Michael Vick wants to own a dog

Electric_Delta

I think he's barking up the wrong tree.

I mean, maybe the court will throw him a bone this time.

If they keep him on a short leash, it might be okay.

UpSideDown

Jason P wrote:

When you think about it, I'm 100% positive that this dog will be treated better then most humans and there is no chance it will be used in criminal sport.

If he is allowed, one of the stipulations is that it needs to be a pound puppy. If you are against Vick getting a dog, are you OK with a potential candidate being put to death by lethal injection instead?

Godfather. wrote:

a man did some time for guns(selling without a license) now he can never own a gun again and thats fine,
so why would the courts allow vick to own a dog again especially considering his dogs where trained to kill each other ?
the law is the law right ?

Godfather.

I hate Vick probably more than most people ........but because there are tons of dogs that need homes, I would consider letting him have one. There would have to be mandatory check ins on a monthly basis though. Pound dogs only.

That is the difference between this and guns. Or comparing it to a child molester. The guns are not living or at risk to be put down. Dogs are being put down everyday.

Godfather.

UpSideDown wrote:

Jason P wrote:

When you think about it, I'm 100% positive that this dog will be treated better then most humans and there is no chance it will be used in criminal sport.

If he is allowed, one of the stipulations is that it needs to be a pound puppy. If you are against Vick getting a dog, are you OK with a potential candidate being put to death by lethal injection instead?

Godfather. wrote:

a man did some time for guns(selling without a license) now he can never own a gun again and thats fine,
so why would the courts allow vick to own a dog again especially considering his dogs where trained to kill each other ?
the law is the law right ?

Godfather.

I hate Vick probably more than most people ........but because there are tons of dogs that need homes, I would consider letting him have one. There would have to be mandatory check ins on a monthly basis though. Pound dogs only.

That is the difference between this and guns. Or comparing it to a child molester. The guns are not living or at risk to be put down. Dogs are being put down everyday.

you would have hard time convincing my Father of that, he cares for and treats his animals better than he treated his kid's and loves owning his guns.

Godfather.

blackredyellow

UpSideDown wrote:

Jason P wrote:

That is the difference between this and guns. Or comparing it to a child molester. The guns are not living or at risk to be put down. Dogs are being put down everyday.

But there are plenty of kids in bad foster homes or whatever... should someone who is a convicted child abuser be able to adopt one of them because he might be rehabilitated and could give them a better home?

cincybearcat

Electric_Delta wrote:

I think he's barking up the wrong tree.

I mean, maybe the court will throw him a bone this time.

If they keep him on a short leash, it might be okay.

Awesome!

pandora

I don't believe Vick. His words.
My feeling, he would say anything that promotes himself personally or as a player.
He can't back up his words with true feeling.
I don't think he gives a damn about dogs, now or ever.
It would be grand if we could stop the cycle though and allow his children to love and respect animals.
This here is where the problem lies. His kids deserve to learn that love. It's a love like no other.

Boxes&Books

I say Yes!
He's served his time, he's paid fines, he's put in many hours of community service, and now he is "volunteering" his personal time to educate others on animal abuse.
Yes he did committed a horrible act, but do you really think he's stupid enough repeat it, really?
What does he have to prove at this point? He's getting a huge contract, he's probably going to receive the MVP award from the NFL, and he's probably going to bring a super bowl win to Philadelphia. He made a huge mistake and I believe he has learned from it.
How many important leaders of our world make horrible mistakes and then are accepted back into important roles in our society. :oops:


"Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone"

g under p

tonifig8 wrote:

I say Yes!
He's served his time, he's paid fines, he's put in many hours of community service, and now he is "volunteering" his personal time to educate others on animal abuse.
Yes he did committed a horrible act, but do you really think he's stupid enough repeat it, really?
What does he have to prove at this point? He's getting a huge contract, he's probably going to receive the MVP award from the NFL, and he's probably going to bring a super bowl win to Philadelphia. He made a huge mistake and I believe he has learned from it.
How many important leaders of our world make horrible mistakes and then are accepted back into important roles in our society. :oops:


"Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone"

All good except the Super Bowl part, he's good but certainly not that good.

Peace

AzWicker

I have no problem with him owning a dog now, in fact I bet if he is allowed this next dog he owns will be the most pampered pet on the planet (5xfast). The fact he may get a big contract he will do nothing to jeopardize, he will probably go out ofhis way to show his "rehabilitation"

I would probably not want to be that dog after he retires from the NFL though...

Boxes&Books

g under p wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

I say Yes!
He's served his time, he's paid fines, he's put in many hours of community service, and now he is "volunteering" his personal time to educate others on animal abuse.
Yes he did committed a horrible act, but do you really think he's stupid enough repeat it, really?
What does he have to prove at this point? He's getting a huge contract, he's probably going to receive the MVP award from the NFL, and he's probably going to bring a super bowl win to Philadelphia. He made a huge mistake and I believe he has learned from it.
How many important leaders of our world make horrible mistakes and then are accepted back into important roles in our society. :oops:


"Let he who is with out sin cast the first stone"

All good except the Super Bowl part, he's good but certainly not that good.

Peace

I hate the eagles, but I sure do enjoy watching the guy play. I'm just being real.... the team is playing sick! And if he stays healthy, there is no way any team will contain him!

lukin2006

No way should he be allowed to own a dog. People who abuse animals I do not trust. I do not trust Vick.

UpSideDown

blackredyellow wrote:

UpSideDown wrote:

Jason P wrote:

That is the difference between this and guns. Or comparing it to a child molester. The guns are not living or at risk to be put down. Dogs are being put down everyday.

But there are plenty of kids in bad foster homes or whatever... should someone who is a convicted child abuser be able to adopt one of them because he might be rehabilitated and could give them a better home?

No, because that is not the child's only shot at life. They won't be given a lethal injection if they don't find a home.

Also, child abuse is way more complicated, higher stakes, and harder to recognize/easier to hide. It will be obvious as to whether the animal is treated well (assuming the do monthly checks as I stated before).

As for Vick "paying his debt to society" - fundamentally I don't agree with it. He has done everything that the courts required, and I commend him for that effort. But his prison time doesn't void any of the suffering those aniamls went through.

cajunkiwi

At what point did America go from being a nation of second chances, where people are given a chance to redeem themselves, to a nation where if you make a mistake you're fucked for the rest of your life?

I guess you all think it's absolutely impossible for someone to learn from their mistakes, and come out of a dark period in their life a better person, right?

I'm not justifying his actions - what he did was wrong and repulsive - I just think it's interesting that so many people immediately assume every person who makes a mistake is immediately beyond redemption. It's the old "One strike and you're out" way of thinking. I heard from a lot of people when Vick returned to play that he should never be allowed around animals again because "he hadn't proven to them" that he was reformed. When I asked them what proof they were looking for, to a man they were unable to answer.

So, I'll ask you guys:
1. Do you think people who make serious mistakes are capable of learning and maturing and realizing that their behavior was wrong?
2. If so, how should they prove that to you (in a manner that you wouldn't write off as "an obvious PR stunt")?

Boxes&Books

UpSideDown wrote:

No, because that is not the child's only shot at life. They won't be given a lethal injection if they don't find a home.

Also, child abuse is way more complicated, higher stakes, and harder to recognize/easier to hide. It will be obvious as to whether the animal is treated well (assuming the do monthly checks as I stated before).

As for Vick "paying his debt to society" - fundamentally I don't agree with it. He has done everything that the courts required, and I commend him for that effort. But his prison time doesn't void any of the suffering those aniamls went through.

Vick is currently volunteering some of his free time to educate young kids on animal abuse- And this is not part of his probation.
Nothing will void the suffering, but when is it ok to forgive(in this case)? Let's say he gives back- and rescues 1000 suffering animals-would he then be given a second chance? He's already contributed thousands of dollars, contributed a lot of his time, and also brought a whole lot of awareness to the issue.
Maybe the courts could ok him for a gold fish or something..... :roll:

cincybearcat

cajunkiwi wrote:

At what point did America go from being a nation of second chances, where people are given a chance to redeem themselves, to a nation where if you make a mistake you're fucked for the rest of your life?

Oh please. Fucked for life? He has a pretty good job and earning pretty good pay. Great, making the most of his second chance. But he killed dogs for fun...no more dogs for him and let his kids wishes for a dog remind him everyday of what he did so that he continues to work hard at being a better person.

cincybearcat

tonifig8 wrote:

Vick is currently volunteering some of his free time to educate young kids on animal abuse- And this is not part of his probation.

You sure that was his idea and not his PR person, agent, or even the Philadelphia Eagles idea/demand?

cajunkiwi

cincybearcat wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

At what point did America go from being a nation of second chances, where people are given a chance to redeem themselves, to a nation where if you make a mistake you're fucked for the rest of your life?

Oh please. Fucked for life? He has a pretty good job and earning pretty good pay. Great, making the most of his second chance. But he killed dogs for fun...no more dogs for him and let his kids wishes for a dog remind him everyday of what he did so that he continues to work hard at being a better person.

So I take it your answers to my questions are:

1. No.
2. N/A

Jason P

cajunkiwi wrote:

At what point did America go from being a nation of second chances, where people are given a chance to redeem themselves, to a nation where if you make a mistake you're fucked for the rest of your life?

I guess you all think it's absolutely impossible for someone to learn from their mistakes, and come out of a dark period in their life a better person, right?

I'm not justifying his actions - what he did was wrong and repulsive - I just think it's interesting that so many people immediately assume every person who makes a mistake is immediately beyond redemption. It's the old "One strike and you're out" way of thinking. I heard from a lot of people when Vick returned to play that he should never be allowed around animals again because "he hadn't proven to them" that he was reformed. When I asked them what proof they were looking for, to a man they were unable to answer.

So, I'll ask you guys:
1. Do you think people who make serious mistakes are capable of learning and maturing and realizing that their behavior was wrong?
2. If so, how should they prove that to you (in a manner that you wouldn't write off as "an obvious PR stunt")?

People tend to care more about pets then other people, in my opinion. He would have been better off sexually assaulting someone then killing dogs. Actually, he would have been better off killing a person, just ask Donte Stallworth.

I recall the national outcry lasting about 32 hours when Donte returned to football after mowing a pedestrian down while returning from a nightclub. And Leonard Little of the Rams killed a mother in a DUI Crash, got community service, was arrested again in 2004 for DUI, was found not guilty after failing 3 field tests, and went on to have a long NFL career that ended last year with nary a protest.

Don't even get me started on Stabby Lewis, who is a featured star in the NFL's advertising campaign.

Boxes&Books

cincybearcat wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Vick is currently volunteering some of his free time to educate young kids on animal abuse- And this is not part of his probation.

You sure that was his idea and not his PR person, agent, or even the Philadelphia Eagles idea/demand?

I can't prove that there is a motive, can you?

All I know is that he doesn't have to volunteer this additional time- He's working with young kids, who are probably growing up in an environment similar to the one he grew up in.
The Animal subject should be one he should be far far far away from, but he isn't.
The stadium is selling out, his jersey is selling well, ratings are high for the networks, he'll probably win the MVP, probably bring a championship to the city, and he'll probably get a huge contract..... I don't see what else he wants? Even animal rights organizations are proud of the work he is doing.......

I don't know what else to say....... look into your black heart ( ) and see if there is any room for love and forgiveness.

All I can say, as an animal lover, is that I am willing to let him get back into the mix. Heck- I'd even let him babysit my dog.

josevolution

Has anybody ever asked him , If you never got caught would you have stopped on your own ? .

I believe he never would of stopped ...