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What size venue's should Pearl Jam play from now on?

FitzFitz Posts: 169
edited January 2008 in The Porch
Just picked up something from another thread about not filling some 20-30000 seated arena's and just wondered what size venue's the boys should be playing from now on. Obviously I would say they are still very popular in the US and definately across Europe, Immagine is proof of that but what venue's do you feel would suit them from now on?

10,000 - 20,000 capacity or smaller?

20,000 - 30,000 capacity or bigger or in between 20 and 30k?
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  • restlesssoulrestlesssoul Posts: 6,951
    obviously i would love to see them at venues like the commodore in vancouver, that are 2,ooo. but they will still pack full concerts easily at the 18,000 mark
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  • TheGossmanTheGossman Posts: 1,120
    in the south there is no way they could fill a 20,000 to 30,000 seat arena, here in Charlotte they'd be lucky to sell 12,000 seats, but the farther south you go the smaller the venues, especially in TX, AL, and LA places like that, but up north they have no problem filling the largest arenas.
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  • writersuwritersu Posts: 1,867
    Fitz wrote:
    Just picked up something from another thread about not filling some 20-30000 seated arena's and just wondered what size venue's the boys should be playing from now on. Obviously I would say they are still very popular in the US and definately across Europe, Immagine is proof of that but what venue's do you feel would suit them from now on?

    10,000 - 20,000 capacity or smaller?

    20,000 - 30,000 capacity or bigger or in between 20 and 30k?



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  • Foxy MopFoxy Mop Posts: 2,823
    The Vic & HoB are two of my favorite shows.. but in there is also the Gorge. Soo.. smaller venues and/or groovy locations!
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  • SENROCKSENROCK Posts: 10,736
    Foxy Mop wrote:
    The Vic & HoB are two of my favorite shows.. but in there is also the Gorge. Soo.. smaller venues and/or groovy locations!
    im with you. i nominate "groovy" locations. The better the venue, the more people will want to fill it!!! :D
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  • laudenumlaudenum Posts: 405
    restlesssoul wrote:
    obviously i would love to see them at venues like the commodore in vancouver, that are 2,ooo. but they will still pack full concerts easily at the 18,000 mark

    the commodore was perfect. not too many,not too few. outstanding acoustics.
    able to eat drink and be merry while watching the band.
    even places like the size of the queen e,ford center(lindsay buckingham was there,nice comfy seats,nice bar,great acoustics)
    it would be nice to play smaller venues. also like the mount baker theater they play the night before the commodore warm up show.
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  • FARAWAY EYESFARAWAY EYES Posts: 24
    Fitz wrote:
    Just picked up something from another thread about not filling some 20-30000 seated arena's and just wondered what size venue's the boys should be playing from now on. Obviously I would say they are still very popular in the US and definately across Europe, Immagine is proof of that but what venue's do you feel would suit them from now on?

    10,000 - 20,000 capacity or smaller?

    20,000 - 30,000 capacity or bigger or in between 20 and 30k?
    The correct answer is 5,000 or less capacity venues except for New York and maybe Chicago.
    The last tour was a sales disaster in North America. Starting off with the Canadian train wreck of a tour. Toronto 2 is a classic example of what this tour was about. Standard setlist,ugly black tarps to block off UNSOLD sections, and a complete lack of interest by so called fans of admittedly sub par, but NEW material. Many shows suffered this humiliation including Pittsburgh Mellon arena and the 2 Gorge shows to name a few. Thousands and thousands of empty seats. The tarrps are brought out and the band gets pissed and delivers a standard subpar setlist.
    Rumor has it, when PJ opened for the Stones in Pittsburgh in '05 the show fell 3,000 people short of a sellout, causing the Stones promoter to go through the roof. He felt that PJ's political pandering turned people away. As a result the Stones were humiliated, and their tour only grossed 500million dollars. (NEW WORLD RECORD)! It could have been more though!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuPwYGlwvY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuPwYGlwvY
  • huck5huck5 Posts: 91
    TheGossman wrote:
    in the south there is no way they could fill a 20,000 to 30,000 seat arena, here in Charlotte they'd be lucky to sell 12,000 seats, but the farther south you go the smaller the venues, especially in TX, AL, and LA places like that, but up north they have no problem filling the largest arenas.

    Pretty sure they had close to 20k in Nashville in 2003.

    Pretty sure they had 20k in Knoxville in 1998.
  • UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    FARAWAY EYES wrote:
    The correct answer is 5,000 or less capacity venues except for New York and maybe Chicago.
    The last tour was a sales disaster in North America. Starting off with the Canadian train wreck of a tour. Toronto 2 is a classic example of what this tour was about. Standard setlist,ugly black tarps to block off UNSOLD sections, and a complete lack of interest by so called fans of admittedly sub par, but NEW material. Many shows suffered this humiliation including Pittsburgh Mellon arena and the 2 Gorge shows to name a few. Thousands and thousands of empty seats. The tarrps are brought out and the band gets pissed and delivers a standard subpar setlist.
    Rumor has it, when PJ opened for the Stones in Pittsburgh in '05 the show fell 3,000 people short of a sellout, causing the Stones promoter to go through the roof. He felt that PJ's political pandering turned people away. As a result the Stones were humiliated, and their tour only grossed 500million dollars. (NEW WORLD RECORD)! It could have been more though!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuPwYGlwvY


    I was at pittsburgh, and it wasnt even close to a sales disaster. 90% percent full arena, crowd was pretty pumped up too. Setlist was great, the entire show was great. What are you smoking?
  • KeiranKeiran Posts: 393
    Somewhere near or in TX that is big enough that I have a chance to get a seat even with my crummy extremely high fan club number!!!!
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  • gleemonexgleemonex Posts: 848
    They broke the attendance record for the MTS Centre in Winnipeg at over 18,000 people. All those tickets sold on the first day they were available and the way the band set up their stage allowed for every seat in the building to be sold. There's no way to top that record unless the building is expanded.
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  • rudiger10rudiger10 Posts: 129
    Corey Erven wrote:
    I was at pittsburgh, and it wasnt even close to a sales disaster. 90% percent full arena, crowd was pretty pumped up too. Setlist was great, the entire show was great. What are you smoking?
    Ignore him, its FARAWAY EYES, he's a huge douche that just wants to rile u up. don't give him that satisfaction
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  • CitizenRickCitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    FARAWAY EYES wrote:
    The correct answer is 5,000 or less capacity venues except for New York and maybe Chicago.
    The last tour was a sales disaster in North America. Starting off with the Canadian train wreck of a tour. Toronto 2 is a classic example of what this tour was about. Standard setlist,ugly black tarps to block off UNSOLD sections, and a complete lack of interest by so called fans of admittedly sub par, but NEW material. Many shows suffered this humiliation including Pittsburgh Mellon arena and the 2 Gorge shows to name a few. Thousands and thousands of empty seats. The tarrps are brought out and the band gets pissed and delivers a standard subpar setlist.
    Rumor has it, when PJ opened for the Stones in Pittsburgh in '05 the show fell 3,000 people short of a sellout, causing the Stones promoter to go through the roof. He felt that PJ's political pandering turned people away. As a result the Stones were humiliated, and their tour only grossed 500million dollars. (NEW WORLD RECORD)! It could have been more though!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuPwYGlwvY

    Boy...nice buzz kill!

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  • NoonieNoonie Posts: 93
    FARAWAY EYES wrote:
    ...bla bla bla... Many shows suffered this humiliation including Pittsburgh ...yadda yadda yadda... the Stones were humiliated


    What is it with you and the word "humiliation"? or maybe I don't want to know.
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  • hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,899
    well I thought the coziness of the VIC was unreal, but I also think the best venue is a size where everyone who wants to see them can. How many people didn't ge into the vic? on the other hand I am not big on massive GA shows either like Lolla was...

    so I guess I don't know.

    if I had to say a range I'd say 5-10K
  • mbangel10mbangel10 Posts: 548
    FARAWAY EYES wrote:
    The correct answer is 5,000 or less capacity venues except for New York and maybe Chicago.
    The last tour was a sales disaster in North America. Starting off with the Canadian train wreck of a tour. Toronto 2 is a classic example of what this tour was about. Standard setlist,ugly black tarps to block off UNSOLD sections, and a complete lack of interest by so called fans of admittedly sub par, but NEW material. Many shows suffered this humiliation including Pittsburgh Mellon arena and the 2 Gorge shows to name a few. Thousands and thousands of empty seats. The tarrps are brought out and the band gets pissed and delivers a standard subpar setlist.
    Rumor has it, when PJ opened for the Stones in Pittsburgh in '05 the show fell 3,000 people short of a sellout, causing the Stones promoter to go through the roof. He felt that PJ's political pandering turned people away. As a result the Stones were humiliated, and their tour only grossed 500million dollars. (NEW WORLD RECORD)! It could have been more though!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuPwYGlwvY

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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,044
    I would've liked to see them play at a Giants Stadium type.
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  • LedbetterusLedbetterus Posts: 592
    igotid88 wrote:
    I would've liked to see them play at a Giants Stadium type.

    ditto that my brother.

    While I LOVE small venues, I would love to see them play in a full stadium. No, NOT Fenway, as there are High School gyms that hold more people than that death trap.

    Giants Stadium would own :D
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 28,044
    Ledbetterus wrote:
    ditto that my brother.

    While I LOVE small venues, I would love to see them play in a full stadium. No, NOT Fenway, as there are High School gyms that hold more people than that death trap.

    Giants Stadium would own :D

    That and/or Central Park.
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  • dannydanny Posts: 2,279
    Fitz wrote:
    Just picked up something from another thread about not filling some 20-30000 seated arena's and just wondered what size venue's the boys should be playing from now on. Obviously I would say they are still very popular in the US and definately across Europe, Immagine is proof of that but what venue's do you feel would suit them from now on?

    10,000 - 20,000 capacity or smaller?

    20,000 - 30,000 capacity or bigger or in between 20 and 30k?


    smaller the better!
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  • CantfindaVeddermanCantfindaVedderman Posts: 16
    "in the south there is no way they could fill a 20,000 to 30,000 seat arena, here in Charlotte they'd be lucky to sell 12,000 seats, but the farther south you go the smaller the venues, especially in TX, AL, and LA places like that, but up north they have no problem filling the largest arenas."


    They actually soldout Verizon Wireless in Charlotte the last two times they were there. Verizon holds just over 19,000 people.

    IMO as long as the sound system is good I dont care how big the crowd is.
  • xkevvxxkevvx Posts: 348
    For me, my main city of seeing them is Philly. I would LOVE to see them at a small place like the Troc or even the Electric Factory, but it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get ticket. I mean, fuck....I had to buy a scalped ticket for the 2005 show at the Wachovia Center.
  • LedbetterusLedbetterus Posts: 592
    xkevvx wrote:
    For me, my main city of seeing them is Philly. I would LOVE to see them at a small place like the Troc or even the Electric Factory, but it would be IMPOSSIBLE to get ticket. I mean, fuck....I had to buy a scalped ticket for the 2005 show at the Wachovia Center.

    Yea I saw them in Camden probably 4 or 5 times now. It's not technically Philly but they seem to love the crowds there. The Electric Factory is awesome, I would give my left ball to see them play there.
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  • xkevvxxkevvx Posts: 348
    Ledbetterus wrote:
    The Electric Factory is awesome, I would give my left ball to see them play there.

    Me too, but you know, being in Philly, and the Northeast in general, it would be sooo hard to get a ticket. I tried SO hard to get Borgata tickets....no dice. I'd imagine this being harder. I'd prefer they stick to big arenas around here, because I'd be sad if they played a place like the Electric Factory and I couldn't go.....
  • rhinomagicrhinomagic Charlottesville, VA Posts: 2,552
    I've said this for several years now:

    Pearl Jam should play large arenas (~20000) in the large metro areas, but when it comes to smaller metro areas or sparsely populated places they need to play college basketball arenas/multipurpose facilities.

    Think about how well the Penn State show turned out in 2003. I'd love to see them barnstorm through the south on college campuses.

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  • JulienJulien Posts: 2,457
    the smallest the venue, the best it is... if you can have a ticket.

    But it's alos incedible to see them in large venues. They played Werchter in 2007 and in front of 50.000 or 60.000 people, this is another experience. I was kind of "proud" to see them there and to see that so many people love them.
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  • ||Release_Me||||Release_Me|| Posts: 1,871
    If they can go somewhere and sell out a 20,000 seat arena then they should definitely keep doing it. I imagine they'll never have a problem selling out Madison Square Garden so they should always play there if they're touring.

    Small venues can be very cool too; the Astoria felt so imtimate yet a little bit insane at the same time. The intimacy made everyone there feel super special, and its hard to forget that kind of feeling.

    On the other hand, i was in Nijmegen when there was over 30,000 people and that felt wonderful. To know that so many people turned up to see one band makes me feel so good. And it still felt like the band was communicating with every single person there.
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  • patrickredeyespatrickredeyes Posts: 8,834
    Oh how about a place that can hold say 25,000 to 30,000 fans. Like ALPINE VALLEY. :D



    Yea the Gorge is amazing but Alpine is where I'd rather be for a outdoor show. :)
  • FARAWAY EYESFARAWAY EYES Posts: 24
    CitizenRick wrote:

    I'm not sure this is all completly factual.
    100% CONFIRMED!
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuPwYGlwvY
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