Dem's pissed at obamas tax plan
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http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/08/ ... tml?hpt=T1
Washington (CNN) -- House Democrats vented their frustrations with President Barack Obama's tax proposal at a closed-door meeting Tuesday night, with rank-and-file members slamming the White House for leaving House Democrats out of final negotiations, and agreeing too quickly to a GOP proposal on the estate tax.
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Washington (CNN) -- House Democrats vented their frustrations with President Barack Obama's tax proposal at a closed-door meeting Tuesday night, with rank-and-file members slamming the White House for leaving House Democrats out of final negotiations, and agreeing too quickly to a GOP proposal on the estate tax.
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"Democrats are fuming that the administration agreed to exempt inheritances up to $5 million and to set the tax rate at 35%. The estate tax is scheduled to be reinstated at a higher rate of 55% next year, with the exemption up to $1 million. A bill passed the House a year ago that set the threshold for the exemption at $3.5 million and the tax rate at 45%." this a bullshit tax IMO
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as of yesterday, i think for the good of the country, and for the good of the democratic party he should step aside.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But when I hear middle class people argue with partisan talking points about it the estate tax, it makes me laugh... especially on the right... the "death tax" thing, people saying that the gov't wants to take all of your money when you die, etc... when in reality, 99% of these people will not be affected in any way by this tax.
Just another one of those partisan distraction issues...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
But really, what more could he get passed if he declared he wasn't seeking re-election? The GOP will clearly block anything that is too far left, and Obama doesn't have a ton of leverage in the democratic party now, and being a lame duck, he'd even have less I think.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
we took the house and senate in 2006, and still bowed down and gave bush everything he wanted.
in 2008 we added the white house to the democratic column and we let the republicans rule from the minority position on every issue.
today, we still have the majority in this session and we let the republicans rule from the minority still.
it is going to be painful to see how little will get done in the next 2 years....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm not as knowledgeable on politics as most of you( :shock: really) LOL!! but even to me it looks like someone got a picture of obama with a goat and is playing the hand well, I don't understand how or why he would change sides half way through his term...well thats what it looks like anyway.
I have never been a obama supporter but to be fair I think he just got in over his head and you can't blame a guy for taking a shot at it but you would think as intelligent as he is he would have learned more along the way,I don't know whats really going on but the proverbial goat picture seems strong at this point.
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I am interested to know what you are referencing.
"the proverbial goat picture".... Hoover back in the day kept(dirty) files on everybody in Washington and used them to run the FBI his way and keep his job for 30-40 years, wonder who's doing it now ?
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Secondly his base hasn't been as strong as it should have been- For Example on Heath care- A lot of Dems didn't support universal care- So Obama couldn't implement universal care because a lot of his base wouldn't have supported it. He would have looked bad trying to pass a bill and it not go anywhere even with his party in charge. The Health care bill was a huge accomplishment and no one else could have taken it to where it did....
I really feel that he is in it for the long haul- making key investments in Heath Care and setting up the foundation for a full blown Universal Care in his next term. Universal Heath Care is HUGE- and it wouldn't be an easy system to implement.
He did accomplish 70% of his agenda in the first two years.
It's just to hard for him to govern from the far left- look at how difficult it is for Republicans to govern from the far right.
Obama has shown patients and been a strong voice of reason. I would love to see him be more angry, but I guess that isn't something he displays in public.
A majority of what he says makes rational sense to me.
He still has my vote and my support for a second term - There is no doubt about that!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
How is he changing sides? Really? He negotiated these terms- The GOP didn't get the long term tax cuts they wanted (GOP wanted permanent tax cuts) and Unemployment benefits are being extended.
You should be more pissed at the JOB the GOP is doing- They're about to add 900+ billion of additional to the deficit- Weren't they voted in because they were going to reduce the deficit? And they wont be going after the heath care bill either!!
Forgot to mention that the GOP did all of this to protect 2% of the population- I am assuming that you represent that 2%, right Godfather? Because you protect them day in and day out....
Look at how the actual tax cut brackets break down- look at what Obama is proposing and what is currently in place.
Your not going to learn when your getting your news from Fox.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-fi ... 91782.html
WASHINGTON -- Sometimes there are days here that sum up the state of politics and the condition of the country.
Today is one: While Democrats in Congress fight a rear-guard action against $700 billion in new tax cuts for the rich, and the city frets over the $14 trillion national debt, and officials announce that the unemployment rose to 9.8 percent, President Obama is gone -- off in Afghanistan bucking up troops in an admittedly unwinnable war that is now the longest and costliest (perhaps $2 trillion, depending on your math) in our history.
No one moment has more vividly demonstrated the predicament the president is in as a result of having accepted the basic fiscal and military parameters of the presidency that preceded him.
Accused of being a radical by the right, Obama in fact has allowed himself to be trapped, with a few notable exceptions (health care and food safety being two), in a slightly more bland rendition of a third Bush term.
The Obama administration is crowing about TARP bailouts -- a Bush-era invention. It has committed to staying actively involved until 2014 in the war in Afghanistan -- a Bush-era invention. And Team Obama refused to threaten an all-out fight against a top-end income tax-cut -- a Bush-era invention.
The inevitable result: 21st century economic stasis and more runaway increases in federal debt -- two more Bush-era inventions.
It's laudable and necessary for the president to visit the troops at this time of year. He specifically wanted to thank those involved in his surge there, and he brings with him the fervent thanks of all of us. Their sacrifice is beyond the imagining of most of us.
But Obama's sudden trip there, at a time when so much else is under siege here, shows precisely where we are right now. We have a beleaguered president who needs to show that he can command, or at least influence, the course of history, and who in political terms has to show the bravery, guts and can-do focus of the soldiers standing in front of him.
no kidding. the idea that they can tax money that has already been earned and taxed is ridiculous. if I save every dollar I make and leave it to my kids, why on earth should they be punished. The government thinks they are entitled to a piece of everything and it bothers me to no end
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
funny how everyone wants people to work together and find a common solution, and then when they do they are called on the carpet.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
the estate tax is a transfer tax like any other tax.
by your rationale, you should also be pissed about sales tax, in fact, more upset. the estate tax only affects ~5% of the population, whereas you pay sales tax all the time.
obama's campaign slogans weren't "compromise" and "negotiate", they were "hope" and "change". he didn't get elected to work with the right, he got elected as a referendum on the bush administration. to say he has been disappointing would be an understatement. the dem's in the house and senate are equally to blame though, they are the same corporate pussies as he's turned out to be.
Isn't this compromise an example of bipartisanship?
help me understand how the bush tax cuts and unemployment benefits are suddenly one thing...?
why do they have to be lumped together..? face it, obama caved like a little bitch...yeah, I said it...and I've grown tired of his bitching about "progressives"...
I say fight the tax issue and unemployment issue separately...
I'm with you on that !
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a transfer tax ????? what a bunch of BULLSHIT !!! taxing already taxed money that is in your family...given from family member to family member, I agree we need tax's to run this country but it's way out of hand to the point of financial rape.
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we can start by cutting funding to every sloppy A** country in the world .
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you pay transfer taxes all the time. every time property moves from one person to another, you pay tax. if you paid for coffee this morning, you paid tax.
like i originally said, it affects next to no one, so why there is so much outrage over it ridiculous. there were ~14k tax forms 706 filed in 2009, of which, 5,500 owed estate tax. so of all the people who died in 2009, 5,500 owed estate tax. your energy would be better spent railing about sales tax.
It is in our collective interest that a compromise is made. It's much better then the second option that extremist on both sides have been making a case for ... you know, the option where everything fails, everyone’s taxes go up, the unemployed go hungry, all while the spin doctors for each side try to explain to the American people that it was all the other side's fault and how you need to vote more of them in during the next election.
Adding Billions of Dollars to the deficit wasn't suppose to be the reason why the GOP was voted in, right? These two subjects are adding BILLIONS!!
GOP is working on behalf of who? Because if you look at what Obama's tax bracket was purposing it was only a slight change to what we currently have. And it had absolutely no negative affect on the middle class. I am assuming you support this because you are part of that 2%, right?
the issues are linked because you want them to be linked...don't get me wrong, I hear what you are saying...I just don't agree...
unemployment benefits would have been extended with or without this "compromise"...and I really don't care if taxes go up...I give back the extra 20 or 30 bucks a month...
this is simple case of the White House kicking the can down the road...
I may never have to pay inheritance tax's but it's still a bunch of crap to me, being one of the 5,500 who got screwed would suck.
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