Problem being the extreme amount of non registered guns being used in this country, which I would imagine is a high % of crimes. Most registered gun owners probably aren't commiting crimes with them, but that doesn't mean someone else isn't or that there not responsible for accidental deaths.
What I would like to see is fingerprint analyzers attached to weapons as a security measure. That in order to fire any weapon, a fingerprint is necessary. This would then be stored on a chip and can be accessed when a crime is committed and the weapon retrieved. Cost effective...probably not, but an interesting way to promote gun security.
This is what i've been saying for days around here. I totally agree. It would be expensive at first, but you combine that with some kind of tracking (OnStar) type device and guns that are manufactured from here on out will be much less likely to end up in the wrong hands.
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Doesn't the Second Amendment create a well regulated militia of citizens... for the security of a Free State?
Back in the 1700s, the armed forces were British Soldiers, not colonists. They were under the order of the colonial govenors, appointed by the King of England to provide security for the American colonies.
There's a reason why the First Amendment is First, the Second Amendment, second. Both were high priority in the late 1700s. The colonies were under the direction of the Crown of England, speaking out against the King or the Church of England was not allowed to and the security was enforced by the British Army. There's also a reason why the Third Amendment is placed where it is. The army could commandeer your home to house and quarter their troops and there wasn't anything you could do about it.
yep. Even if I only use my gun for pounding nails, it is there in black and white...no law shall be passed to infringe upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms. I am not here to support the 2nd amendment at all, just provide what the constitution actually says. You can debate the merit of the 2nd amendment all you want, you will get very little argument from me. I love having my guns, I use them the legal way, why shouldn't I be allowed to have them? but if the feds and the states get together and ratify an amendment that takes them away, I will be the first in line to give them back
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I'm a firm believer in the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment. I don't want to take anyone's guns away.
But, i believe in responsible ownership and use of guns. Like you said, you can use your loaded gun to hammer in nails... as long as you don't do it around me (or anyone else).
The Second Amendment does not allow the right to gun ownership to be infringed, but it does not guarantee you the right to build your own army. Thus, you cannot own a functioning 105mm Howitzer or an operational M-1A1 tank.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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.."A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Once again I would argue that in 2011 a well regulated militia is not neccessary to the security of our free state. Doesn't seem black and white to me.
Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?
I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.
.."A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Once again I would argue that in 2011 a well regulated militia is not neccessary to the security of our free state. Doesn't seem black and white to me.
Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?
I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.
yeah but Hitler wasn't in charge of a democracy...
.."A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Once again I would argue that in 2011 a well regulated militia is not neccessary to the security of our free state. Doesn't seem black and white to me.
Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?
I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.
yeah but Hitler wasn't in charge of a democracy...
Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?
I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.
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Fact Check:
Major changes to the German gun laws occurred in 1928 and 1931 (under the Weimar Republic). The changes in 1928 and 1931 were designed to disarm the Nazis and Communists and therefore it is doubtful that Hitler would trumpet the success of any law aimed at his goon squads.
In 1938 (under the Nazi’s), The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938. When the Nazis enacted their law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews and non-citizens, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits. Later that year, after "Kristallnacht," Hitler forbade Jews to possess pretty much any weapons.
The German people were already under the influence of Hitler and allowed to keep their weapons. Unless, of course, you were Jewish (or Slavic or Turkish or not a legal citizen).
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
.."A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Once again I would argue that in 2011 a well regulated militia is not neccessary to the security of our free state. Doesn't seem black and white to me.
Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?
I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.
if you're talking about the OP, he said he was discussing it with a friend and just wanted to know what other people though about the constitution. Its just a discussion, I wouldnt just assume they dont know the importance.
.."A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Once again I would argue that in 2011 a well regulated militia is not neccessary to the security of our free state. Doesn't seem black and white to me.
Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?
I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.
Another discussion about right to bear arms, and yet again the Nazi's come up :roll: , and what, oh what is this ingrained fear that the government is something to be protected against, with guns. You people freak me out
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WE THE PEOPLE, are to be served by elected officials, not controlled by them.
I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.
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I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.
Now that I can agree with. I'm for trying politicians for perjury if they vote for bills that are against the Constitution. They took an oath.
I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.
but what you are talking about is the beauty of the constitution. It was created by the founders with the knowledge it wasn't perfect. The constitution has a process with which amendments can be made. So in essence if you are against changes ever being made to the document than you are against the document itself...but until changes are made that say otherwise, ALL laws should have to follow the constitution.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
WE THE PEOPLE, are to be served by elected officials, not controlled by them.
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Yes... that is true. But, when We, The People elect someone based upon the fact that there is a (D) or an (R) next to their name... well, then We, The People get exactly the government we deserve.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
WE THE PEOPLE, are to be served by elected officials, not controlled by them.
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Yes... that is true. But, when We, The People elect someone based upon the fact that there is a (D) or an (R) next to their name... well, then We, The People get exactly the government we deserve.
Agreed.
I'm waiting for the someone with a (T) beside there name and it's not the Tea Party. I'm waiting to back the Term Limit party.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.
??What??
In the history of the United States there have only been 27 amendments to the constitution. And ten of those 27 are the bill of rights. So that leaves 17. Who's making all these changes?
not sure what you are getting at, if you are saying the 10th amendment is the most important I would completely agree with you.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
not sure what you are getting at, if you are saying the 10th amendment is the most important I would completely agree with you.
no, I think the 1st amendment is unequivocally the most important. You said
ALL laws should have to follow the constitution
so I was just pointing out that the constitution explicity says that not all laws have to follow the constitution. The consitution doesn't contain any language about many things, which is great. It allows the states to retain their freedom and sovereignty so that if you value things like; freedom, open-mindedness, small government, and retain the right that the state can't do a search/seizure of the contents of your bladder - you can move to Colorado, Arizona or California. If you value a police state, protectionism, bigotry, laws for pretty much anything you can think of etc - you can move to Pennsylvania or most other states.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
I can't imagine what this country would be like without it. IMO it's the only thing that's stopping politicians and faceless beuracrats from infringing on every aspect of our personal lives. And how some of these politicians like this woman who took an oath and swore to defend say things like this blows my mind. :crazy: :wtf:
Not trying to be partisan on this subject bcos there are some R's who have said and done pleanty that are unconstituional. This just happens to be the latest.
not sure what you are getting at, if you are saying the 10th amendment is the most important I would completely agree with you.
no, I think the 1st amendment is unequivocally the most important. You said
ALL laws should have to follow the constitution
so I was just pointing out that the constitution explicity says that not all laws have to follow the constitution. The consitution doesn't contain any language about many things, which is great. It allows the states to retain their freedom and sovereignty so that if you value things like; freedom, open-mindedness, small government, and retain the right that the state can't do a search/seizure of the contents of your bladder - you can move to Colorado, Arizona or California. If you value a police state, protectionism, bigotry, laws for pretty much anything you can think of etc - you can move to Pennsylvania or most other states.
ahhh I see...what I was no laws should be made that violate what the constitution says...I should have worded it differently...I am a firm believer in states rights
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I will state that I don't see why the constitution matters when i see how people have no problem making amendments to it when it fits their belief system and at the same time state that the constitution is a holy document that can't be changed when it doesn't fit their belief system. you can't have it both ways.
??What??
In the history of the United States there have only been 27 amendments to the constitution. And ten of those 27 are the bill of rights. So that leaves 17. Who's making all these changes?
Isn't that the good thing about your constitution, the fact that it can be changed but not very easily.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Isn't that the good thing about your constitution, the fact that it can be changed but not very easily.
I believe it is a good thing. It prevents Democrats / Republicans from re-writing the rules to maximize their power when they control the three branches of government.
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This is what i've been saying for days around here. I totally agree. It would be expensive at first, but you combine that with some kind of tracking (OnStar) type device and guns that are manufactured from here on out will be much less likely to end up in the wrong hands.
I'm a firm believer in the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment. I don't want to take anyone's guns away.
But, i believe in responsible ownership and use of guns. Like you said, you can use your loaded gun to hammer in nails... as long as you don't do it around me (or anyone else).
The Second Amendment does not allow the right to gun ownership to be infringed, but it does not guarantee you the right to build your own army. Thus, you cannot own a functioning 105mm Howitzer or an operational M-1A1 tank.
Hail, Hail!!!
Hitler disarmed the public. See where that got them?
I can't believe someone asked the importance of the Constitution. It is there to protect the PEOPLE from the GOVERNMENT.
yeah but Hitler wasn't in charge of a democracy...
i thought it was? no?
Fact Check:
Major changes to the German gun laws occurred in 1928 and 1931 (under the Weimar Republic). The changes in 1928 and 1931 were designed to disarm the Nazis and Communists and therefore it is doubtful that Hitler would trumpet the success of any law aimed at his goon squads.
In 1938 (under the Nazi’s), The Nazi Weapons Law (or Waffengesetz) which further restricted the possession of militarily useful weapons and forbade trade in weapons without a government-issued license was passed on March 18, 1938. When the Nazis enacted their law in 1938, they added restrictions aimed at Jews and non-citizens, such as not allowing Jews to work in any business involving guns. They also prohibited those under eighteen from buying guns, added yet another permit for handguns, and banned silencers and small hollow-point ammunition. Of course, Nazi officials were exempted from all gun permits. Later that year, after "Kristallnacht," Hitler forbade Jews to possess pretty much any weapons.
The German people were already under the influence of Hitler and allowed to keep their weapons. Unless, of course, you were Jewish (or Slavic or Turkish or not a legal citizen).
Hail, Hail!!!
:thumbup:
if you're talking about the OP, he said he was discussing it with a friend and just wanted to know what other people though about the constitution. Its just a discussion, I wouldnt just assume they dont know the importance.
I would assume the OP does not know the importance based on, the OP....
Another discussion about right to bear arms, and yet again the Nazi's come up :roll: , and what, oh what is this ingrained fear that the government is something to be protected against, with guns. You people freak me out
Now that I can agree with. I'm for trying politicians for perjury if they vote for bills that are against the Constitution. They took an oath.
but what you are talking about is the beauty of the constitution. It was created by the founders with the knowledge it wasn't perfect. The constitution has a process with which amendments can be made. So in essence if you are against changes ever being made to the document than you are against the document itself...but until changes are made that say otherwise, ALL laws should have to follow the constitution.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Yes... that is true. But, when We, The People elect someone based upon the fact that there is a (D) or an (R) next to their name... well, then We, The People get exactly the government we deserve.
Hail, Hail!!!
Agreed.
I'm waiting for the someone with a (T) beside there name and it's not the Tea Party. I'm waiting to back the Term Limit party.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
??What??
In the history of the United States there have only been 27 amendments to the constitution. And ten of those 27 are the bill of rights. So that leaves 17. Who's making all these changes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10th_amendment
not sure what you are getting at, if you are saying the 10th amendment is the most important I would completely agree with you.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
no, I think the 1st amendment is unequivocally the most important. You said so I was just pointing out that the constitution explicity says that not all laws have to follow the constitution. The consitution doesn't contain any language about many things, which is great. It allows the states to retain their freedom and sovereignty so that if you value things like; freedom, open-mindedness, small government, and retain the right that the state can't do a search/seizure of the contents of your bladder - you can move to Colorado, Arizona or California. If you value a police state, protectionism, bigotry, laws for pretty much anything you can think of etc - you can move to Pennsylvania or most other states.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... ional.html
Not trying to be partisan on this subject bcos there are some R's who have said and done pleanty that are unconstituional. This just happens to be the latest.
one more...
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rep ... ss-and-14t
ahhh I see...what I was no laws should be made that violate what the constitution says...I should have worded it differently...I am a firm believer in states rights
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Isn't that the good thing about your constitution, the fact that it can be changed but not very easily.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon