Dem's pissed at obamas tax plan

inmytree

Jason P wrote:

Exactly. For the last several years I've been hearing how both sides refuse to work with each other and how much rail-roading is going on and when the two sides actually come to a solution that forces them to give a little to get a little, everyone is angry. I guess both sides could continue to argue as tax cuts expired for everyone and the unemployed go hungry throughout the coldest part of the year, and then we could argue more about which side was at fault ... I guess that would make the extreme supporters of each side happy, but for the rest of us it would suck.

Isn't this compromise an example of bipartisanship?

help me understand how the bush tax cuts and unemployment benefits are suddenly one thing...?

why do they have to be lumped together..? face it, obama caved like a little bitch...yeah, I said it...and I've grown tired of his bitching about "progressives"...

I say fight the tax issue and unemployment issue separately...

Godfather.

mikepegg44 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

"Democrats are fuming that the administration agreed to exempt inheritances up to $5 million and to set the tax rate at 35%. The estate tax is scheduled to be reinstated at a higher rate of 55% next year, with the exemption up to $1 million. A bill passed the House a year ago that set the threshold for the exemption at $3.5 million and the tax rate at 45%." this a bullshit tax IMO
Godfather.

no kidding. the idea that they can tax money that has already been earned and taxed is ridiculous. if I save every dollar I make and leave it to my kids, why on earth should they be punished. The government thinks they are entitled to a piece of everything and it bothers me to no end

I'm with you on that !

Godfather.

Godfather.

sweet adeline wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

"Democrats are fuming that the administration agreed to exempt inheritances up to $5 million and to set the tax rate at 35%. The estate tax is scheduled to be reinstated at a higher rate of 55% next year, with the exemption up to $1 million. A bill passed the House a year ago that set the threshold for the exemption at $3.5 million and the tax rate at 45%." this a bullshit tax IMO



no kidding. the idea that they can tax money that has already been earned and taxed is ridiculous. if I save every dollar I make and leave it to my kids, why on earth should they be punished. The government thinks they are entitled to a piece of everything and it bothers me to no end

the estate tax is a transfer tax like any other tax.

by your rationale, you should also be pissed about sales tax, in fact, more upset. the estate tax only affects ~5% of the population, whereas you pay sales tax all the time.

a transfer tax ????? what a bunch of BULLSHIT !!! taxing already taxed money that is in your family...given from family member to family member, I agree we need tax's to run this country but it's way out of hand to the point of financial rape.

Godfather.

keeponrockin

Cut taxes and increase spending. Fucking stupid. I don't know how any side can claim victory here... Dems have taxes lowered, adding to the deficit. And the GOP has increased spending, thus adding to the deficit.

Godfather.

keeponrockin wrote:

Cut taxes and increase spending. Fucking stupid. I don't know how any side can claim victory here... Dems have taxes lowered, adding to the deficit. And the GOP has increased spending, thus adding to the deficit.

we can start by cutting funding to every sloppy A** country in the world .


Godfather.

sweet adeline

Godfather. wrote:

a transfer tax ????? what a bunch of BULLSHIT !!! taxing already taxed money that is in your family...given from family member to family member, I agree we need tax's to run this country but it's way out of hand to the point of financial rape.

Godfather.

you pay transfer taxes all the time. every time property moves from one person to another, you pay tax. if you paid for coffee this morning, you paid tax.

like i originally said, it affects next to no one, so why there is so much outrage over it ridiculous. there were ~14k tax forms 706 filed in 2009, of which, 5,500 owed estate tax. so of all the people who died in 2009, 5,500 owed estate tax. your energy would be better spent railing about sales tax.

Jason P

inmytree wrote:

help me understand how the bush tax cuts and unemployment benefits are suddenly one thing...?

why do they have to be lumped together..? face it, obama caved like a little bitch...yeah, I said it...and I've grown tired of his bitching about "progressives"...

I say fight the tax issue and unemployment issue separately...

The two issues are linked because of their respective deadlines and because in order for progress to be made, each side needs incentive. Both sides are pandering to a class that predominantly votes them back into office (and I'm not talking about the middle class). Republicans don't have incentive to extend unemployment benefits and the Democrats don't have incentive to keep taxes at the current rate for the rich. Both issues had the clock ticking and both issues are set to be massive failures for each party.

It is in our collective interest that a compromise is made. It's much better then the second option that extremist on both sides have been making a case for ... you know, the option where everything fails, everyone’s taxes go up, the unemployed go hungry, all while the spin doctors for each side try to explain to the American people that it was all the other side's fault and how you need to vote more of them in during the next election.

Boxes&Books

Jason P wrote:

inmytree wrote:

help me understand how the bush tax cuts and unemployment benefits are suddenly one thing...?

why do they have to be lumped together..? face it, obama caved like a little bitch...yeah, I said it...and I've grown tired of his bitching about "progressives"...

I say fight the tax issue and unemployment issue separately...

The two issues are linked because of their respective deadlines and because in order for progress to be made, each side needs incentive. Both sides are pandering to a class that predominantly votes them back into office (and I'm not talking about the middle class). Republicans don't have incentive to extend unemployment benefits and the Democrats don't have incentive to keep taxes at the current rate for the rich. Both issues had the clock ticking and both issues are set to be massive failures for each party.

It is in our collective interest that a compromise is made. It's much better then the second option that extremist on both sides have been making a case for ... you know, the option where everything fails, everyone’s taxes go up, the unemployed go hungry, all while the spin doctors for each side try to explain to the American people that it was all the other side's fault and how you need to vote more of them in during the next election.

Adding Billions of Dollars to the deficit wasn't suppose to be the reason why the GOP was voted in, right? These two subjects are adding BILLIONS!!

GOP is working on behalf of who? Because if you look at what Obama's tax bracket was purposing it was only a slight change to what we currently have. And it had absolutely no negative affect on the middle class. I am assuming you support this because you are part of that 2%, right?

inmytree

Jason P wrote:

inmytree wrote:

help me understand how the bush tax cuts and unemployment benefits are suddenly one thing...?

why do they have to be lumped together..? face it, obama caved like a little bitch...yeah, I said it...and I've grown tired of his bitching about "progressives"...

I say fight the tax issue and unemployment issue separately...

The two issues are linked because of their respective deadlines and because in order for progress to be made, each side needs incentive. Both sides are pandering to a class that predominantly votes them back into office (and I'm not talking about the middle class). Republicans don't have incentive to extend unemployment benefits and the Democrats don't have incentive to keep taxes at the current rate for the rich. Both issues had the clock ticking and both issues are set to be massive failures for each party.

It is in our collective interest that a compromise is made. It's much better then the second option that extremist on both sides have been making a case for ... you know, the option where everything fails, everyone’s taxes go up, the unemployed go hungry, all while the spin doctors for each side try to explain to the American people that it was all the other side's fault and how you need to vote more of them in during the next election.

the issues are linked because you want them to be linked...don't get me wrong, I hear what you are saying...I just don't agree...

unemployment benefits would have been extended with or without this "compromise"...and I really don't care if taxes go up...I give back the extra 20 or 30 bucks a month...

this is simple case of the White House kicking the can down the road...

Godfather.

sweet adeline wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

a transfer tax ????? what a bunch of BULLSHIT !!! taxing already taxed money that is in your family...given from family member to family member, I agree we need tax's to run this country but it's way out of hand to the point of financial rape.

Godfather.

you pay transfer taxes all the time. every time property moves from one person to another, you pay tax. if you paid for coffee this morning, you paid tax.

like i originally said, it affects next to no one, so why there is so much outrage over it ridiculous. there were ~14k tax forms 706 filed in 2009, of which, 5,500 owed estate tax. so of all the people who died in 2009, 5,500 owed estate tax. your energy would be better spent railing about sales tax.

I may never have to pay inheritance tax's but it's still a bunch of crap to me, being one of the 5,500 who got screwed would suck.

Godfather.

Jason P

tonifig8 wrote:

Adding Billions of Dollars to the deficit wasn't suppose to be the reason why the GOP was voted in, right? These two subjects are adding BILLIONS!!

GOP is working on behalf of who? Because if you look at what Obama's tax bracket was purposing it was only a slight change to what we currently have. And it had absolutely no negative affect on the middle class. I am assuming you support this because you are part of that 2%, right?

Yes, I'm cruising around the globe on my Gulf Stream jet while posting on the PJ message board as we speak. I'll keep this short because I have brunch scheduled with the Prince of Monaco. It's good to be king.

Boxes&Books

Jason P wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Adding Billions of Dollars to the deficit wasn't suppose to be the reason why the GOP was voted in, right? These two subjects are adding BILLIONS!!

GOP is working on behalf of who? Because if you look at what Obama's tax bracket was purposing it was only a slight change to what we currently have. And it had absolutely no negative affect on the middle class. I am assuming you support this because you are part of that 2%, right?

Yes, I'm cruising around the globe on my Gulf Stream jet while posting on the PJ message board as we speak. I'll keep this short because I have brunch scheduled with the Prince of Monaco. It's good to be king.

well that makes sense. Now I know why your so defensive.

Commy

lets increase spending AND cut taxes, because that makes sense when we are trying to balance the budget.

Godfather.

Commy wrote:

lets increase spending AND cut taxes, because that makes sense when we are trying to balance the budget.

who is over spending and on what ? I don't think its fair the American people should be over taxed for the irresponsible spending by the government.

Godfather.

Electric_Delta

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

obama has not ruled from the left. he is a centrist.

Compared to who?

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

obama has not ruled from the left. he is a centrist.

Compared to who?

what are your examples of him ruling from the left?
you got your tax cuts. you have don't ask don't tell still on the books. you don't have medicare for all or a public option. we are still fighting the "war on turr"... i can go on and on. this is a 3rd bush term.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

obama has not ruled from the left. he is a centrist.

Compared to who?

what are your examples of him ruling from the left?
you got your tax cuts. you have don't ask don't tell still on the books. you don't have medicare for all or a public option. we are still fighting the "war on turr"... i can go on and on. this is a 3rd bush term.

wow ! you sure call it like you see it...I take back all the crummy things I've said about you j/k

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

wow ! you sure call it like you see it...I take back all the crummy things I've said about you j/k

Godfather.

lol thanks.

i think i see things much clearer now. i voted for hope and change, and have lost hope, and gotten "the same".

i stand by my assertion earlier in this thread that he step down and not run for re-election. we stand where we are today because he failed to lead. he had the bully pulpit and did not use it. he had majorities in both houses and failed to crack enough skulls to get the dems in lock step to pass his agenda. he compromised on everything and fought for nothing. typical empty suit democrat. rarely do nice guys win their agenda, and rarely are great leaders well liked. he tried to be friend with everyone and you can not do that in politics, especially if you are the president. now he will not win.

come 2012 if the economy is still in the shitter, unemployment is still near 9%, wall street is still running amok with $90 billion bonuses for the ones that wrecked the economy, we are still at war, the income gap continues to widen, and if he is still caving into gop demands he will not win a second term. god knows he is not going to get his agenda with the gop controlled house. the gop can run a scarecrow or a manequin and it would probably beat obama. he needs a challenger in the primary. someone who will not retreat and will not surrender.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

wow ! you sure call it like you see it...I take back all the crummy things I've said about you j/k

Godfather.

lol thanks.

i think i see things much clearer now. i voted for hope and change, and have lost hope, and gotten "the same".

i stand by my assertion earlier in this thread that he step down and not run for re-election. we stand where we are today because he failed to lead. he had the bully pulpit and did not use it. he had majorities in both houses and failed to crack enough skulls to get the dems in lock step to pass his agenda. he compromised on everything and fought for nothing. typical empty suit democrat. rarely do nice guys win their agenda, and rarely are great leaders well liked. he tried to be friend with everyone and you can not do that in politics, especially if you are the president. now he will not win.

come 2012 if the economy is still in the shitter, unemployment is still near 9%, wall street is still running amok with $90 billion bonuses for the ones that wrecked the economy, we are still at war, the income gap continues to widen, and if he is still caving into gop demands he will not win a second term. god knows he is not going to get his agenda with the gop controlled house. the gop can run a scarecrow or a manequin and it would probably beat obama. he needs a challenger in the primary. someone who will not retreat and will not surrender.

do you think that his situation is because of lack of experience or the nice guy approach that my have worked in lower level politics just don't work in the snake pit of big league politics ? or either ?
I have feeling that it could be a combination of both but thats just a gut feeling.
I think he stepped into an arena of seasoned politicians who set him up and knocked him down and he had no idea how to handle the on slot of attacks from the snake pit,again just guessing

Godfather.

Pepe Silvia

remember when he said those tax cuts "offended his conscious"?? hahahaha

welcome to the corporate duopoly