this country need real leadership,I don't know who but it's not Obama.
Godfather.
I find it so odd that this country seems to be in the same place as they were in 2003 towards their feelings to that current President George W Bush. Yet he was re-elected a year later and this country pushed on same as it ever was.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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this country need real leadership,I don't know who but it's not Obama.
Godfather.
what do you mean when you say real leadership. I think the next president needs to tell people the truth and not just what people want to hear. I'm not saying this president doesn't but i still think that this is the most important trait.
Of course for this to happen the public have to start forgetting how things used to be and realize how things are now.
this country need real leadership,I don't know who but it's not Obama.
Godfather.
what do you mean when you say real leadership. I think the next president needs to tell people the truth and not just what people want to hear. I'm not saying this president doesn't but i still think that this is the most important trait.
Of course for this to happen the public have to start forgetting how things used to be and realize how things are now.
He means a Republican. :roll:
Conservatives want someone in charge who will say what they want to hear. Forget about listening to an opposing viewpoint, let alone consider that it may be relevant.
The cycles of XYZ Bush and ZYX Clinton going through the oval office is too weird and scary a thought for me to have a part in continuing. I feel like we're a pretty doomed state if we really can't put forth more potential candidates than the same two families over and over.
George H. W. Bush
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
The alternating list of Bush/Clintons with Obama wedged in there stinks of something being amiss to me and problems with Democracy. It's pretty hard to see it being very far astray from royal bloodlines and monarchy.
Who wields power is not important, provided that the same hierarchical structure remains always the same. - George Orwell
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
as someone who would never vote for the fiasco that is the two-party corporatization fallacy ... my objective opinion as to who would be best to run the USA in 2012 is ...
Barrack Obama
although i am not a fan of his ... my observations is that the partisanship and corporate influence on governance is more problematic than i thought ... i do know that on the issue of global warming - he has brought together the who's who of advisors who are very knowledgeable on the topic however, like everything else he can't get anything done because he's working within a system that ultimately needs to be blown up ... he appears to have done this with other issues ... his speeches of reconciliation and civility are a direct aim at those who spend all their efforts basically cutting the legs right out of him and doing whatever they can to undermine any progress simply because he is either a Democrat or Black ...
in a system that refuses to work together for the people ... he is actually doing a decent job ...
this country need real leadership,I don't know who but it's not Obama.
Godfather.
what do you mean when you say real leadership. I think the next president needs to tell people the truth and not just what people want to hear. I'm not saying this president doesn't but i still think that this is the most important trait.
Of course for this to happen the public have to start forgetting how things used to be and realize how things are now.
He means a Republican. :roll:
Conservatives want someone in charge who will say what they want to hear. Forget about listening to an opposing viewpoint, let alone consider that it may be relevant.
no that's not what I meant and I don't care what party the next puppet comes from as long as he has a good understanding of what is best for the people and good political knowledge and if at all possible do something to stop or slow down out-sorcing and maybe do something about over spending...you know someone that knows what their doing. and a back bone like Ronald Reagan would be cool.
O.K bring on the Reagan haters, and note that I said a back bone like Reagan...nothing else
I think Obama wins in 2012 because the Republicans don't have anyone who can beat him. You need to appeal to both the working class and the bourgeois to win. George W Bush and Reagan had that appeal.... Bush Sr was at least better than Dukakis in this regard. Obama and Clinton had that cross appeal too.
Who do the Republicans have in 2012?
Romney - too stiff, and a Mormon has no chance at winning a national election anyway
Pawlenty - probably the best shot they have, but also probably too moderate to win the nomination... he doesn't seem to have the right personality to rally the troops either.
Palin - gimme a break
Paul - too unrealistc
Huckabee - another joke
There's nobody. The economy will probably be better as the election gets nearer, as we seem to be on the upswing of the perpetual boom and bust cycle of capitalism, and that always helps the incumbent.
I may be wrong, but I don't see how the Republicans win the next one.
Who wields power is not important, provided that the same hierarchical structure remains always the same. - George Orwell
as the kids say nowadays, "this"
and, there really isn't much difference between Bush and Obama, the "most conservative" and "most liberal" Presidents in history. Really.... what has changed? In 5 years you'll spend 30 minutes on hold with the government trying to figure out your health care, rather than a private company... other than that... ???
Now, if Palin gets elected, then I think shit could change fast. By "shit changing" I mean that I will probably either be in prison or dead.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
no that's not what I meant and I don't care what party the next puppet comes from as long as he has a good understanding of what is best for the people and good political knowledge and if at all possible do something to stop or slow down out-sorcing and maybe do something about over spending...you know someone that knows what their doing. and a back bone like Ronald Reagan would be cool.
O.K bring on the Reagan haters, and note that I said a back bone like Reagan...nothing else
Godfather.[/quote]
do you really think that Obama is not doing what he believes is best for people? really? now you might not like what he is doing but i think someof the things he is doing is best. don't you think allowing people with pre-diagnosed issues should not be denied health coverage? do you not think that allowing people who are fighting for your country should be allowed to express themselves?
as for outsourcing of jobs, no offense but no-one can stop that. that business. no matter how much taxes you reduce for business there are other countries who will make it cheaper. America has to change. you have to become more idea based economy. but to do that you need to spend more money on education not less.
no that's not what I meant and I don't care what party the next puppet comes from as long as he has a good understanding of what is best for the people and good political knowledge and if at all possible do something to stop or slow down out-sourcing and maybe do something about over spending...you know someone that knows what their doing. and a back bone like Ronald Reagan would be cool.
O.K bring on the Reagan haters, and note that I said a back bone like Reagan...nothing else
Godfather.
do you really think that Obama is not doing what he believes is best for people? really? now you might not like what he is doing but i think some of the things he is doing is best. don't you think allowing people with pre-diagnosed issues should not be denied health coverage? do you not think that allowing people who are fighting for your country should be allowed to express themselves?
as for outsourcing of jobs, no offense but no-one can stop that. that business. no matter how much taxes you reduce for business there are other countries who will make it cheaper. America has to change. you have to become more idea based economy. but to do that you need to spend more money on education not less.[/quote]
your right about Obama, I was just wishing for a complete package for a president....dream land
but sure wish out sourcing could be controlled a little better,limited out sourcing would be fine right now it seems like a free for all.
no that's not what I meant and I don't care what party the next puppet comes from as long as he has a good understanding of what is best for the people and good political knowledge and if at all possible do something to stop or slow down out-sourcing and maybe do something about over spending...you know someone that knows what their doing. and a back bone like Ronald Reagan would be cool.
O.K bring on the Reagan haters, and note that I said a back bone like Reagan...nothing else
Godfather.
do you really think that Obama is not doing what he believes is best for people? really? now you might not like what he is doing but i think some of the things he is doing is best. don't you think allowing people with pre-diagnosed issues should not be denied health coverage? do you not think that allowing people who are fighting for your country should be allowed to express themselves?
as for outsourcing of jobs, no offense but no-one can stop that. that business. no matter how much taxes you reduce for business there are other countries who will make it cheaper. America has to change. you have to become more idea based economy. but to do that you need to spend more money on education not less.
your right about Obama, I was just wishing for a complete package for a president....dream land
but sure wish out sourcing could be controlled a little better,limited out sourcing would be fine right now it seems like a free for all.
Godfather.[/quote]
there is no complete package for a president, because your country is so split. if 1 side loves a president another side will hate him. I personally don't believe you can really judge a president until many years after they leave office. being president is not only being a concern of the here and now but also in the future.
no that's not what I meant and I don't care what party the next puppet comes from as long as he has a good understanding of what is best for the people and good political knowledge and if at all possible do something to stop or slow down out-sourcing and maybe do something about over spending...you know someone that knows what their doing. and a back bone like Ronald Reagan would be cool.
O.K bring on the Reagan haters, and note that I said a back bone like Reagan...nothing else
Godfather.
do you really think that Obama is not doing what he believes is best for people? really? now you might not like what he is doing but i think some of the things he is doing is best. don't you think allowing people with pre-diagnosed issues should not be denied health coverage? do you not think that allowing people who are fighting for your country should be allowed to express themselves?
as for outsourcing of jobs, no offense but no-one can stop that. that business. no matter how much taxes you reduce for business there are other countries who will make it cheaper. America has to change. you have to become more idea based economy. but to do that you need to spend more money on education not less.
your right about Obama, I was just wishing for a complete package for a president....dream land
but sure wish out sourcing could be controlled a little better,limited out sourcing would be fine right now it seems like a free for all.
Godfather.
there is no complete package for a president, because your country is so split. if 1 side loves a president another side will hate him. I personally don't believe you can really judge a president until many years after they leave office. being president is not only being a concern of the here and now but also in the future.[/quote]
dang Fife and I agree still but I listed what I want in a president..me me me me
and you can do the same if you wish, ya know what I kinda like what I have been hearing about this Paul guy and I know we can't have everything we want in a president but so far I like his ideas.
Any ideas on who would be a good prospect ?
just for the record I'm not a Palin fan either, what do you all think of H.Clinton..I have my doubts.
Godfather.
I am honestly afraid that if the Republicans don't get their way this election, they might actually assassinate someone. I'm not really going on too many facts, just instinct from the heated opinions I've seen of the stubborn-minded Republicans I know personally. However, the ones I know personally also have a respect for human life. The "rich", white elitists who have been in charge for generations, however, frighten the hell out of me--them and those f*&ked up free mason freaks.
Any ideas on who would be a good prospect ?
just for the record I'm not a Palin fan either, what do you all think of H.Clinton..I have my doubts.
Godfather.
I am honestly afraid that if the Republicans don't get their way this election, they might actually assassinate someone. I'm not really going on too many facts, just instinct from the heated opinions I've seen of the stubborn-minded Republicans I know personally. However, the ones I know personally also have a respect for human life. The "rich", white elitists who have been in charge for generations, however, frighten the hell out of me--them and those f*&ked up free mason freaks.
fear is a chemical reaction the helps to keep you safe and alive,if you're that afraid maybe you just stay home on your computer...well maybe not the computer and what exactly do know about the Freemasons that is not tall tale or rumor, don't be afraid of something you know very little about,if you cower in fear you will always be kicked......kinda like the Democrats
and what exactly do know about the Freemasons that is not tall tale or rumor, don't be afraid of something you know very little about,if you cower in fear you will always be kicked......kinda like the Democrats
Godfather.
I don't know anything about them really. I just gathered, from listening to people on tv and on here, that they have the ability to control situations for the bad. And their mention of them in the movie Angels and Demons. It just seems like honest, average people are afraid of them, so I just thought there must be something behind it.
and what exactly do know about the Freemasons that is not tall tale or rumor, don't be afraid of something you know very little about,if you cower in fear you will always be kicked......kinda like the Democrats
Godfather.
I don't know anything about them really. I just gathered, from listening to people on tv and on here, that they have the ability to control situations for the bad. And their mention of them in the movie Angels and Demons. It just seems like honest, average people are afraid of them, so I just thought there must be something behind it.
it's crazy ain't it, I see where you're coming from but if you take a step back and think about it people are afraid of what they don't understand and thats when all the crazy accusations start flying and before you know it it's a big mess and misunderstanding.
it's crazy ain't it, I see where you're coming from but if you take a step back and think about it people are afraid of what they don't understand and thats when all the crazy accusations start flying and before you know it it's a big mess and misunderstanding.
Godfather.
sounds alot like the craziness going on in Egypt.
I'll admit, I've been throwing around alot of accusations and anger lately when I probably should be keeping quiet. But I just started on new meds this last week for crying out loud--after being on the same anti-depressant for 3 yrs. Us crazies aren't perfect you know.
Imagine someone who is honest, straightforward, unscripted but knows how to speak with people, passionate (but not too passionate) about putting forward a realistic progressive agenda, and who is an expert at debating people with a conservative viewpoint, and even has a good track record of winning them over, and could put together a team of people who know how to use the social media to create interest... and this person was scandal-free - too good a person to be scandalized. That person exists, a million times over, but is not seen in the top ranks of the current political establishment. That person needs to just ignore the bastards and start kicking some ass.
Imagine someone who is honest, straightforward, unscripted but knows how to speak with people, passionate (but not too passionate) about putting forward a realistic progressive agenda, and who is an expert at debating people with a conservative viewpoint, and even has a good track record of winning them over, and could put together a team of people who know how to use the social media to create interest... and this person was scandal-free - too good a person to be scandalized. That person exists, a million times over, but is not seen in the top ranks of the current political establishment. That person needs to just ignore the bastards and start kicking some ass.
wow that would be cool, sounds like Teddy Roosevelt.
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Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Godfather.
I find it so odd that this country seems to be in the same place as they were in 2003 towards their feelings to that current President George W Bush. Yet he was re-elected a year later and this country pushed on same as it ever was.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
why ? I know nothing about him can you give a little info on him.
Godfather.
what do you mean when you say real leadership. I think the next president needs to tell people the truth and not just what people want to hear. I'm not saying this president doesn't but i still think that this is the most important trait.
Of course for this to happen the public have to start forgetting how things used to be and realize how things are now.
He means a Republican. :roll:
Conservatives want someone in charge who will say what they want to hear. Forget about listening to an opposing viewpoint, let alone consider that it may be relevant.
George H. W. Bush
Bill Clinton
George W. Bush
Barack Obama
Hillary Clinton
The alternating list of Bush/Clintons with Obama wedged in there stinks of something being amiss to me and problems with Democracy. It's pretty hard to see it being very far astray from royal bloodlines and monarchy.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Barrack Obama
although i am not a fan of his ... my observations is that the partisanship and corporate influence on governance is more problematic than i thought ... i do know that on the issue of global warming - he has brought together the who's who of advisors who are very knowledgeable on the topic however, like everything else he can't get anything done because he's working within a system that ultimately needs to be blown up ... he appears to have done this with other issues ... his speeches of reconciliation and civility are a direct aim at those who spend all their efforts basically cutting the legs right out of him and doing whatever they can to undermine any progress simply because he is either a Democrat or Black ...
in a system that refuses to work together for the people ... he is actually doing a decent job ...
no that's not what I meant and I don't care what party the next puppet comes from as long as he has a good understanding of what is best for the people and good political knowledge and if at all possible do something to stop or slow down out-sorcing and maybe do something about over spending...you know someone that knows what their doing.
O.K bring on the Reagan haters, and note that I said a back bone like Reagan...nothing else
Godfather.
Who do the Republicans have in 2012?
Romney - too stiff, and a Mormon has no chance at winning a national election anyway
Pawlenty - probably the best shot they have, but also probably too moderate to win the nomination... he doesn't seem to have the right personality to rally the troops either.
Palin - gimme a break
Paul - too unrealistc
Huckabee - another joke
There's nobody. The economy will probably be better as the election gets nearer, as we seem to be on the upswing of the perpetual boom and bust cycle of capitalism, and that always helps the incumbent.
I may be wrong, but I don't see how the Republicans win the next one.
as the kids say nowadays, "this"
and, there really isn't much difference between Bush and Obama, the "most conservative" and "most liberal" Presidents in history. Really.... what has changed? In 5 years you'll spend 30 minutes on hold with the government trying to figure out your health care, rather than a private company... other than that... ???
Now, if Palin gets elected, then I think shit could change fast. By "shit changing" I mean that I will probably either be in prison or dead.
O.K bring on the Reagan haters, and note that I said a back bone like Reagan...nothing else
Godfather.[/quote]
do you really think that Obama is not doing what he believes is best for people? really? now you might not like what he is doing but i think someof the things he is doing is best. don't you think allowing people with pre-diagnosed issues should not be denied health coverage? do you not think that allowing people who are fighting for your country should be allowed to express themselves?
as for outsourcing of jobs, no offense but no-one can stop that. that business. no matter how much taxes you reduce for business there are other countries who will make it cheaper. America has to change. you have to become more idea based economy. but to do that you need to spend more money on education not less.
do you really think that Obama is not doing what he believes is best for people? really? now you might not like what he is doing but i think some of the things he is doing is best. don't you think allowing people with pre-diagnosed issues should not be denied health coverage? do you not think that allowing people who are fighting for your country should be allowed to express themselves?
as for outsourcing of jobs, no offense but no-one can stop that. that business. no matter how much taxes you reduce for business there are other countries who will make it cheaper. America has to change. you have to become more idea based economy. but to do that you need to spend more money on education not less.[/quote]
your right about Obama, I was just wishing for a complete package for a president....dream land
but sure wish out sourcing could be controlled a little better,limited out sourcing would be fine right now it seems like a free for all.
Godfather.
your right about Obama, I was just wishing for a complete package for a president....dream land
but sure wish out sourcing could be controlled a little better,limited out sourcing would be fine right now it seems like a free for all.
Godfather.[/quote]
there is no complete package for a president, because your country is so split. if 1 side loves a president another side will hate him. I personally don't believe you can really judge a president until many years after they leave office. being president is not only being a concern of the here and now but also in the future.
there is no complete package for a president, because your country is so split. if 1 side loves a president another side will hate him. I personally don't believe you can really judge a president until many years after they leave office. being president is not only being a concern of the here and now but also in the future.[/quote]
dang Fife and I agree still but I listed what I want in a president..me me me me
and you can do the same if you wish, ya know what I kinda like what I have been hearing about this Paul guy and I know we can't have everything we want in a president but so far I like his ideas.
Godfather.
I am honestly afraid that if the Republicans don't get their way this election, they might actually assassinate someone. I'm not really going on too many facts, just instinct from the heated opinions I've seen of the stubborn-minded Republicans I know personally. However, the ones I know personally also have a respect for human life. The "rich", white elitists who have been in charge for generations, however, frighten the hell out of me--them and those f*&ked up free mason freaks.
fear is a chemical reaction the helps to keep you safe and alive,if you're that afraid maybe you just stay home on your computer...well maybe not the computer
Godfather.
I don't know anything about them really. I just gathered, from listening to people on tv and on here, that they have the ability to control situations for the bad. And their mention of them in the movie Angels and Demons. It just seems like honest, average people are afraid of them, so I just thought there must be something behind it.
it's crazy ain't it, I see where you're coming from but if you take a step back and think about it people are afraid of what they don't understand and thats when all the crazy accusations start flying and before you know it it's a big mess and misunderstanding.
Godfather.
sounds alot like the craziness going on in Egypt.
I'll admit, I've been throwing around alot of accusations and anger lately when I probably should be keeping quiet. But I just started on new meds this last week for crying out loud--after being on the same anti-depressant for 3 yrs. Us crazies aren't perfect you know.
Good luck to the next Pres.
Imagine someone who is honest, straightforward, unscripted but knows how to speak with people, passionate (but not too passionate) about putting forward a realistic progressive agenda, and who is an expert at debating people with a conservative viewpoint, and even has a good track record of winning them over, and could put together a team of people who know how to use the social media to create interest... and this person was scandal-free - too good a person to be scandalized. That person exists, a million times over, but is not seen in the top ranks of the current political establishment. That person needs to just ignore the bastards and start kicking some ass.
wow that would be cool, sounds like Teddy Roosevelt.
Godfather.