NYC Smoking ban extended

Bronx BombersBronx Bombers Posts: 2,208
edited February 2011 in A Moving Train
NEW YORK – New York City's parks, beaches and even Times Square will be off-limits to smokers under one of the nation's toughest anti-cigarette laws passed Wednesday by the City Council.

"This summer, New Yorkers who go to our parks and beaches for some fresh air and fun will be able to breathe even cleaner air and sit on a beach not littered with cigarette butts," Mayor Bloomberg said after the 36-12 vote.

The smoking ban will cover 1,700 parks and 14 miles of public beaches plus boardwalks, marinas and pedestrian plazas like the one in the heart of Times Square. The ban goes into effect 90 days after Blooomberg signs the bill; the mayor has 20 days to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110202/ap_ ... g_in_parks
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    excellent... smoking annoys me more than american gun fantasists... so thats saying something.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Hopefully most states will start enforcing very strict litter laws for those jerks that throw their cigarette butts out the car window as they drive along, too.

    That being said, I'm not in favor of banning smoking anywhere. I hate smoking, but I think it should be up to individual businesses to decide if they do not want smoking. And I certainly do not believe in banning it outside.

    My biggest problem is the littering as mentioned above. I do not understand why people think it's OK to throw cigarette butts on the ground.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited February 2011
    know1 wrote:
    Hopefully most states will start enforcing very strict litter laws for those jerks that throw their cigarette butts out the car window as they drive along, too.

    That being said, I'm not in favor of banning smoking anywhere. I hate smoking, but I think it should be up to individual businesses to decide if they do not want smoking. And I certainly do not believe in banning it outside.

    My biggest problem is the littering as mentioned above. I do not understand why people think it's OK to throw cigarette butts on the ground.

    well then good luck with the pot thing, smoking is smoking right ?
    just saying that agree with you but whats going to happen if pot is legalized ? will it come under the same scrutiny ?

    Godfather.
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    dunkman wrote:
    excellent... smoking annoys me more than american gun fantasists... so thats saying something.
    Should we ban everything that annoys you???
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    excellent... smoking annoys me more than american gun fantasists... so thats saying something.
    Should we ban everything that annoys you???
    :lol:
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    excellent... smoking annoys me more than american gun fantasists... so thats saying something.
    Should we ban everything that annoys you???

    Exactly. As I said in my post, I HATE smoking, but I do not think it should be banned anywhere.

    Too many people put their own personal preferences over correct ideology.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Godfather. wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Hopefully most states will start enforcing very strict litter laws for those jerks that throw their cigarette butts out the car window as they drive along, too.

    That being said, I'm not in favor of banning smoking anywhere. I hate smoking, but I think it should be up to individual businesses to decide if they do not want smoking. And I certainly do not believe in banning it outside.

    My biggest problem is the littering as mentioned above. I do not understand why people think it's OK to throw cigarette butts on the ground.

    well then good luck with the pot thing, smoking is smoking right ?
    just saying that agree with you but whats going to happen if pot is legalized ? will it come under the same scrutiny ?

    Godfather.

    I don't care one way or the other if pot is legalized. I just don't want the government to tax it and not lower taxes in some other area to offset it.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    know1 wrote:
    Exactly. As I said in my post, I HATE smoking, but I do not think it should be banned anywhere.

    Too many people put their own personal preferences over correct ideology.

    uhhh ... second hand smoke is the leading cause of lung cancer amongst non-smokers ... there is definitely a need for a ban ...

    i'm not sure about everywhere but i don't think too many people are up in arms here in toronto where it is currently banned - mostly restaurants and commercial buildings ...
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    polaris_x wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Exactly. As I said in my post, I HATE smoking, but I do not think it should be banned anywhere.

    Too many people put their own personal preferences over correct ideology.

    uhhh ... second hand smoke is the leading cause of lung cancer amongst non-smokers ... there is definitely a need for a ban ...

    i'm not sure about everywhere but i don't think too many people are up in arms here in toronto where it is currently banned - mostly restaurants and commercial buildings ...

    But people can decide on their own if they want to frequent a business that allows smoking or not.

    Statistics are always very misleading, too. 74% of them are made up on the spot.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    polaris_x wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Exactly. As I said in my post, I HATE smoking, but I do not think it should be banned anywhere.

    Too many people put their own personal preferences over correct ideology.

    uhhh ... second hand smoke is the leading cause of lung cancer amongst non-smokers ... there is definitely a need for a ban ...

    i'm not sure about everywhere but i don't think too many people are up in arms here in toronto where it is currently banned - mostly restaurants and commercial buildings ...
    uhhh ... Radon is the leading cause of lung cancer amongst non-smokers.... There is definitely a need for a ban on soil, water, rocks, earths crust...
    Should we ban perfume/fragrence since they cause so many allergic reactions???
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    excellent... smoking annoys me more than american gun fantasists... so thats saying something.
    Should we ban everything that annoys you???

    all things that affect my own and others health... that includes the use of 3 question marks at the end of a sentence.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    pandora wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    excellent... smoking annoys me more than american gun fantasists... so thats saying something.
    Should we ban everything that annoys you???
    :lol:

    oh to be so easily amused. ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Exactly. As I said in my post, I HATE smoking, but I do not think it should be banned anywhere.

    Too many people put their own personal preferences over correct ideology.

    uhhh ... second hand smoke is the leading cause of lung cancer amongst non-smokers ... there is definitely a need for a ban ...

    i'm not sure about everywhere but i don't think too many people are up in arms here in toronto where it is currently banned - mostly restaurants and commercial buildings ...
    uhhh ... Radon is the leading cause of lung cancer amongst non-smokers.... There is definitely a need for a ban on soil, water, rocks, earths crust...


    nobody has ever caught cancer from passive soil handling...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    edited February 2011
    dunkman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    excellent... smoking annoys me more than american gun fantasists... so thats saying something.
    Should we ban everything that annoys you???

    all things that affect my own and others health... that includes the use of 3 question marks at the end of a sentence.
    So again, perfume/fragrance affects my wifes allergies to the point where she has to bring an Empi pen where ever she goes, its soooooo annoying to us, should we ban perfume because it affects my wifes health and other people with allergies???
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    dunkman wrote:

    nobody has ever caught cancer from passive soil handling...
    I didn't know smokers locked you in their car when they smoke, if you are around someone smoking and you don't like it, use your legs and walk away. The world does not revolve around you and your annoyances, If my wife gets a allergic reaction at a resturant then we leave, since we have that choice, everyone does...
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    Should we ban everything that annoys you???

    all things that affect my own and others health... that includes the use of 3 question marks at the end of a sentence.
    So again, perfume/fragrance affects my wifes allergies to the point where she has to bring an Empi pen where ever she goes, its soooooo annoying to use, should we ban perfume because it affects my wifes health and other people with allergies???

    will she die a horrible and protracted death because she sniffed in some perfume?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    why are cigarettes even legal, why make all these laws limiting their use to basically your closet, that is unless you live in an aparment. If it is illegal to do it everywhere, why are they legal? I cannot for the life of me fiure out why cigs are legal and I cannot go buy a joint from the gas station.

    I understand the health risks, I cannot believe people still do it, but it isn't up to the government to make that choice so half assed...They basically are saying, "we still want you to buy the cigarettes, we still want all that tax money, but ....you cannot actually use the cigarettes anywhere."

    New york city is such a cool place, I cannot believe the people there put up with this non-sense
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    nobody has ever caught cancer from passive soil handling...
    I didn't know smokers locked you in their car when they smoke, if you are around someone smoking and you don't like it, use your legs and walk away. The world does not revolve around you and your annoyances, If my wife gets a allergic reaction at a resturant then we leave, since we have that choice, everyone does...

    why do you leave the restaurant? why doesn't the fat lazy smoker walk 20 paces to an outside designated area so they can smoke, then come back and finish their meal?... that way the restaurateur doesn't need to lose any business at all... whereas he's just lost yours.

    smokers are so selfish of other people... if i walked around with human shit rubbed into my hair I'd expect to be removed from a restaurant or a bar... but smokers think they have the right to blew their cancer into other peoples faces.

    selfish.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    know1 wrote:
    But people can decide on their own if they want to frequent a business that allows smoking or not.

    Statistics are always very misleading, too. 74% of them are made up on the spot.

    Second-hand smoke

    Second-hand smoke is what smokers exhale and what rises from a burning cigarette, pipe or cigar. People exposed to second-hand smoke have an increased risk of lung cancer. Second-hand smoke is a main risk factor for lung cancer among non-smokers.

    Second-hand smoke is also called environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), or involuntary or passive smoking.
    Second-hand smoke contains the same chemicals as smoke that is actively inhaled.
    No amount of exposure to second-hand smoke is safe.

    from cancer.ca

    although heidijam is correct in the Radon exposure stat ... but similiar to asbestos ... there are regulations against this stuff ... not unlike a ban ...

    are you guys so hell bent on personal freedoms that public safety is never a consideration? ... perhaps i should be allowed to ahve a pet lion and be allowed to go wherever i want ...
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    why are cigarettes even legal, why make all these laws limiting their use to basically your closet, that is unless you live in an aparment. If it is illegal to do it everywhere, why are they legal? I cannot for the life of me fiure out why cigs are legal and I cannot go buy a joint from the gas station.

    I understand the health risks, I cannot believe people still do it, but it isn't up to the government to make that choice so half assed...They basically are saying, "we still want you to buy the cigarettes, we still want all that tax money, but ....you cannot actually use the cigarettes anywhere."

    New york city is such a cool place, I cannot believe the people there put up with this non-sense

    it just got even cooler imo.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the few friends i have that smoke approve of smoking bans in restaurants ... when they sit down and eat - they don't want to have to inhale the toxic substance either ...
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    polaris_x wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    But people can decide on their own if they want to frequent a business that allows smoking or not.

    Statistics are always very misleading, too. 74% of them are made up on the spot.

    Second-hand smoke

    Second-hand smoke is what smokers exhale and what rises from a burning cigarette, pipe or cigar. People exposed to second-hand smoke have an increased risk of lung cancer. Second-hand smoke is a main risk factor for lung cancer among non-smokers.

    Second-hand smoke is also called environmental tobacco smoke (ETS), or involuntary or passive smoking.
    Second-hand smoke contains the same chemicals as smoke that is actively inhaled.
    No amount of exposure to second-hand smoke is safe.

    from cancer.ca

    although heidijam is correct in the Radon exposure stat ... but similiar to asbestos ... there are regulations against this stuff ... not unlike a ban ...

    are you guys so hell bent on personal freedoms that public safety is never a consideration? ... perhaps i should be allowed to ahve a pet lion and be allowed to go wherever i want ...

    Again, there are many sides to statistics. It may be the second leading (or now "main risk factor"), but how many non-smokers get lung cancer? I'm not trying to dispute you, just saying there are other ways to look at things.

    I just wish a business could decide whether they want smokers or not rather than have the government dictate it.

    In this thread, I already said I wish we could just ban the littering that comes from smoking so I'm not for total personal freedom.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    know1 wrote:
    Again, there are many sides to statistics. It may be the second leading (or now "main risk factor"), but how many non-smokers get lung cancer? I'm not trying to dispute you, just saying there are other ways to look at things.

    I just wish a business could decide whether they want smokers or not rather than have the government dictate it.

    In this thread, I already said I wish we could just ban the littering that comes from smoking so I'm not for total personal freedom.

    what side of "No amount of exposure to second-hand smoke is safe" are you concerned with?

    businesses can't decide who they serve alcohol to ... you have to be of the legal drinking age ... businesses also can't serve unproperly handled or cooked food ... this is an issue of public safety ... are you against this?

    edit: honestly, i can see how people want to protect their "freedoms" but smoking? ... this is where one draws the line? ...
  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    edited February 2011
    dunkman wrote:

    will she die a horrible and protracted death because she sniffed in some perfume?
    Are you saying every person exposed to second hand smoke gets cancer? Last i checked you can easily die from allergic reaction if seroius enough. So whats yoru point, the slowness of how you die now factors in what we should ban?
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  • BlockheadBlockhead Posts: 1,538
    dunkman wrote:
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    nobody has ever caught cancer from passive soil handling...
    I didn't know smokers locked you in their car when they smoke, if you are around someone smoking and you don't like it, use your legs and walk away. The world does not revolve around you and your annoyances, If my wife gets a allergic reaction at a resturant then we leave, since we have that choice, everyone does...

    why do you leave the restaurant? why doesn't the fat lazy smoker walk 20 paces to an outside designated area so they can smoke, then come back and finish their meal?... that way the restaurateur doesn't need to lose any business at all... whereas he's just lost yours.

    smokers are so selfish of other people... if i walked around with human shit rubbed into my hair I'd expect to be removed from a restaurant or a bar... but smokers think they have the right to blew their cancer into other peoples faces.

    selfish.
    haha, you just went on a rant about being selfish and you wan't to ban something that annoys YOU... Great logic there. We left the restraunt due to my wifes alergic reaction to some perfume/fragrance, and since we are unselfish people we realized that those people were their first enjoying their meal and did not have the intention of harming us even though there is the possibility, so we simply made a choice to leave because we don't impose our annoyances over/on others. If you are so offended by smoke, why would you go to a place that allows smoking, and then complain about it. You sound like one of those people who goes out to get drinks at a cigar bar and complains about the cigar smoke.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    polaris_x wrote:
    what side of "No amount of exposure to second-hand smoke is safe" are you concerned with?

    businesses can't decide who they serve alcohol to ... you have to be of the legal drinking age ... businesses also can't serve unproperly handled or cooked food ... this is an issue of public safety ... are you against this?

    edit: honestly, i can see how people want to protect their "freedoms" but smoking? ... this is where one draws the line? ...

    Nothing people do in this life is safe. Saying that "No amount of exposure to second-hand smoke is safe" doesn't say anything of substance. It's like saying "No amount of driving a car is safe".

    Since you're going to nitpick, I suppose I should clarify and say that I do not think underage people should be legally served alcohol, so what I meant to say is that I wish business could choose allow people who are of age to smoke if they want. And to ban them if they want to as well. I assumed most people would understood that was what I meant. I guess that's what happens when you assume.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    HeidiJam wrote:
    haha, you just went on a rant about being selfish and you wan't to ban something that annoys YOU... Great logic there. We left the restraunt due to my wifes alergic reaction to some perfume/fragrance, and since we are unselfish people we realized that those people were their first enjoying their meal and did not have the intention of harming us even though there is the possibility, so we simply made a choice to leave because we don't impose our annoyances over/on others. If you are so offended by smoke, why would you go to a place that allows smoking, and then complain about it. You sound like one of those people who goes out to get drinks at a cigar bar and complains about the cigar smoke.

    if perfumes are ever deemed to be even half the public safety issue smoking is ... i'd be more than happy to see a ban ...
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    will she die a horrible and protracted death because she sniffed in some perfume?
    Are you saying every person exposed to second hand smoke gets cancer? Last i checked you can easily die from allergic reaction if seroius enough. So whats yoru point the slowness of how you die not factors in what we should ban?

    no i'm not saying that as you can see from my previous posts where i have never typed the words "every person exposed to second hand smoke gets cancer".

    now second hand smoking has been proven to kill many many thousands of people... I don't know the actual stats of people dying from Chanel No 5 being sprayed to close but i'm guessing it's pretty low.

    laws like this are passed for the common good... a law banning perfume spraying would only really help about 4 people.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    dunkman wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    :lol:

    oh to be so easily amused. ;)
    It's delightful Dunk you should try it ;)
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    HeidiJam wrote:
    If you are so offended by smoke, why would you go to a place that allows smoking, and then complain about it. You sound like one of those people who goes out to get drinks at a cigar bar and complains about the cigar smoke.

    I don't need to worry about that... Scotland (and the UK) banned smoking in all public places many years ago...

    now thats the case in NY and I for one think its amazing. well done.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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