The sky is falling......bullcrap !

Electric_Delta

chickweed wrote:

denying global warming is an equivalent to saying the sky is falling
i remember gwbushwackadoodle only denying that industry was partially responsible
(of course he also said the jury is still out on evolution)
the sun will get bigger and the earth's spin will slow down and become hell hot and ice cold
curbing emisions now is pratically shutting the barn door after the horse has run away
had something been done in the 70's maybe things would be better now, but that ship has sailed

what concerns me now is what on earth is going to happen on 12/20/2012, what so many believe is doomsday eve
we may be in the middle of a self-fulfilling prophesy

peace on earth
??
HAH

NOTHING will happen in 2012. The Mayan calendar mathematically had to end at some point and restart. It just so happens to restart next year. This is yet another in a long series of doomsday scenarios...same as Y2K or the imminent ice-age of the 70's.

Electric_Delta

he still stands wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

we can all make up our own minds and find what we believe to be true right ? if it's FOX CNN CBS NBC or who ever we choose to believe or we can do the home work and find as much of the facts as we can our selfs, there is no need to be close minded or one sided on here about a news station, I don't believe any of them any more, why don't some of you compare stories from station to station and see how they differ instead of sounding just like the stations you don't believe.

Godfather.

You're right, they're all utter shit. Fox News is blatantly the worst, though. They are more biased towards the republican party than I am towards the female anatomy. If you don't see that, then I don't think there is any hope for you.

But again, they're all utter shit. Read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent for a good understanding of why they are. I'm too hungover to get into details, but yeah, I don't even listen to NPR anymore. But, it's not that difficult to search the internets for real information rather than meaningless rhetoric. You certainly won't get it from FOX CNN CBS NBC ETC...

Fox may be biased towards Republicans, but if you can't see that virtually every other media outlet is a lapdog of the Libs, then there not be any hope for you.

Godfather.

Electric_Delta wrote:

he still stands wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

we can all make up our own minds and find what we believe to be true right ? if it's FOX CNN CBS NBC or who ever we choose to believe or we can do the home work and find as much of the facts as we can our selfs, there is no need to be close minded or one sided on here about a news station, I don't believe any of them any more, why don't some of you compare stories from station to station and see how they differ instead of sounding just like the stations you don't believe.

Godfather.

You're right, they're all utter shit. Fox News is blatantly the worst, though. They are more biased towards the republican party than I am towards the female anatomy. If you don't see that, then I don't think there is any hope for you.

But again, they're all utter shit. Read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent for a good understanding of why they are. I'm too hungover to get into details, but yeah, I don't even listen to NPR anymore. But, it's not that difficult to search the internets for real information rather than meaningless rhetoric. You certainly won't get it from FOX CNN CBS NBC ETC...

Fox may be biased towards Republicans, but if you can't see that virtually every other media outlet is a lapdog of the Libs, then there not be any hope for you.

:thumbup: well said !

also I agree with your doomsday post, I was talking to an older gentleman mid 70's I'm guessing(aerospace engineer) about this end of the world stuff and he told me every generation has it's end of the world predictions and this one is no different then gave examples starting back in the 40's and non ever came to be.

Godfather.

polaris_x

ahhhh ... another year and another thread trying to deny global warming ... even tho we had crazy weather in the UK, mass flooding in australia, and freezing temperatures in the south ...

all you "skeptics" really need to stop reading fox and all these right-wing op-ed as sources of your information ... none of them utilize science - probably because they can't understand it enough ...

critical thinking ... it's definitely lost on most people ...

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

ahhhh ... another year and another thread trying to deny global warming ... even tho we had crazy weather in the UK, mass flooding in australia, and freezing temperatures in the south ...

all you "skeptics" really need to stop reading fox and all these right-wing op-ed as sources of your information ... none of them utilize science - probably because they can't understand it enough ...

critical thinking ... it's definitely lost on most people ...

by who's standards ? would a farmers almanac work so we could go back and look at weather patterns
starting way back when ? serious question, I think that would be interesting to check out.

Godfather.

Cosmo

Regarding GodFather's original post... let me just add this:
Many of those predictions were based upon the 'hole' in the polar regions ozone layer. The hole was caused by the use of CFC's commonly used in those days. Had we NOT done anything to ban the release of harmful CFC's into the atmosphere... would some of those predictions have come true?
...
My point is... the predictions were based upon the data available at that time and factored in the results of not taking any action in order to remedy the problem.
...
My advice: Don't take other people's opinions as truth. Check it out yourself.

Godfather.

cosmo quote: "My advice: Don't take other people's opinions as truth. Check it out yourself."

I like it.

Godfather.

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

by who's standards ? would a farmers almanac work so we could go back and look at weather patterns
starting way back when ? serious question, I think that would be interesting to check out.

Godfather.

i'm not sure what you're asking ... but you can look at all the historical weather related data all you like - it may or may not show what you are looking for ...

at the end of the day ... global warming is the biggest threat to life on this planet as we speak ... and when i talk about life - i am talking about all life ... not just humans ...

the only people that would have you believe otherwise are the people who are most likely benefitting from the cause ... these are your oil executives and the like ... don't let your disdain for inefficiently run gov't distract you from the issue at hand ...

Shawshank

Godfather. wrote:

by who's standards ? would a farmers almanac work so we could go back and look at weather patterns
starting way back when ? serious question, I think that would be interesting to check out.

Godfather.

I already addressed that very topic of the Farmer's Almanac back in September.

http://forums.pearljam.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=140113#p3189244

In my experience, which is pretty involved since I deal heavily with weather patterns for our area, the variations have been minimal for our area, and the records I have on file go back to 1895. I've had to build this database in order to regulate our crop planting, and I also use the records for another industry that I'm involved in. I'm curious if my area is just the exception to the overall theory on climate. I'd like to start looking at Almanac data for various regions of the country and see exactly how much deviation there has been.

haffajappa

Pepe Silvia wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

First of all its not called Global Warming anymore, because calling that scam by that name was not working out so well, they're now selling the scam under the term "climate change". Either way its a way for the government and people like Al Gore make more money.

and a way to keep everyone bickering instead of DOING anything about it. is the planet warming? cooling? going through natural cycles? we can debate this forever but what CAN'T be debated is our negative impact on the planet, which is why they don't focus on the effects of pollution, deforestation.... but rather if the planet is warming up or not.

Nah, saying its a scam just means we can all feel less guilty about idling our big fuck off ford f150s and drink bottled water every day.

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

by who's standards ? would a farmers almanac work so we could go back and look at weather patterns
starting way back when ? serious question, I think that would be interesting to check out.

Godfather.

i'm not sure what you're asking ... but you can look at all the historical weather related data all you like - it may or may not show what you are looking for ...

at the end of the day ... global warming is the biggest threat to life on this planet as we speak ... and when i talk about life - i am talking about all life ... not just humans ...

the only people that would have you believe otherwise are the people who are most likely benefitting from the cause ... these are your oil executives and the like ... don't let your disdain for inefficiently run gov't distract you from the issue at hand ...

it's all very confusing when I hear debate from both sides,they both seem to have good points but I should get off my lazy ass and research this myself and come up with my own answer (thanks cosmo).

Godfather.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

it's all very confusing when I hear debate from both sides,they both seem to have good points but I should get off my lazy ass and research this myself and come up with my own answer (thanks cosmo).

Godfather.

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I really believe that shit you hear and read about has to be taken with a TON of salt, these days. Especially, shit on television and AM Talk Radio. Journalism in America is dead. It is not longer about just giving us the facts... it's all about giving us THEIR opinions.
I mean, I am pretty certain that if you had a staff of people and told them to find predictions of environmental disasters that came true... you could come up with a set of predicitons and try to sell us them as FACTS that proves that man-made Global Warming IS true. That isn't journalism... it's a manipulation of data to fit the outcome you wish to project.
That is WHY we are now being FORCED to find the truth ourselves. We have to take in data and information from several sources (on both sides of the debate) and hash through them to figure out what is more likely to be true, than false. That used to be the role of the media... to give us the facts, not their opinions on what the truth should be. Nowadays, the truth takes a backseat to the sensationalist stories that will attract the advertisement dollars of companies trying to sell us boner pills.
To sit there and take the shit we see on T.V. as fact is exactly where they want us to be. Easily manipulated.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

it's all very confusing when I hear debate from both sides,they both seem to have good points but I should get off my lazy ass and research this myself and come up with my own answer (thanks cosmo).

Godfather.

...
I really believe that shit you hear and read about has to be taken with a TON of salt, these days. Especially, shit on television and AM Talk Radio. Journalism in America is dead. It is not longer about just giving us the facts... it's all about giving us THEIR opinions.
I mean, I am pretty certain that if you had a staff of people and told them to find predictions of environmental disasters that came true... you could come up with a set of predicitons and try to sell us them as FACTS that proves that man-made Global Warming IS true. That isn't journalism... it's a manipulation of data to fit the outcome you wish to project.
That is WHY we are now being FORCED to find the truth ourselves. We have to take in data and information from several sources (on both sides of the debate) and hash through them to figure out what is more likely to be true, than false. That used to be the role of the media... to give us the facts, not their opinions on what the truth should be. Nowadays, the truth takes a backseat to the sensationalist stories that will attract the advertisement dollars of companies trying to sell us boner pills.
To sit there and take the shit we see on T.V. as fact is exactly where they want us to be. Easily manipulated.

WOW !!! well said and true.

Godfather.

lukin2006

haffajappa wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

First of all its not called Global Warming anymore, because calling that scam by that name was not working out so well, they're now selling the scam under the term "climate change". Either way its a way for the government and people like Al Gore make more money.

and a way to keep everyone bickering instead of DOING anything about it. is the planet warming? cooling? going through natural cycles? we can debate this forever but what CAN'T be debated is our negative impact on the planet, which is why they don't focus on the effects of pollution, deforestation.... but rather if the planet is warming up or not.

Nah, saying its a scam just means we can all feel less guilty about idling our big fuck off ford f150s and drink bottled water every day.

Don't drive f 150 or drink bottled water.

Jeanwah

Godfather. wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

it's all very confusing when I hear debate from both sides,they both seem to have good points but I should get off my lazy ass and research this myself and come up with my own answer (thanks cosmo).

Godfather.

...
I really believe that shit you hear and read about has to be taken with a TON of salt, these days. Especially, shit on television and AM Talk Radio. Journalism in America is dead. It is not longer about just giving us the facts... it's all about giving us THEIR opinions.
I mean, I am pretty certain that if you had a staff of people and told them to find predictions of environmental disasters that came true... you could come up with a set of predicitons and try to sell us them as FACTS that proves that man-made Global Warming IS true. That isn't journalism... it's a manipulation of data to fit the outcome you wish to project.
That is WHY we are now being FORCED to find the truth ourselves. We have to take in data and information from several sources (on both sides of the debate) and hash through them to figure out what is more likely to be true, than false. That used to be the role of the media... to give us the facts, not their opinions on what the truth should be. Nowadays, the truth takes a backseat to the sensationalist stories that will attract the advertisement dollars of companies trying to sell us boner pills.
To sit there and take the shit we see on T.V. as fact is exactly where they want us to be. Easily manipulated.

WOW !!! well said and true.

Godfather.

Godfather, the truth is in science reports. But there are false scientific websites out there with a slant. If you keep your research limited to authentic science data, you will find the truths regarding climate change.

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

it's all very confusing when I hear debate from both sides,they both seem to have good points but I should get off my lazy ass and research this myself and come up with my own answer (thanks cosmo).

Godfather.

most definitely ... one thing i would like to point out tho is that your original position is that global warming is a fraud ... you have to ask yourself why you started with that position before studying it yourself ...

Godfather.

polaris_x wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

it's all very confusing when I hear debate from both sides,they both seem to have good points but I should get off my lazy ass and research this myself and come up with my own answer (thanks cosmo).

Godfather.

most definitely ... one thing i would like to point out tho is that your original position is that global warming is a fraud ... you have to ask yourself why you started with that position before studying it yourself ...

t.v and a few things I've read, after some of the things I have read on here I'm wondering..for now I'm on the fence at least until I find some creditable reports as Jeanwah as pointed out.

Godfather.

Shawshank

I'd say it's wise to do your own research, and also question the credibility of those both for and against the hypothesis that man is directly responsible for climate change. There are people on both sides of the fence that stand to gain monetarily if either argument proves to be true.

polaris_x

Godfather. wrote:

t.v and a few things I've read, after some of the things I have read on here I'm wondering..for now I'm on the fence at least until I find some creditable reports as Jeanwah as pointed out.

Godfather.

exactly ...

and sure, there might be some companies out there developing "green" technology that might gain from this but c'mon - we're talking oil companies, mining companies, etc ... these guys are the industry that has brought about in 2010 alone ... massive oil spills, mining deaths, polluted watersheds ... they have far more to lose in this debate than there is to gain for those on the other side ...

Shawshank

haffajappa wrote:

Nah, saying its a scam just means we can all feel less guilty about idling our big fuck off ford f150s and drink bottled water every day.

That's about as fucking ignorant as saying all white people are trailer trash redneck racists, or all black people are violent hoodlums. It goes without question that certain elements of the climate change argument have been skewed to help push the agenda. You only have to look at some of the headlines last year, the emails, Al Gore, etc. Do a little research into carbon credits, and tell me there aren't huge profits just waiting to be had there.

Just because people don't lock onto something as gospel, when there has not been anywhere near enough consistent long-range data to prove it one way or the other, does not mean those people sit around and just shit all over the Earth. I love how a few people on here who slob all over this topic, try to hold themselves up on a pedestal, as if they are somehow doing more to protect the Earth than those uncivilized heathens who aren't completely sold. I can't think of one person within the community where I live that subscribes to the belief that man is causing the climate to change. However, I bet you ANY amount of money, that these people, along with myself probably do more to conserve, protect and renew our part of the planet than everyone else on this board combined. I'm not saying that to brag, I'm just saying we aren't sitting around in idling trucks drinking bottled water, so it's not smart to make such generalizations. My belief is simple, we should be stewards of this planet for the short time we are here, and I believe it is our responsibility to leave this place better than it was when we got here. That goes for everyone, whether you believe in the climate change business or not.