legalize pot ?

Godfather.

As much as it pains me to admit this....You guys are right,legalizing pot would eliminate a lot of problems and cut spending, I was watching the history channel...$600 billion has been spent on the war on drugs sense 1976 or so not to mention we are inviting the cartels right in to our neighborhoods ....FUCK !!!!!!!!!.
I know I know ...you guys have a good point Im just very anti drugs of any kind.....FUCK !!!!!!

Godfather.

BinauralJam

keeponrockin

Here's the thing. I think weed can be enjoyed safely. Like my grandmother says about cookies.. Anything in moderation. I don't think one should be stoned daily, but if one smokes on occasion like one would drink, it can be a pretty okay thing.

BLACK35

keeponrockin wrote:

Here's the thing. I think weed can be enjoyed safely. Like my grandmother says about cookies.. Anything in moderation. I don't think one should be stoned daily, but if one smokes on occasion like one would drink, it can be a pretty okay thing.

+1

he still stands

that's all fine... but let's start the argument where it needs to start: IT IS MY FUCKING BODY AND I CAN DO WITH IT HOW I PLEASE. If I don't even own this dirty piece of flesh I call my body, what the hell do I own? The government's position that they can search my bladder is so farcical I can't believe anyone would ever support it.

As far as $600 billion... it has to be more than that. Did you know that the US has DEA offices in like 70 or 80 foreign countries? (thanks Wikileaks)

VINNY GOOMBA

he still stands wrote:

that's all fine... but let's start the argument where it needs to start: IT IS MY FUCKING BODY AND I CAN DO WITH IT HOW I PLEASE. If I don't even own this dirty piece of flesh I call my body, what the hell do I own? The government's position that they can search my bladder is so farcical I can't believe anyone would ever support it.

Damn straight, quoted for truth. It's such a basic principle that's unbelievably overlooked.

Nothingman54

Godfather. wrote:

As much as it pains me to admit this....You guys are right,legalizing pot would eliminate a lot of problems and cut spending, I was watching the history channel...$600 billion has been spent on the war on drugs sense 1976 or so not to mention we are inviting the cartels right in to our neighborhoods ....FUCK !!!!!!!!!.
I know I know ...you guys have a good point Im just very anti drugs of any kind.....FUCK !!!!!!

Godfather.

Lol. Just because the government calls something a "drug" and is against the law dosent make it a drug or wrong. I hear about more deaths involving pills than anything else. Weed is great. Legalizing it nation wide would create jobs, bring in billions a year, create safer communities cause you wouldn't need to drive to the bad parts of town to get it. Although I could see robberies happening at the weed selling places and people getting robbed coming out of the places. The benefits are worth legalizing it. 420!!!! Godfather this buds for you......

Godfather.

Nothingman54 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

As much as it pains me to admit this....You guys are right,legalizing pot would eliminate a lot of problems and cut spending, I was watching the history channel...$600 billion has been spent on the war on drugs sense 1976 or so not to mention we are inviting the cartels right in to our neighborhoods ....FUCK !!!!!!!!!.
I know I know ...you guys have a good point Im just very anti drugs of any kind.....FUCK !!!!!!

Godfather.

Lol. Just because the government calls something a "drug" and is against the law dosent make it a drug or wrong. I hear about more deaths involving pills than anything else. Weed is great. Legalizing it nation wide would create jobs, bring in billions a year, create safer communities cause you wouldn't need to drive to the bad parts of town to get it. Although I could see robberies happening at the weed selling places and people getting robbed coming out of the places. The benefits are worth legalizing it. 420!!!! Godfather this buds for you......

....a long time ago.

Godfather.

Nothingman54

I'm hungry now....legalizing it would also help the food industry. :-)

mickeyrat

Nothingman54 wrote:

I'm hungry now....legalizing it would also help the junk food industry. :-)

fixed

LikeAnOcean

I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.

keeponrockin

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.

Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.

Pepe Silvia

keeponrockin wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.

Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.

there was a quote in kevin booth's documentary 'american drug war' of, i think, the netherlands minister of health that they had succeeded in making pot boring and it says they have a lower % of youths smoking pot and a lower % of people using hard drugs.

MotoDC

keeponrockin wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.

Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.

I don't know where I stand on the issue, but this is ridiculous and frankly counterproductive to the legalization argument. Innumberable people are tested regularly by the companies they work for...you don't think many of them would start smoking/eating/whatever weed if it became legal? Also, you equate weed to heroin in your analogy; like it or not the "it's my body" tagline will never fly with hard drugs like that, so I'd think you'd want to separate the two.

MotoDC

Pepe Silvia wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.

Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.

there was a quote in kevin booth's documentary 'american drug war' of, i think, the netherlands minister of health that they had succeeded in making pot boring and it says they have a lower % of youths smoking pot and a lower % of people using hard drugs.

This makes more sense to me, namely, that legalization might reduce the allure of the drug for minors, but I'm still not sure I'm buying that for America. Does the fact that alcohol is legal make drunk teens less likely? Certainly didn't seem like it at my high school. haha

edit: holy fuck I think I just agreed with Pepe. 2011 is going to be a strange year...

SPEEDY MCCREADY

Legalize it here in America....
Let the government tax it and control it just like tobacco.....

Let the government charge $800 an ounce.....

And if you get caught buying it from your friend down the street???
$10,000 fine, 6 months probation....

2nd offense???
1 Year prison......

You want the government to legalize pot???
Im all for it....

Flagg

LikeAnOcean wrote:

I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.

If I am not mistaken, many of the tea partiers are for legalization based on that argument.

Flagg

Oh, and I am also for legalization, if only because of the ridiculous amount of money wasted on enforcement and incarceration because of a plant.

eyedclaar

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Legalize it here in America....
Let the government tax it and control it just like tobacco.....

Let the government charge $800 an ounce.....

And if you get caught buying it from your friend down the street???
$10,000 fine, 6 months probation....

2nd offense???
1 Year prison......

You want the government to legalize pot???
Im all for it....

Are we playing the "Let's pull logic and numbers out of our ass" game? Are you drunk again, Speedy? Ahhh, alcohol, good ol' harmless alcohol. Can't we all just go back to advocating that?

MotoDC

eyedclaar wrote:

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Legalize it here in America....
Let the government tax it and control it just like tobacco.....

Let the government charge $800 an ounce.....

And if you get caught buying it from your friend down the street???
$10,000 fine, 6 months probation....

2nd offense???
1 Year prison......

You want the government to legalize pot???
Im all for it....

Are we playing the "Let's pull logic and numbers out of our ass" game? Are you drunk again, Speedy? Ahhh, alcohol, good ol' harmless alcohol. Can't we all just go back to advocating that?

Perhaps I misunderstood him, but I think he was making a comparison between the current state of alcohol legislation and the potential state of marijuana legislation. That is, what will happen to the pot market if and when the gov't gets ahold of it. Specifically, whether the fairly strict licensing that most states require in order to sell alcohol will be mirrored for pot (which of course they will, and I think even more stringently).

It's just funny to listen to pot smokers daydream about the day that pot is legal as if we'll all be running around in the streets, selling and buying joints at crazy discount prices to/from whomever we please.

eyedclaar

MotoDC wrote:

Perhaps I misunderstood him, but I think he was making a comparison between the current state of alcohol legislation and the potential state of marijuana legislation. That is, what will happen to the pot market if and when the gov't gets ahold of it. Specifically, whether the fairly strict licensing that most states require in order to sell alcohol will be mirrored for pot (which of course they will, and I think even more stringently).

It's just funny to listen to pot smokers daydream about the day that pot is legal as if we'll all be running around in the streets, selling and buying joints at crazy discount prices to/from whomever we please.

I think it's pure speculation at this point what it would look like, but that's IF we're ever smart enough to make it happen in the first place.