Why does the constitution matter?

Moonpig

unsung wrote:

BH304897 wrote:

.."A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Once again I would argue that in 2011 a well regulated militia is not neccessary to the security of our free state. Doesn't seem black and white to me.

Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?

I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.

Another discussion about right to bear arms, and yet again the Nazi's come up :roll: , and what, oh what is this ingrained fear that the government is something to be protected against, with guns. You people freak me out

unsung

WE THE PEOPLE, are to be served by elected officials, not controlled by them.

fife

I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.

unsung

fife wrote:

I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.

Now that I can agree with. I'm for trying politicians for perjury if they vote for bills that are against the Constitution. They took an oath.

mikepegg44

fife wrote:

I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.

but what you are talking about is the beauty of the constitution. It was created by the founders with the knowledge it wasn't perfect. The constitution has a process with which amendments can be made. So in essence if you are against changes ever being made to the document than you are against the document itself...but until changes are made that say otherwise, ALL laws should have to follow the constitution.

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

WE THE PEOPLE, are to be served by elected officials, not controlled by them.

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Yes... that is true. But, when We, The People elect someone based upon the fact that there is a (D) or an (R) next to their name... well, then We, The People get exactly the government we deserve.

know1

Cosmo wrote:

unsung wrote:

WE THE PEOPLE, are to be served by elected officials, not controlled by them.

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Yes... that is true. But, when We, The People elect someone based upon the fact that there is a (D) or an (R) next to their name... well, then We, The People get exactly the government we deserve.

Agreed.

I'm waiting for the someone with a (T) beside there name and it's not the Tea Party. I'm waiting to back the Term Limit party.

eddiec

unsung wrote:

fife wrote:

I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.

??What??
In the history of the United States there have only been 27 amendments to the constitution. And ten of those 27 are the bill of rights. So that leaves 17. Who's making all these changes?

he still stands

mikepegg44 wrote:

...but until changes are made that say otherwise, ALL laws should have to follow the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_amendment

mikepegg44

he still stands wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

...but until changes are made that say otherwise, ALL laws should have to follow the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_amendment

not sure what you are getting at, if you are saying the 10th amendment is the most important I would completely agree with you.

he still stands

mikepegg44 wrote:

he still stands wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

...but until changes are made that say otherwise, ALL laws should have to follow the constitution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_amendment

not sure what you are getting at, if you are saying the 10th amendment is the most important I would completely agree with you.

no, I think the 1st amendment is unequivocally the most important. You said

ALL laws should have to follow the constitution

so I was just pointing out that the constitution explicity says that not all laws have to follow the constitution. The consitution doesn't contain any language about many things, which is great. It allows the states to retain their freedom and sovereignty so that if you value things like; freedom, open-mindedness, small government, and retain the right that the state can't do a search/seizure of the contents of your bladder - you can move to Colorado, Arizona or California. If you value a police state, protectionism, bigotry, laws for pretty much anything you can think of etc - you can move to Pennsylvania or most other states.

WaveCameCrashin

I can't imagine what this country would be like without it. IMO it's the only thing that's stopping politicians and faceless beuracrats from infringing on every aspect of our personal lives. And how some of these politicians like this woman who took an oath and swore to defend say things like this blows my mind. :crazy: :wtf:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... ional.html



Not trying to be partisan on this subject bcos there are some R's who have said and done pleanty that are unconstituional. This just happens to be the latest.


one more...
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rep ... ss-and-14t

mikepegg44

he still stands wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

he still stands wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_amendment

not sure what you are getting at, if you are saying the 10th amendment is the most important I would completely agree with you.

no, I think the 1st amendment is unequivocally the most important. You said

ALL laws should have to follow the constitution

so I was just pointing out that the constitution explicity says that not all laws have to follow the constitution. The consitution doesn't contain any language about many things, which is great. It allows the states to retain their freedom and sovereignty so that if you value things like; freedom, open-mindedness, small government, and retain the right that the state can't do a search/seizure of the contents of your bladder - you can move to Colorado, Arizona or California. If you value a police state, protectionism, bigotry, laws for pretty much anything you can think of etc - you can move to Pennsylvania or most other states.

ahhh I see...what I was no laws should be made that violate what the constitution says...I should have worded it differently...I am a firm believer in states rights

lukin2006

eddiec wrote:

unsung wrote:

fife wrote:

I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.

??What??
In the history of the United States there have only been 27 amendments to the constitution. And ten of those 27 are the bill of rights. So that leaves 17. Who's making all these changes?

Isn't that the good thing about your constitution, the fact that it can be changed but not very easily.

Jason P

lukin2006 wrote:

Isn't that the good thing about your constitution, the fact that it can be changed but not very easily.

I believe it is a good thing. It prevents Democrats / Republicans from re-writing the rules to maximize their power when they control the three branches of government.