out of all the great leaders and patriots in history...

CH156378

we are still talking about ronald fucking reagan? ahh. please somebody tell me why.


also. something has got to be done about the way fast food is packaged. i mean can you believe how much fucking trash one meal is.

Byrnzie

Don't trust anyone called Ronald! :shh:

Newch91

That's why I've given up fast food.

Prince Of Dorkness

I was very sad when Ronald Reagan died.

Personally, I don't think he suffered nearly enough for the devastation he inflicted on the world. I thought they should put him on life support and stick needles in him every few minutes. Never change his diapers. That kind of thing.

He was proof that only the good die young.

unsung

Yeah that Reagan never did any good.

But he did less damage to this country than Clinton.

Godfather.

he had balls which is more than i can say about a lot of people.

Godfather.

keeponrockin

Godfather. wrote:

he had balls which is more than i can say about a lot of people.

Godfather.

Balls to ignore AIDS.
Balls to buddy up with Sadam.
Balls to back death squads in Nicaragua.

Shawshank

Jasunmark wrote:

I was very sad when Ronald Reagan died.

Personally, I don't think he suffered nearly enough for the devastation he inflicted on the world. I thought they should put him on life support and stick needles in him every few minutes. Never change his diapers. That kind of thing.

He was proof that only the good die young.

You make me laugh every time I read one of your posts. You're life must be absolutely miserable, because it seems like every word you type is filled with hatred about something or someone.

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

he had balls which is more than i can say about a lot of people.

Godfather.

Balls to ignore AIDS.
Balls to buddy up with Sadam.
Balls to back death squads in Nicaragua.

politics....and what do you think is any different today ? in few years you can post the same thing about Obama
or just about any president after Reagan...except Carter but I'm sure there is a pile of shit that people will toss at him too, politics is a deep dark world and keeping America safe is a dirty game but most people on this forum will never believe that, all countries have as you put it "death squads" in one way or another but you may not find them in the internet,there are powerful people in our government and governments around the world, in our country the president is just a puppet for the people or a mouth piece for the real power that call the shots and obamas broken promises should be a clear indicator of that, when we're talking about a countries safety why would you bring a knife to a gun fight ? I would like to see things different also but the compition for power among countries will never permit a prefect world.

Anyway thats my take on it,can anybody prove it different ?

Godfather.

keeponrockin

What you said is true. I just don't think Reagan is the saint that the GOP claims him to be. At the end of the day, he was a dirty politician like the rest of them, which I don't have a problem with, but the way he is worshiped is embarrassing IMO.

Prince Of Dorkness

Shawshank wrote:

You make me laugh every time I read one of your posts. You're life must be absolutely miserable, because it seems like every word you type is filled with hatred about something or someone.

That post was supposed to be ironically funny. I don't REALLY wish they'd tortured a man with Alzheimer's, no matter how evil I think he was when he wasn't shitting his pants every 45 minutes.

That said... as a young gay man growing up in the 80s, by the time I was 22 I had been to the funerals of about 15 of my close friends who were also young men my age... who got sick and rotted away in front of our eyes as Ronald Reagan refused to admit there was even a problem and much of the country said that "dying faggots" was a good thing.

So... Maybe I do carry around a little bitterness about that.

Oh... but I'm glad you find humor in my vitriol.

I'd suggest you watch my blog videos but I think they might traumatize you a bit.

arthurdent

keeponrockin wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

he had balls which is more than i can say about a lot of people.

Godfather.

Balls to ignore AIDS.
Balls to buddy up with Sadam.
Balls to back death squads in Nicaragua.

Indirectly responsible for the Challenger accident.


NASA knew about the risks of launching in cold weather and had already gone through several delays, but the highers up at HQ were pressured to launch anyway due to public relations between the White House and Christa McCauliffe.

arthurdent

keeponrockin wrote:

What you said is true. I just don't think Reagan is the saint that the GOP claims him to be. At the end of the day, he was a dirty politician like the rest of them, which I don't have a problem with, but the way he is worshiped is embarrassing IMO.

Didn't Queensryche write "Silent Senility" about Reagan?

arthurdent

old Bob Hope joke:

Reagan once confused his hearing aid with a Jelly Bean

he still stands

Reagon backed dictators in Central America, Indonesia, and Liberia and sent millions of dollars and sometimes even special US troops to do so. This being in direct opposition to popular opinion in those countries and costing thousands of lives, because those dictators were agreeable to US demands. That, I think, is his defining moment. That and the whole crazy trickle down economics thing... oh and the Star Wars missile defense system was really fucking silly as well.

On the other hand, he is the last President to suggest a 100% forfeiture of ALL nuclear weapons by the NPT members. Today the only guy willing to suggest that is fucking Dennis Kucinich.

Mostly, he was kinda evil and a bit crazy, but he wasn't ALL bad I guess.

arthurdent

I think I don't remember

Prince Of Dorkness

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2011/02/wh ... -1982.html

Laughter about dead queers. At the White House. It was five long horrifying and desperate years later before Reagan finally personally addressed the AIDS epidemic, when he came out against a public prevention campaign, saying, "Let's be honest with ourselves, AIDS information can not be what some call 'value neutral.' After all, when it comes to preventing AIDS, don't medicine and morality teach the same lessons?" By then, tens of thousands had died.

Newch91

arthurdent wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

What you said is true. I just don't think Reagan is the saint that the GOP claims him to be. At the end of the day, he was a dirty politician like the rest of them, which I don't have a problem with, but the way he is worshiped is embarrassing IMO.

Didn't Queensryche write "Silent Senility" about Reagan?

I'm not sure, but I know U2 wrote "Bullet the Blue Sky" about American forces being in Central America.

Byrnzie

Shawshank wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

I was very sad when Ronald Reagan died.

Personally, I don't think he suffered nearly enough for the devastation he inflicted on the world. I thought they should put him on life support and stick needles in him every few minutes. Never change his diapers. That kind of thing.

He was proof that only the good die young.

You make me laugh every time I read one of your posts. You're life must be absolutely miserable, because it seems like every word you type is filled with hatred about something or someone.

Really? That's not my impression of him.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

he had balls which is more than i can say about a lot of people.

Godfather.

http://www.highstrangeness.tv/articles/reagan.php

Ronald Reagan Guilty of Treason & War Crimes

As the mass media engaged in an orgy of adulation for Ronald Reagan in June of 2004, many thinking persons were remembering and mourning the deaths of the hundreds of thousands of victims of Ronald Reagan's policies and pondering the lasting damage that the man did not only to the United States but to the world.

During Reagan's reign the United States experienced the beginning of the end of what could have been a great nation. Under Reagan, elements within the government engaged in massive criminal activity that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and the entrenchment of a vicious and evil criminal organization that is now firmly in power of not only the United States but much of the world.


Reagan's crimes are many and started well before he was President when he and Bush committed treason and paid the Iranian's to not release the hostages in order to prevent the re-election of Jimmy Carter in 1980, not mention his reign of stupidity as Governor of California. The hostages were released as promised as Reagan was sworn into office. Reagan then secretly sold chemical & biological weapons to Iraq and told CIA buddy Saddam Hussein to step up bombing of Iran while still selling weapons to Iran in a war that claimed an estimated one million victims. The criminal activities in the Mid East stretched around the world to Central America in the spectacle that came to be known as Iran-Contra.

In Afghanistan, Reagan was busy funding Ossama bin Laden and a terrorist army to displace the Russians. Once the mighty 'Muhjadeen' had completed their task they were partially abandoned and became the Taliban and Al Queda. With no real replacement intended for the Russian backed government, the radical muslims quickly took power. Only later did the army without a war become the enemy so desperately needed by the US defense industry.

In Central America, Reagan-Bush ran a massive criminal operation that imported hundreds of tons of cocaine into the US and shipped arms illegally to the terrorist Contras that Reagan affectionately called "Freedom Fighters". Coca paste was brought in from South America by plane to an airstrip near Puntarenas, Costa Rica owned by Reagan/Bush supporter Julio Calleja and processed on the ranch of CIA operative John Hull. From there the high-grade coke was shipped by plane to the Mina, Arkansas Airport under the protection of Bill Clinton and to various Air Force bases..

Under direct US control, Reagan's 'Freedom Fighters' raped, tortured and murdered tens of thousands of innocent civilians in Nicaragua in an effort to bring down Nicaragua's first democratically elected government. The US had previously ruled Nicaragua through the brutal Somoza family dicatorship, once the dictatorship was overthrown by a popular revolution the US was quick to start an criminal campaign of terror against the government and civilians. The campaign of terror claimed 50,000 lives and crippled the entire nation.

Nicaragua took its case to the World Court. The court found that the U.S. actions constituted "an unlawful use of force .... [that] cannot be justified either by collective self-defence ... nor by any right of the United States to take counter-measures involving the use of force." The court ordered the United States to pay reparations, estimated at between $12 billion and $17 billion, to Nicaragua. Two weeks after the verdict was issued, the U.S. Congress voted to give the Contras $100 million to continue their war of terror against the people of Nicaragua. The US has never recognized the World Court's ruling nor paid any of the compensation owed to Nicaragua.

"The ripple effects of that criminal murderous intervention in my country will go on for 50 years or more." Fr. D'Escoto, Priest and former Nicaraguan Foreign Minister

Reagan's blood-fest wasn't limited to Nicaragua, his puppet military dictators abducted, tortured, murdered and mutilated over 200,000 civilians in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras in the name of 'democracy' and fighting communism. Nor was the slaughter done only through the US controlled dictators. In operations that are still highly classified, US AC-130 gunships, crewed by US personnel, flew at night over mountainous areas with potential rebels and killed anything that gave off body-heat. The AC-130 is a highly sophisticated computerized killing machine that "incorporate side-firing weapons integrated with sophisticated sensor, navigation and fire control systems to provide surgical firepower or area saturation during extended loiter periods, at night and in adverse weather. The sensor suite consists of a television sensor, infrared sensor and radar." - US Air Force

In 1999 the United Nations determined that the wholesale slaughter of Guatemalans, constituted "genocide." It was a genocide ordered and managed by the White House under Reagan.

For their part in Iran-Contra fourteen high level government officials were charged, yet few of them were convicted and received any real penalty. Bush pardoned six of the criminal conspirators. Some of those involved in the Iran-Contra crimes are now back in power under the current Bush administration.

Despite some environmental concessions to voters while Governor of California, Reagan's real views on the environment became clear during his Presidential campaign when he claimed that trees caused more air pollution than cars. During his criminal reign of terror he systematically dismantled environmental protection laws and rolled back decades of hard-won progress to protect the Earth and the health of its inhabitants.

To help ensure the rape of the land he appointed lunatic James Watt as Secretary of the Interior who claimed "We don’t have to protect the environment, the Second Coming [of Christ] is at hand." It wasn't until Watt was trying to defend his decision to give away more than 1 billion tons of coal from federal lands in Wyoming that he was finally acknowledged for what he was. His defense for the coal giveway was that he was immune to criticism because members of his coal-advisory panel included "a black ... a woman, two Jews, and a cripple." This comment got finally him fired in 1983.

His appointee for the EPA was the environment molester Anne Gorsuch who tried her best to gut the hard-won Clean Air and Clean Water Acts. Gorsuch's Superfund Director, Rita Lavelle, was jailed for lying to Congress under oath about the corruption in her division. Gorsuch was fired in 1983 when documents exposed by Congress revealed the corruption and crimes committed by the EPA under her direction.

...America's worst financial disaster since the Great Depression occured under Reagan with the collapse of the Savings & Loan system. Nearly $500 billion was looted from thousands of Savings & Loans by a criminal ring that included the Mafia, CIA and the Bush family. Neil Bush was involved in the collapse of Silverado Savings & Loan but never served any jail time. By the time the Federal government and elite is done milking the scam further, US taxpayers will have paid well over a trillion dollars.

The full extent of Reagan's crimes may never be known because George W. Bush issued an executive order which countermands the 1978 Presidential Records Act and prevents the release of 68,000 pages of Reagan era documents. Given that Reagan lacked the intelligence to carry out most of the more elaborate crimes, the records are likely to shed light on the true role of the Bush crime family.

Let us remember Reagan as he really was...

o Liar
o Thief
o Mass murderer
o War criminal
o Traitor
o Destroyer of freedom
o Destroyer of the environment
o Corporate whore
o Supporter of satanists and child murderers
o Idiot, moron

While Reagan may have not been entirely aware of what he was doing and how his decisions would impact the world, he was also much more sinister than the media has portrayed him. We can only hope that he gets to meet some of his many victims after joining the other thugs in hell.

Prince Of Dorkness

Byrnzie wrote:

Let us remember Reagan as he really was...

o Liar
o Thief
o Mass murderer
o War criminal
o Traitor
o Destroyer of freedom
o Destroyer of the environment
o Corporate whore
o Supporter of satanists and child murderers
o Idiot, moron

While Reagan may have not been entirely aware of what he was doing and how his decisions would impact the world, he was also much more sinister than the media has portrayed him. We can only hope that he gets to meet some of his many victims after joining the other thugs in hell.

Everybody loves a happy ending.