I don't know enough about Egypt to know how religious or how secular it will become. Also, define "religious". It means different things in different place. I think Egypt has a long hard road ahead of them, but I don't yet see an Islamist ruler or another Western puppet in their future.

Exactly, people like to conveniently bring the example of Iran or even Afghanistan, but they conveniently leave out Turkey. It's very possible for an Islamic party to be democratic and participate in government without imposing religion or its will on the people of the country. They can easily represent a significant part of the population without oppressing others. In any case, I have huge hope.

fuck

catefrances wrote:

in my opinion it wont mean anything positive for gaza..

wow, i STRONGLY disagree. democracy in Egypt means the people speak for themselves. the people support gaza which means the government will support Gaza (and Palestinians as a whole by extension). This won't mean anything good for Israel though! As the Palestine Papers show, Israel had the deal of a lifetime and they still rejected it! They're fucked now!