Same here. Not sure why they can't release the product in the 10club goods section, like Live @ The Showbox. It doesn't have to be a worldwide online & instore official release. It can be a fan club DVD sale.
The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
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The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
If my fans were begging for it AND the shows were of some historic significance such as the closing of the Spectrum, I would probably do it to make my fans happy. Their other DVD's have flaws as well...it's part of any show.
The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
If my fans were begging for it AND the shows were of some historic significance such as the closing of the Spectrum, I would probably do it to make my fans happy. Their other DVD's have flaws as well...it's part of any show.
Same here. Not sure why they can't release the product in the 10club goods section, like Live @ The Showbox. It doesn't have to be a worldwide online & instore official release. It can be a fan club DVD sale.
The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
I understand. Though if the band doesn't like the footage they could let the guy's know who editing/mixing/mastering all the video footage tapes of Philly '09 to go back to the drawing boards & create something differently. There were so many video cameras @ the show. So many tapes. It's a huge job to pic & choose which snap shot/footage to use to sync up. I hope they don't can the project. The fan's are dying to see this.
I understand. Though if the band doesn't like the footage they could let the guy's know who editing/mixing/mastering all the video footage tapes of Philly '09 to go back to the drawing boards & create something differently. There were so many video cameras @ the show. So many tapes. It's a huge job to pic & choose which snap shot/footage to use to sync up. I hope they don't can the project. The fan's are dying to see this.
It would seem weird that 2 entire concerts were edited before canning the project. Sounds like something Axl Rose could do - high on coke.
There has to be another reason for it to be cancelled or it was cancelled earlier. Maybe they can't go back using handheld cams after the dolly-shots on Immagine In Cornice?
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The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
two words
RIOT ACT
just sayin
Ha, but I think they secretly like Riot Act (I know I do).
I disagree with that though... if it was filmed, they'll put it out on SOMETHING for sure... maybe combine the 2 nights into one DVD or something. They seem to put out anything they can make money on, and we buy it.
4 words:
Live on Ten Legs.
Listened to it a little more this weekend... NOT the best versions of ANY of those songs over the past 8 years. Any of us here who are addicted to bootlegs could make a better compilation of live songs than what they put out, which, in my opinion, was a hastily assembled release to "kick off" the PJ20 year.
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If my fans were begging for it AND the shows were of some historic significance such as the closing of the Spectrum, I would probably do it to make my fans happy. Their other DVD's have flaws as well...it's part of any show.
Since when you have fans?
But yes I would do it too just to see the fans happy
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Only Philly natives really want this. Why would the band bother?
I want a dvd of stuff theyre happy and proud to release.
The Philly shows, while fun, were all rather sloppy by most accounts, our boys were having lots of fun but weren't exactly top of their game owing to the laughs they were having and all the fun being had.
It'll be Berlin 09/2010 that's getting released. Hence the boot missing from 10c. And rightly so. 2 of the best, if not the best shows i've ever seen Pj play on every level.
The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
two words
RIOT ACT
just sayin
Ha, but I think they secretly like Riot Act (I know I do).
I disagree with that though... if it was filmed, they'll put it out on SOMETHING for sure... maybe combine the 2 nights into one DVD or something. They seem to put out anything they can make money on, and we buy it.
4 words:
Live on Ten Legs.
Listened to it a little more this weekend... NOT the best versions of ANY of those songs over the past 8 years. Any of us here who are addicted to bootlegs could make a better compilation of live songs than what they put out, which, in my opinion, was a hastily assembled release to "kick off" the PJ20 year.
You know I was having this discussion with my wife about Live on Ten Legs because I was like "Oh well, I think the version of In Hiding from the Vic should be on there, and I think the version of Just Breathe from the ACL tv taping should be on there instead" just to name a few. She brought up a good point that a lot of the versions we love, we love for different reasons (Energy, crowd interaction, a certain Mike improvised lick/solo, A certain Ed-ism) then the band, who are a lot more musically trained and know their music a lot better then we do and hear the songs on a completely different level then us. It was different in 98 when LO2L came out and there wasn't great recordings of that tour, those were the definitive live versions of those songs and you'd be hard pressed to find better versions, still to this day. A lot of that is because of the fact there wasn't oodles of bootlegs available like there is now. At any rate, I think you're making the mistake I did when I first listened to LOXL and mistaking "best" with "favorite", the more I listen to it the more I respect some of the decisions there. Alive has absolutely re-kindled my love for that song, that version is incendiary. SOLAT is absolutely FLAWLESS and RVM has to be one of the best versions of that song I have ever heard. In Hiding and Animal are also awesome versions. You know the band listened to the crap out of those songs and had plenty of discussion on why or why a certain version should be on there or not be on there.
My biggest beef now is the lack of some of their best live songs. Where is Lukin? Not for You? Insignificance? Red Mosquito with Ben Harper on slide guitar? Indifference with Ben Harper? Rockin' in the Free World? Why Go?
You get the point, I would take those over Unthought Known (not the greatest version), Jeremy (Again, really?) etc
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They gave Cameron Crowe all of the footage from the Spectrum shows. I am sure this is where this has come from.
I think that I remember hearing Pierre Robert talking about them filming parts of the Spectrum shows for the Cameron Crowe doc. He actually went out to Seattle to talk to Crowe, but I never did hear what it was about officially.
Not sure if that sheds any more light on this whole thing.
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They gave Cameron Crowe all of the footage from the Spectrum shows. I am sure this is where this has come from.
I think that I remember hearing Pierre Robert talking about them filming parts of the Spectrum shows for the Cameron Crowe doc. He actually went out to Seattle to talk to Crowe, but I never did hear what it was about officially.
Not sure if that sheds any more light on this whole thing.
They gave Cameron Crowe all of the footage from the Spectrum shows. I am sure this is where this has come from.
I think that I remember hearing Pierre Robert talking about them filming parts of the Spectrum shows for the Cameron Crowe doc. He actually went out to Seattle to talk to Crowe, but I never did hear what it was about officially.
Not sure if that sheds any more light on this whole thing.
That was for the Andy Wood documentary.
ahhh. Thank you sir!
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Were they a tad sloppier than the average PJ show? Maybe. Were they the epic flub-fests people seem to think they were? Absolutely not.
Yea, its ridiculous ain't it? Maybe some of the HATE has to do that they didn't play 4 concerts in their city? Hell, if those shows were so SLOPPY, i/we should stop seeing them. But then again, they were only sloppy because they weren't ther? We can't forget that the show that THEY were at, was the BEST EVER. But, thats not a bad thing, as that just goes to show you, how GREAT of a band PEARL JAM is.
Would like an official DVD Spectrum release, but i'll take any official DVD release>
Were they a tad sloppier than the average PJ show? Maybe. Were they the epic flub-fests people seem to think they were? Absolutely not.
Yea, its ridiculous ain't it? Maybe some of the HATE has to do that they didn't play 4 concerts in their city? Hell, if those shows were so SLOPPY, i/we should stop seeing them. But then again, they were only sloppy because they weren't ther? We can't forget that the show that THEY were at, was the BEST EVER. But, thats not a bad thing, as that just goes to show you, how GREAT of a band PEARL JAM is.
Would like an official DVD Spectrum release, but i'll take any official DVD release>
yea anyone who was at any of those shows isnt complaining too much. i only wish id gotten into town for the first two shows as well! personally i loved them haha dont know what people complain about! dont buy the dvd then, i fucking sure as hell will be
Maybe there will be an official blu-ray of the concert that will coincide with the release of the movie? Sounds like a good idea to me.
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I'll be happy for any new PJ dvd. Last year I went through a stage where i pretty much watched my Pearl Jam dvds every night for two months so it would be nice to have a new one!
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The thing is, as artists, if you arent happy with it, youre not just going to have it "out there" regardless of a worldwide release or a fan club only thing. If you made something and you werent happy about it would you be proud to put it out, and say "thats me, i did that"? Probably not right? They have to hold themselves up to a certain standard, and that standard is obviously a lot higher then we want/expect it to be, but artists are a finicky bunch.
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If my fans were begging for it AND the shows were of some historic significance such as the closing of the Spectrum, I would probably do it to make my fans happy. Their other DVD's have flaws as well...it's part of any show.
two words
RIOT ACT
just sayin
BAHAHAHAHA
shoots that theory down quickly!
yeah but you don't have any fans....
I understand. Though if the band doesn't like the footage they could let the guy's know who editing/mixing/mastering all the video footage tapes of Philly '09 to go back to the drawing boards & create something differently. There were so many video cameras @ the show. So many tapes. It's a huge job to pic & choose which snap shot/footage to use to sync up. I hope they don't can the project. The fan's are dying to see this.
There has to be another reason for it to be cancelled or it was cancelled earlier. Maybe they can't go back using handheld cams after the dolly-shots on Immagine In Cornice?
That' what you call a hit under the belt...
Ha, but I think they secretly like Riot Act (I know I do).
I disagree with that though... if it was filmed, they'll put it out on SOMETHING for sure... maybe combine the 2 nights into one DVD or something. They seem to put out anything they can make money on, and we buy it.
4 words:
Live on Ten Legs.
Listened to it a little more this weekend... NOT the best versions of ANY of those songs over the past 8 years. Any of us here who are addicted to bootlegs could make a better compilation of live songs than what they put out, which, in my opinion, was a hastily assembled release to "kick off" the PJ20 year.
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Since when you have fans?
But yes I would do it too just to see the fans happy
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
I want a dvd of stuff theyre happy and proud to release.
The Philly shows, while fun, were all rather sloppy by most accounts, our boys were having lots of fun but weren't exactly top of their game owing to the laughs they were having and all the fun being had.
It'll be Berlin 09/2010 that's getting released. Hence the boot missing from 10c. And rightly so. 2 of the best, if not the best shows i've ever seen Pj play on every level.
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Neither did i but tadaaah!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRQIEv6mC0
You know I was having this discussion with my wife about Live on Ten Legs because I was like "Oh well, I think the version of In Hiding from the Vic should be on there, and I think the version of Just Breathe from the ACL tv taping should be on there instead" just to name a few. She brought up a good point that a lot of the versions we love, we love for different reasons (Energy, crowd interaction, a certain Mike improvised lick/solo, A certain Ed-ism) then the band, who are a lot more musically trained and know their music a lot better then we do and hear the songs on a completely different level then us. It was different in 98 when LO2L came out and there wasn't great recordings of that tour, those were the definitive live versions of those songs and you'd be hard pressed to find better versions, still to this day. A lot of that is because of the fact there wasn't oodles of bootlegs available like there is now. At any rate, I think you're making the mistake I did when I first listened to LOXL and mistaking "best" with "favorite", the more I listen to it the more I respect some of the decisions there. Alive has absolutely re-kindled my love for that song, that version is incendiary. SOLAT is absolutely FLAWLESS and RVM has to be one of the best versions of that song I have ever heard. In Hiding and Animal are also awesome versions. You know the band listened to the crap out of those songs and had plenty of discussion on why or why a certain version should be on there or not be on there.
My biggest beef now is the lack of some of their best live songs. Where is Lukin? Not for You? Insignificance? Red Mosquito with Ben Harper on slide guitar? Indifference with Ben Harper? Rockin' in the Free World? Why Go?
You get the point, I would take those over Unthought Known (not the greatest version), Jeremy (Again, really?) etc
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I think that I remember hearing Pierre Robert talking about them filming parts of the Spectrum shows for the Cameron Crowe doc. He actually went out to Seattle to talk to Crowe, but I never did hear what it was about officially.
Not sure if that sheds any more light on this whole thing.
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
That was for the Andy Wood documentary.
Were they a tad sloppier than the average PJ show? Maybe. Were they the epic flub-fests people seem to think they were? Absolutely not.
Philly 1 and 4 (2009)
Newark (2010)
MSG 1 (2010)
Toronto 1 and 2 (2011)
Brooklyn 1 and 2 (2013)
Philly 2 (2013)
Greenville (2016)
Columbia (2016)
MSG 2 (2016)
Fenway 2 (2016)
EV NJPAC (2022)
MSG (2022)
Denver (2022)
ahhh. Thank you sir!
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
Yea, its ridiculous ain't it? Maybe some of the HATE has to do that they didn't play 4 concerts in their city? Hell, if those shows were so SLOPPY, i/we should stop seeing them. But then again, they were only sloppy because they weren't ther? We can't forget that the show that THEY were at, was the BEST EVER. But, thats not a bad thing, as that just goes to show you, how GREAT of a band PEARL JAM is.
Would like an official DVD Spectrum release, but i'll take any official DVD release>
yea anyone who was at any of those shows isnt complaining too much. i only wish id gotten into town for the first two shows as well! personally i loved them haha dont know what people complain about! dont buy the dvd then, i fucking sure as hell will be
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NYC 5/2/2016
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRQIEv6mC0[/quote]
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I'm looking to buy a single ticket to Ed's Sydney Opera House show, PM me if you've got a spare! I don't care where the seat is!
Me too. Can't wait to see the first ever "official" Pearl Jam Bluray concert. *drools
Philly 1 and 4 (2009)
Newark (2010)
MSG 1 (2010)
Toronto 1 and 2 (2011)
Brooklyn 1 and 2 (2013)
Philly 2 (2013)
Greenville (2016)
Columbia (2016)
MSG 2 (2016)
Fenway 2 (2016)
EV NJPAC (2022)
MSG (2022)
Denver (2022)
makes no sense, unless it's valid, hmmm