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Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
edited April 2011 in A Moving Train
As much as it pains me to admit this....You guys are right,legalizing pot would eliminate a lot of problems and cut spending, I was watching the history channel...$600 billion has been spent on the war on drugs sense 1976 or so not to mention we are inviting the cartels right in to our neighborhoods ....FUCK !!!!!!!!!.
I know I know ...you guys have a good point Im just very anti drugs of any kind.....FUCK !!!!!!

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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
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  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    Here's the thing. I think weed can be enjoyed safely. Like my grandmother says about cookies.. Anything in moderation. I don't think one should be stoned daily, but if one smokes on occasion like one would drink, it can be a pretty okay thing.
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  • BLACK35BLACK35 Hanover, Ontario Posts: 22,853
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Here's the thing. I think weed can be enjoyed safely. Like my grandmother says about cookies.. Anything in moderation. I don't think one should be stoned daily, but if one smokes on occasion like one would drink, it can be a pretty okay thing.

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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    that's all fine... but let's start the argument where it needs to start: IT IS MY FUCKING BODY AND I CAN DO WITH IT HOW I PLEASE. If I don't even own this dirty piece of flesh I call my body, what the hell do I own? The government's position that they can search my bladder is so farcical I can't believe anyone would ever support it.

    As far as $600 billion... it has to be more than that. Did you know that the US has DEA offices in like 70 or 80 foreign countries? (thanks Wikileaks)
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  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,819
    he still stands wrote:
    that's all fine... but let's start the argument where it needs to start: IT IS MY FUCKING BODY AND I CAN DO WITH IT HOW I PLEASE. If I don't even own this dirty piece of flesh I call my body, what the hell do I own? The government's position that they can search my bladder is so farcical I can't believe anyone would ever support it.
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    Godfather. wrote:
    As much as it pains me to admit this....You guys are right,legalizing pot would eliminate a lot of problems and cut spending, I was watching the history channel...$600 billion has been spent on the war on drugs sense 1976 or so not to mention we are inviting the cartels right in to our neighborhoods ....FUCK !!!!!!!!!.
    I know I know ...you guys have a good point Im just very anti drugs of any kind.....FUCK !!!!!!

    Godfather.

    Lol. Just because the government calls something a "drug" and is against the law dosent make it a drug or wrong. I hear about more deaths involving pills than anything else. Weed is great. Legalizing it nation wide would create jobs, bring in billions a year, create safer communities cause you wouldn't need to drive to the bad parts of town to get it. Although I could see robberies happening at the weed selling places and people getting robbed coming out of the places. The benefits are worth legalizing it. 420!!!! Godfather this buds for you......
    I'll be back
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    As much as it pains me to admit this....You guys are right,legalizing pot would eliminate a lot of problems and cut spending, I was watching the history channel...$600 billion has been spent on the war on drugs sense 1976 or so not to mention we are inviting the cartels right in to our neighborhoods ....FUCK !!!!!!!!!.
    I know I know ...you guys have a good point Im just very anti drugs of any kind.....FUCK !!!!!!

    Godfather.

    Lol. Just because the government calls something a "drug" and is against the law dosent make it a drug or wrong. I hear about more deaths involving pills than anything else. Weed is great. Legalizing it nation wide would create jobs, bring in billions a year, create safer communities cause you wouldn't need to drive to the bad parts of town to get it. Although I could see robberies happening at the weed selling places and people getting robbed coming out of the places. The benefits are worth legalizing it. 420!!!! Godfather this buds for you......
    :lol: ....a long time ago.

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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    I'm hungry now....legalizing it would also help the food industry. :-)
    I'll be back
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 41,902
    Nothingman54 wrote:
    I'm hungry now....legalizing it would also help the junk food industry. :-)
    fixed :mrgreen:
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.
    Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    keeponrockin wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.
    Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.


    there was a quote in kevin booth's documentary 'american drug war' of, i think, the netherlands minister of health that they had succeeded in making pot boring and it says they have a lower % of youths smoking pot and a lower % of people using hard drugs.
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    keeponrockin wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.
    Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.
    I don't know where I stand on the issue, but this is ridiculous and frankly counterproductive to the legalization argument. Innumberable people are tested regularly by the companies they work for...you don't think many of them would start smoking/eating/whatever weed if it became legal? Also, you equate weed to heroin in your analogy; like it or not the "it's my body" tagline will never fly with hard drugs like that, so I'd think you'd want to separate the two.
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.
    Exactly. I don't think you'd see more usage either. If they legalized heroin tomorrow, it wouldn't make me want to try it more.


    there was a quote in kevin booth's documentary 'american drug war' of, i think, the netherlands minister of health that they had succeeded in making pot boring and it says they have a lower % of youths smoking pot and a lower % of people using hard drugs.
    This makes more sense to me, namely, that legalization might reduce the allure of the drug for minors, but I'm still not sure I'm buying that for America. Does the fact that alcohol is legal make drunk teens less likely? Certainly didn't seem like it at my high school. haha

    edit: holy fuck I think I just agreed with Pepe. 2011 is going to be a strange year... :lol:
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,880
    Legalize it here in America....
    Let the government tax it and control it just like tobacco.....

    Let the government charge $800 an ounce.....

    And if you get caught buying it from your friend down the street???
    $10,000 fine, 6 months probation....

    2nd offense???
    1 Year prison......

    You want the government to legalize pot???
    Im all for it....
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  • FlaggFlagg Posts: 5,856
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    I'm surprised most male conservatives aren't for drug legalization. Even way back when when I called myself a conservative I was for legalization.. I guess that's why I'm more of a Libertarian now. Self control and personal responsibility should dictate what I put in my body, not the government.

    If I am not mistaken, many of the tea partiers are for legalization based on that argument.
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    Oh, and I am also for legalization, if only because of the ridiculous amount of money wasted on enforcement and incarceration because of a plant.
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  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Legalize it here in America....
    Let the government tax it and control it just like tobacco.....

    Let the government charge $800 an ounce.....

    And if you get caught buying it from your friend down the street???
    $10,000 fine, 6 months probation....

    2nd offense???
    1 Year prison......

    You want the government to legalize pot???
    Im all for it....

    Are we playing the "Let's pull logic and numbers out of our ass" game? Are you drunk again, Speedy? Ahhh, alcohol, good ol' harmless alcohol. Can't we all just go back to advocating that?
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  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    eyedclaar wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Legalize it here in America....
    Let the government tax it and control it just like tobacco.....

    Let the government charge $800 an ounce.....

    And if you get caught buying it from your friend down the street???
    $10,000 fine, 6 months probation....

    2nd offense???
    1 Year prison......

    You want the government to legalize pot???
    Im all for it....

    Are we playing the "Let's pull logic and numbers out of our ass" game? Are you drunk again, Speedy? Ahhh, alcohol, good ol' harmless alcohol. Can't we all just go back to advocating that?
    Perhaps I misunderstood him, but I think he was making a comparison between the current state of alcohol legislation and the potential state of marijuana legislation. That is, what will happen to the pot market if and when the gov't gets ahold of it. Specifically, whether the fairly strict licensing that most states require in order to sell alcohol will be mirrored for pot (which of course they will, and I think even more stringently).

    It's just funny to listen to pot smokers daydream about the day that pot is legal as if we'll all be running around in the streets, selling and buying joints at crazy discount prices to/from whomever we please.
  • eyedclaareyedclaar Posts: 6,980
    MotoDC wrote:
    Perhaps I misunderstood him, but I think he was making a comparison between the current state of alcohol legislation and the potential state of marijuana legislation. That is, what will happen to the pot market if and when the gov't gets ahold of it. Specifically, whether the fairly strict licensing that most states require in order to sell alcohol will be mirrored for pot (which of course they will, and I think even more stringently).

    It's just funny to listen to pot smokers daydream about the day that pot is legal as if we'll all be running around in the streets, selling and buying joints at crazy discount prices to/from whomever we please.

    I think it's pure speculation at this point what it would look like, but that's IF we're ever smart enough to make it happen in the first place.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Flagg wrote:
    Oh, and I am also for legalization, if only because of the ridiculous amount of money wasted on enforcement and incarceration because of a plant.

    +1

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  • LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Not sure how I feel about legalising it. I have just seen sooooo many young guys who I went to school with get serious mental issues as a result from smoking way too much weed like bipolar and schizophrenia. Anyone that says that it doesn't effect people are kidding themselves. Even 2 people our family have manic depression/schizophrenia caused by smoking way too much pot! I would be lying if I said I have never smoked it, I used to alot and even I have epilepsy?? Was it caused by it? Who knows? But it did occur only months after giving it up??? I just don't want to know that it's legal for some little punk to give my little one dope.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Loulou wrote:
    Not sure how I feel about legalising it. I have just seen sooooo many young guys who I went to school with get serious mental issues as a result from smoking way too much weed like bipolar and schizophrenia. Anyone that says that it doesn't effect people are kidding themselves. Even 2 people our family have manic depression/schizophrenia caused by smoking way too much pot! I would be lying if I said I have never smoked it, I used to alot and even I have epilepsy?? Was it caused by it? Who knows? But it did occur only months after giving it up??? I just don't want to know that it's legal for some little punk to give my little one dope.


    You could apply alot of what your saying to alcohol as well, Not saying you don't make good points.
  • LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Yeah, I completely agree. In fact there are more alcohol related deaths than drug related supposedly? I know many people who drink morning,noon and night and their bodies have been ravaged. I think they should be doing something about that too, cigarettes are bullshit too but the government make too much money from them to ban it.
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Loulou wrote:
    Not sure how I feel about legalising it. I have just seen sooooo many young guys who I went to school with get serious mental issues as a result from smoking way too much weed like bipolar and schizophrenia. Anyone that says that it doesn't effect people are kidding themselves. Even 2 people our family have manic depression/schizophrenia caused by smoking way too much pot! I would be lying if I said I have never smoked it, I used to alot and even I have epilepsy?? Was it caused by it? Who knows? But it did occur only months after giving it up??? I just don't want to know that it's legal for some little punk to give my little one dope.


    You could apply alot of what your saying to alcohol as well, Not saying you don't make good points.
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  • your move nowyour move now Posts: 1,165
    I'm not up to fate with the drug laws in the states. but surely the first step, assuming it hasnt already been taken would be to decriminilise posession.
    I don't mean to offend anyone, a lot of what I say should be taken with a grain of salt... that said for most of you I'm a stranger on a computer on the other side of the world, don't give me that sort of power!
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    your_move_now wrote:
    I'm not up to fate with the drug laws in the states. but surely the first step, assuming it hasnt already been taken would be to decriminilise posession.
    See this just goes to show how light I am on the legal facts here. What besides decriminalizing possession needs to happen? Once I can possess it, what else do I care about? Distribution? Or is "possessing" not the same as "consuming"? That is, I can own a joint, but if I get caught by the cops while I'm high, I'm in trouble?
    loulou wrote:
    Yeah, I completely agree. In fact there are more alcohol related deaths than drug related supposedly?
    No doubt there are significantly more alcohol related deaths than drug-related deaths, but the more telling statistic would be a death-per-user number, which might be hard to come up with due to under-reporting of use.
  • LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    Yeah that's true. I mean if I was still smoking and I didn't have a baby I would be like "Yeah man, decriminalise!!!!" but I do and your priorities change to what it best for your children. Dope is dangerous, especially for young boys. I went to school with this one boy, he was healthy as an ox, played footy and was top of the class in most of our subjects. After school, he got into smoking dope on a regular basis (I was told through friends) and I saw him a couple of years later and I couldn't believe it, he had lost the plot and was talking to himself.
    Now, I know this is just one story but he's not the only one this happened to. The family member of mine that that went through a psychosis too, met yet another 2 young boys we went to school with in the Mental Home he was taken too. It's more common than what most people think. I know there were days when this family member couldn't score any or didn't have the money for it and had to go without. If it was legal, it would be more accessible and less expensive and he would have been able to smoke even more often.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Talking to yourself isnt that bad, it's when you start arguing with yourself, you might have a problem.
  • LoulouLoulou Adelaide Posts: 6,247
    BinauralJam wrote:
    Talking to yourself isnt that bad, it's when you start arguing with yourself, you might have a problem.
    :lol::lol::lol: In seriuosness though, if you have ever been around someone who is going through a psychosis, it's really quite freaky, saying there's people watching them, their food is poisoned, laughing hysterically at random things and this was someone who was living with my husband and I at the time.
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  • pjfan021pjfan021 Posts: 684
    legalize it!

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