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1. proper funding
2. efficiency
our health care system has not adequately been funded for a long time now which has led to major wait times and less than effective care ... it also is problematic in a country that is becoming more and more divided politically than it ever has ... it used to be that all major parties supported health care but the social conservatives have been replaced by a more right wing ideology and they believe in privatization which means that the program no longer is running as the same ideal ...
people will criticize the wait times and the quality of care but those are just symptoms of the two points above ... as a socialist - i believe health care should be universal to all citizens ... and for the most part it is here ... my good friend last year had a new baby that had an under developed colon and a wife with leukemia ... i'm not sure where he would be right now if he had to worry about paying those bills ... (of course he still has many - but he isn't crippled by debt now either) ...
my only advice to people is this: if you didn't know how your life was going to turn out what kind of a medical system would you want. I would bet everyone who answered would say that they would want a system that would be fair to all. American system is not fair to all.
It all depends on who you ask, some people will rave about, some people find it so so and some people would much prefer your system. Personally if your in an area that has doctors or plenty of clinics then you are going to be quite satisfied. I moved from an area that only had 1 clinic and no doctors with open practices and it was dreadful, you either go to the hospital and wait or wait at the clinic. We do suffer from a shortage of doctors, which according to my doctor is leading to problems. I am in the so so category, it could be better, it also could be, just happy I'm healthy and I don't have to under go any major treatment to find out.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
In Canada the wait times are really no longer than they are down here in America. That's a myth. I've been to plenty of US and Canadian Hospitals and the only difference it seems is that in Canada you actually choose your own doctor even if you're not rich and even the under-staffed places seem to actually give a shit if you die or not.
Canada's system isn't perfect and it needs a lot of fine-tuning to update it to a more modern reality.
but I'd take it over the US system ANY day, thanks. I'd like to live.
Our healthcare system is really starting to go south, but that isn't entirely because the system is flawed (in my opinion), it's because the way it is starting to be managed. Coming from someone who has many friends and family members who are a part of it (either works in some sector of it or is a patient), it gets frustrating thinking of how the government is really starting to bugger it up.
I think most Canadians are frustrated with our system but still feel its way ahead of the US in a lot of ways.
I don't care what anyone says I think everyone should have a right to the chance at life no matter how deep your pockets are. There is something intrinsically flawed in a system which requires you to call your insurance provider before you call an ambulance.
I hate to break it to people but we're going to see more private sector involvement in health care, health care has just become to expensive for the government to do it alone. I believe Ontario spends around 42% of every tax $$$ on health care on the way to 50%, add in education and we're probably close to 70% on those 2 items alone.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
That, and I'm sympathetic to those who don't have the money to pay for it.
And of course if there were someone on the fence this is the best way to convince them.
And if they didn't believe in paying for others you belittle them right off the bat so it turns into an argument instead of a quality discussion.
Why didn't you just title it "UHC haters go fuck off"?
Let's not dismiss the fact that the purchase mandate is unconstitutional.
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
The elephant in the health-care closet is the relationship between the Federal government and the provinces. The provinces provide health care, but Ottawa provides much of the money via the health transfer, with the idea being equivalent care across the country. But costs are rising, provincial/federal relations are far from an all time high, and some folks are looking for alternative models. Lukin2006 is probably bang-on, some form of mixed funding model is on the horizon.
Pickupyourwill if much of that cost is prescriptions I'm not sure that we're too different up here, big-pharma has long arms. Best of luck.
That might be, although when Republicans suggested it in the Clinton years, I didn't hear the extreme right wingers crying like banshees.
My trainer has his own private gym on the north end of South Central Los Angeles. So I drive through downtown past the Staples Center to get there.
As I drive past, I often go past a bi-monthly "Free Mobile Clinic" that offers free health care to poor people. You know, like they have in Somalia and Ethiopia.
I see literally hundreds, maybe thousands of families lined up for to see a doctor. Some spend 18+ hours for 10 minutes with a doctor. Because that's their only chance for health care at all.
In a country that brags about being the "greatest country in the world," that's just unacceptable.
About the wait times. If you experience a wait time of let's say 8 hours, well, that's because all the cases that needed attention before you which were due to severity, have been looked at.
It's first come first serve, yes, but it is worst first served. I broke my collar bone in three places and when I got to emergency, I was stuck with morphine and x-rayed right away because I had to be. I definitely bumped everyone who was their with the sniffles or over anxious parents who were in emergency to treat their newborns fever.
1998: Barrie
2000: Montreal, Toronto, Auburn Hills
2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal
2004: Boston X2, Grand Rapids
2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto
2006: Toronto X2
2009: Toronto
2011: PJ20, Montreal, Toronto X2, Hamilton
2012: Manchester X2, Amsterdam X2, Prague, Berlin X2, Philadelphia, Missoula
2013: Pittsburg, Buffalo
2014: Milan, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo, Detroit
2016: Ottawa, Toronto X2
2018: Padova, Rome, Prague, Krakow, Berlin, Barcelona
2023: Chicago X2
2024: New York X2
My girlfriend grew up in Germany. She was talking to someone recently who said he had been to Germany and that it was really nice and that he enjoyed his visit. He asked her if she would ever move back there, and she said "yes" (she would move there yesterday). He said that he could never live there, so, my girlfriend asked, "Why not?" He replied, "because I love freedom too much."
This is the idiocy behind the "America is the Greatest Country in the World"mentality. Freedom is only an American virtue; no other nation has free citizens.........
This shit just drives me nuts.
It's a crappy catch phrase. What Freedoms was she missing?
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St. Paul 2014
That was part of the problem at one time (doctors moving south), I think now it's not nearly as much. part of the problem was back in the late 80's the government reduced medical school space, so not as many doctors were graduating. Over the year governments have increased medical school spaces, but it how lng to become a doctor? many years. According to my doctor, many future doctors are heading into specialties and leaving a huge void in the area of primary care.
I guess there's no easy answer. Truthfully I can only judge our system, have never used the US system.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
How do you know that it's their only chance? Maybe some of them who could otherwise find treatment somewhere else are lured by the free aspect of it and are clogging the system.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Actually from what I understand the whole idea that Canadian trained doctors are permanently moving to the US is way overblown. I think the typical thing that happens is that med school graduates move to the US to do their residencies and pay off any debt (I have both read this and heard this from people I know who are doctors). Then when they have completed their training they move back to Canada and practice there. So really while there might be a bunch of med school graduates moving to the US, most of them move back to Canada so the net loss is pretty low.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
The lure of money is a very powerful one, but I think in a lot of cases once doctors have received their residency training and paid off education debts I think a lot of them would rather live in Canada. Plus from what I have read even though you make more money in the US, practising medecine there is a pain in the ass. I mean in Canada if you are a doctor you treat your patients as you see fit and then bill the province for your time, and everyone is on the same program. In the us if you are a doctor there is all sorts of different insurance programs people could be on with different forms and submitting requirements, plus insurance companies deciding what kind of treatments they will pay for.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
health insurance DOES NOT = health care
I firmly believe the existence and pervasiveness and dependence upon health insurance is the main reason that healthcare costs so much in the USA.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.