Gitmo still open....does anybody care...?

know1

Apparently it's a non-issue since Obama is the President, but it was a horrible tragedy under Bush.

Heard today that Obama said there are just too many legal and political issues to just shut the doors quickly...although he's had quite awhile now.

I don't think that answer was acceptable under Bush.

Godfather.

is gitmo filled with criminals ?

Godfather.

g under p

Godfather. wrote:

is gitmo filled with criminals ?

Godfather.

Not ALL were criminals while jailed there.

Peace

Pepe Silvia

Godfather. wrote:

is gitmo filled with criminals ?

Godfather.

some but it is filled with people who never had a trial

and to answer your question - no, it won't matter to his base just like all their crying about blue dog democrats need to be voted out (except for obama, he's a blue dog they all love and are too scared to vote against)

mikepegg44

well, since the economy is in the tank, and Health care became a giant debate monster, gitmo has gone on the back burner...I don't think it is a bush/obama thing, almost no human being cares about much else when their feeling of security is lost. I am not talking about security from "terrorists" I am talking about a job, a home, and food on the table.

breath123

Make sure Obama gets nothing done and then criticize him when he gets nothing done, typical.

Would you really care if he did close Gitmo? You, or those like you went on and on about how it was a major security collapse to close Gitmo, "Lawdy lawdy, where are all the terrorists gonna go"? Now it's "Why is it still open"? OH THE HUMANITY!!

I am the first one to say Obama has compromised where he hasn't had to and is a borderline corporate schill, but I say that as a critical supporter not because I take glee in it.

So, to your question. I think the collapse of the American financial system, making sure that your life is not over if you get sick, and making sure the wealthy don't get more than they deserve are more pressing issues.

know1

breath123 wrote:

Make sure Obama gets nothing done and then criticize him when he gets nothing done, typical.

Would you really care if he did close Gitmo? You, or those like you went on and on about how it was a major security collapse to close Gitmo, "Lawdy lawdy, where are all the terrorists gonna go"? Now it's "Why is it still open"? OH THE HUMANITY!!

I am the first one to say Obama has compromised where he hasn't had to and is a borderline corporate schill, but I say that as a critical supporter not because I take glee in it.

So, to your question. I think the collapse of the American financial system, making sure that your life is not over if you get sick, and making sure the wealthy don't get more than they deserve are more pressing issues.

You'll take offense, but that is a bunch of BS and you know it.

Are you saying that the people Obama should have working on closing Gitmo are too busy working on healthcare and the economy? Hmm...I would have thought it would be a different set of people.

Also, I'm sure nobody would buy the "there are more important things to do argument" when Bush was around.

Personally I disliked Bush and I dislike Obama about the same. Just pointing out how things that used to seem so important apparently aren't so much now that there's a different leader.

know1

mikepegg44 wrote:

well, since the economy is in the tank, and Health care became a giant debate monster, gitmo has gone on the back burner...I don't think it is a bush/obama thing, almost no human being cares about much else when their feeling of security is lost. I am not talking about security from "terrorists" I am talking about a job, a home, and food on the table.

Does he only have 3 people to work on these things? I can't imagine those who would be working on closing Gitmo would really be all that involved in health INSURANCE reform or the economy.

unsung

breath123 wrote:

Would you really care if he did close Gitmo?

I would. But then again I also want every troop in the world home. The only thing I approve is the active hunting and extermination of Al-Qaeda and their ilk.

inmytree

know1 wrote:

Apparently it's a non-issue since Obama is the President, but it was a horrible tragedy under Bush.

Heard today that Obama said there are just too many legal and political issues to just shut the doors quickly...although he's had quite awhile now.

I don't think that answer was acceptable under Bush.

and your solution is....?

Shawshank

I do think it's funny how things that were a big deal when Bush were in office, are just kind of swept under the rug now. Oil is another big one. When oil prices skyrocketed under Bush it was because he was a friend to "big oil". Now it's been steadily creeping up in price again, just around $92 a barrel today, and gas is up to about $3 a gallon, yet there's no mention of this here.

Best of Times

No.


Gitmo is a "horrible tragedy"? gimme a break.


Next thread.....

Godfather.

Best of Times wrote:

No.


Gitmo is a "horrible tragedy"? gimme a break.


Next thread.....

I agree,screw em !let them rot there.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-10/just ... s=PM:CRIME

even if.. at a half truth to this article these people have zero rights in my opinion.

Godfather.

inmytree

Shawshank wrote:

I do think it's funny how things that were a big deal when Bush were in office, are just kind of swept under the rug now. Oil is another big one. When oil prices skyrocketed under Bush it was because he was a friend to "big oil". Now it's been steadily creeping up in price again, just around $92 a barrel today, and gas is up to about $3 a gallon, yet there's no mention of this here.

perhaps you can start a thread about it gas prices...

mikepegg44

know1 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

well, since the economy is in the tank, and Health care became a giant debate monster, gitmo has gone on the back burner...I don't think it is a bush/obama thing, almost no human being cares about much else when their feeling of security is lost. I am not talking about security from "terrorists" I am talking about a job, a home, and food on the table.

Does he only have 3 people to work on these things? I can't imagine those who would be working on closing Gitmo would really be all that involved in health INSURANCE reform or the economy.

no, there aren't simply 3 people...
however, things get put on top of the pile when there is a lot of screaming. Squeaky wheel gets the grease. I am not saying it is right, but more answering the question of if anyone cares...my answer is no. Public outcry has quickly shrank and that is more a sign of what is happening and people seeing other things as bigger problems.

TriumphantAngel

Godfather. wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

No.


Gitmo is a "horrible tragedy"? gimme a break.


Next thread.....

I agree,screw em !let them rot there.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-10/just ... s=PM:CRIME

even if.. at a half truth to this article these people have zero rights in my opinion.

Godfather.

or how about giving them a fair trial and use direct, conclusive evidence to get a conviction? if evidence exists (without resorting to torture), give people a fair trial, and if convicted, then sentence them to max security prisons. don't keep people imprisoned for years without charging them or granting them access to any sort of legal counsel. no one has any right to detain someone for years without charges or a fair trial. If there is no evidence, or if they are found innocent, set them free.

oh and don't try and offload them to other countries like you have already tried to do. clean up your own mess.

shouldn't be that hard should it?

Commy

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

No.


Gitmo is a "horrible tragedy"? gimme a break.


Next thread.....

I agree,screw em !let them rot there.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-10/just ... s=PM:CRIME

even if.. at a half truth to this article these people have zero rights in my opinion.

Godfather.

or how about giving them a fair trial and use direct, conclusive evidence to get a conviction? if evidence exists (without resorting to torture), give people a fair trial, and if convicted, then sentence them to max security prisons. don't keep people imprisoned for years without charging them or granting them access to any sort of legal counsel. no one has any right to detain someone for years without charges or a fair trial. If there is no evidence, or if they are found innocent, set them free.

oh and don't try and offload them to other countries like you have already tried to do. clean up your own mess.

shouldn't be that hard should it?

exactly.



how can you tell if they are guilty or not?



trials exist for a reason. if you support holding people without trial you might as well support giving police officers judicial powers. if you've ever had a run in with the police, even a simple speeding ticket, you can see why that might be a bad idea.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY_A1500sI4

Godfather.

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

Best of Times

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Best of Times wrote:

No.


Gitmo is a "horrible tragedy"? gimme a break.


Next thread.....

I agree,screw em !let them rot there.
http://articles.cnn.com/2009-03-10/just ... s=PM:CRIME

even if.. at a half truth to this article these people have zero rights in my opinion.

Godfather.

or how about giving them a fair trial and use direct, conclusive evidence to get a conviction? if evidence exists (without resorting to torture), give people a fair trial, and if convicted, then sentence them to max security prisons. don't keep people imprisoned for years without charging them or granting them access to any sort of legal counsel. no one has any right to detain someone for years without charges or a fair trial. If there is no evidence, or if they are found innocent, set them free.

oh and don't try and offload them to other countries like you have already tried to do. clean up your own mess.

shouldn't be that hard should it?

Why do say "You", as if I did it? I'll assume you're a non-American Star Wars fan. If it was up to me they wouldn't be released anywhere, b/c they would have never been in Gitmo to begin with.
They'd be interrogated (hopefully waterboarded) when found, then executed and disposed of.
Prisoners? Lawyers? Trials? Why is that liberals think every problem on Earth, even wars, can be solved by a lawyer?

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

if it is clear that you understand your own hatred of innocent american people being attacked by others

can you understand their hatred of innocent people being attacked by the u.s.?

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

if it is clear that you understand your own hatred of innocent American people being attacked by others

can you understand their hatred of innocent people being attacked by the u.s.?

what are you saying g ?...we had it (9-11) coming ? you or anybody else don't know enough to make a statement like that, and whats up with all the anti U.S talk you post frequently ? you make it sound that the U.S is always the instigator of every conflict we have.

Godfather.

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

if it is clear that you understand your own hatred of innocent American people being attacked by others

can you understand their hatred of innocent people being attacked by the u.s.?

what are you saying g ?...we had it (9-11) coming ? you or anybody else don't know enough to make a statement like that, and whats up with all the anti U.S talk you post frequently ? you make it sound that the U.S is always the instigator of every conflict we have.

Godfather.

innocent people should never have that coming
cheney, bush sr., rumsfeld and all of the other masters of war should have suffered that attack

and the anti-u.s. talk
i do not support any u.s. military action against innocent civilians
i do not support this corrupt government
i do not support placing more value on money than on health, education, or fighting hunger
what do you support?

and which war is it that we have not instigated?

would you like to answer this
can you understand their hatred of innocent people being attacked by the u.s.?

Best of Times

How do you support paying for all that free stuff: health care, education, food, security?

Godfather.

g your question is one sided, and as far as Bush cheny and the others go, as I said you really don't know what Bush did or didn't do before 9-11

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia

Godfather. wrote:

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

and what should happen to all the americans who say things like we should just turn the region into a glass parking lot and cheer all the deaths, innocent or otherwise, over in iraq and afghanistan?

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

g your question is one sided, and as far as Bush cheny and the others go, as I said you really don't know what Bush did or didn't do before 9-11

Godfather.

i think the point of my question
that you find "one-sided"
is to show there are two sides
to your one-sided point

ironic

Pepe Silvia

Best of Times wrote:

Why do say "You", as if I did it? I'll assume you're a non-American Star Wars fan. If it was up to me they wouldn't be released anywhere, b/c they would have never been in Gitmo to begin with.
They'd be interrogated (hopefully waterboarded) when found, then executed and disposed of.
Prisoners? Lawyers? Trials? Why is that liberals think every problem on Earth, even wars, can be solved by a lawyer?

maybe we should get rid of trials and lawyers for everyone then? if yo give someone too much power eventually it will be abused and then the abuse become commonplace. to give the government the power to just snatch anyone up and say 'they are a terrorist, trust us!' never to be seen again is just pure fucking stupidity

Best of Times

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

and what should happen to all the americans who say things like we should just turn the region into a glass parking lot and cheer all the deaths, innocent or otherwise, over in iraq and afghanistan?

Good idea. If we nuked it, all that sand would heat up, turn to glass, and it would be so beautiful from space.

Then all the troops could come home...

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

and what should happen to all the Americans who say things like we should just turn the region into a glass parking lot and cheer all the deaths, innocent or otherwise, over in iraq and afghanistan?

why would you listen to them ?
if you guys want to find a reason to justify the actions of the people responsible for 9-11 go ahead,maybe next time these nuts go to Europe or here in the states and try to blow up a embassy or another building maybe one of you just might be in it and if you survive you can send them a thank you card for their effort. :?

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia

Godfather. wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

well there are some in there that say it was a great day and all the people killed on 9-11 was a good thing so if it were up to me those a-holes would be dead and cremated and flushed down the city sewer system with the rest of the shit.

Godfather.

and what should happen to all the Americans who say things like we should just turn the region into a glass parking lot and cheer all the deaths, innocent or otherwise, over in iraq and afghanistan?

why would you listen to them ?
if you guys want to find a reason to justify the actions of the people responsible for 9-11 go ahead,maybe next time these nuts go to Europe or here in the states and try to blow up a embassy or another building maybe one of you just might be in it and if you survive you can send them a thank you card for their effort. :?

Godfather.

fucking a, can't you ever answer a question without deflecting it and making an excuse why it shouldn't be answered?

if you think it's wrong for them to cheer the killing of innocent americans you should think it's wrong when americans cheer the killing of their innocent people.

Godfather.

EZ pepe.....you and g ask questions that you know/think will only get you answers to strengthen you statement
and I'm not playin, you guys are always calling the US on dirt but nobody else and to be honest with you I can't understand why you both live in America the way you talk about it, bet ya enjoy the benefits of being an American .

Godfather.