So Qatar got the 2022 FIFA World Cup...

Jason P

blackredyellow wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Having established stadiums means that the tournament will have a smaller carbon footprint, which is something that these people supposedly care about (guess not). Also, having established flight routes for people to actually get to the tournament. How the fuck is anyone supposed to get to Qatar? How about having enough space to fit all the people who are theoretically going to attend the tournament. How about having appropriate weather for people to gather in public spaces?

Like I said, repeatedly, I have no problem with other, qualified, countries winning, like South Africa, Australia, England, Canada, whatever. Also, regarding corruption, I'm not saying USA isn't corrupt or that Qatar is. I'm just saying that FIFA is ridiculously corrupt, which has been proven recently.

Regarding the fact that USA hosted its one World Cup kind of recently (did I mention it was the best-attended World Cup in history?), I'm sure you didn't mind Canada hosting 3 Olympics in 34 years.

I agree... it might be good for the region, but it's terrible for fans... the heat, the accessibility, etc is going to be huge issues for fans (the vast majority of which come from the US & Europe).

And these hundreds of millions of dollars are going to build stadiums, hotels, airport improvements etc.... then after a few weeks, what happens to them? is Qatar going to suddenly be a tourism destination.

There is also one other thing that FIFA should take into account what selecting a host country . . . make sure they don't have any traditional musical instruments that are capable of annoying the world for several months.

Black Diamond

Jason P wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Having established stadiums means that the tournament will have a smaller carbon footprint, which is something that these people supposedly care about (guess not). Also, having established flight routes for people to actually get to the tournament. How the fuck is anyone supposed to get to Qatar? How about having enough space to fit all the people who are theoretically going to attend the tournament. How about having appropriate weather for people to gather in public spaces?

Like I said, repeatedly, I have no problem with other, qualified, countries winning, like South Africa, Australia, England, Canada, whatever. Also, regarding corruption, I'm not saying USA isn't corrupt or that Qatar is. I'm just saying that FIFA is ridiculously corrupt, which has been proven recently.

Regarding the fact that USA hosted its one World Cup kind of recently (did I mention it was the best-attended World Cup in history?), I'm sure you didn't mind Canada hosting 3 Olympics in 34 years.

I agree... it might be good for the region, but it's terrible for fans... the heat, the accessibility, etc is going to be huge issues for fans (the vast majority of which come from the US & Europe).

And these hundreds of millions of dollars are going to build stadiums, hotels, airport improvements etc.... then after a few weeks, what happens to them? is Qatar going to suddenly be a tourism destination.

There is also one other thing that FIFA should take into account what selecting a host country . . . make sure they don't have any traditional musical instruments that are capable of annoying the world for several months.

OMG!! My freaking 10 year old brought one home from camp (they watched the World Cup) and it was a toss up of which to throw out... The Vuvuzela or my kid

blackredyellow

polaris_x wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Everyone seems to understand this logic except for FIFA and Polaris. Unfortunately FIFA makes the decisions.

haha ... i guess you don't have a response to my points ... but continue to show your entitlement issues ... 2 world cups in 7 events? ... please ... how selfish can a country get?

I couldn't care less if it's ever in the US again, I'm not questioning Qatar because I think anyone is "entitled" to it. It has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement... it has to to with logistics, accessibility and common sense.

polaris_x

blackredyellow wrote:

I couldn't care less if it's ever in the US again, I'm not questioning Qatar because I think anyone is "entitled" to it. It has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement... it has to to with logistics, accessibility and common sense.

you may not see it that way ... but who else is complaining that its in qatar ... i'm sure the people in the middle east aren't complaining ...

http://www.soccerblog.com/2010/12/qatar ... ld-cup.htm

Johnny Abruzzo

blackredyellow wrote:

I couldn't care less if it's ever in the US again, I'm not questioning Qatar because I think anyone is "entitled" to it. It has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement... it has to to with logistics, accessibility and common sense.

Oh no no no, logistics, accesibility & common sense have nothing to do with it. We are just selfish, ignorant Americans who want the whole world's attention on us at every moment. :roll: I don't know why you must insist that all Americans are like this. I was very happy for Japan, Korea & South Africa to put on successful, enjoyable World Cups.

Seriously, how many times do I have to say it? If we lost to Russia, Australia or England, I'd be offering sportsmanlike congratulations, knowing that they are a perfect candidate for such a thing - plenty of cities, space, infrastructure. But I just can't accept losing to Qatar as anything more than a bunch of FIFA cronies getting even richer.

pjsteelerfan

polaris_x wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Everyone seems to understand this logic except for FIFA and Polaris. Unfortunately FIFA makes the decisions.

haha ... i guess you don't have a response to my points ... but continue to show your entitlement issues ... 2 world cups in 7 events? ... please ... how selfish can a country get?

OK then considering entitlement, Brazil is going to have it for the 2nd time. Is that selfish, or do they get a pass since they won it 5 times. Mexico actually had it twice within 5 world cups. Should they be barred from hosting it again? France, Italy, and Germany have all hosted twice as well. Europe has hosted it 10 times, so should they automatically be out of the running for a while? Are all these countries selfish?

Johnny Abruzzo

pjsteelerfan wrote:

OK then considering entitlement, Brazil is going to have it for the 2nd time. Is that selfish, or do they get a pass since they won it 5 times. Mexico actually had it twice within 5 world cups. Should they be barred from hosting it again? France, Italy, and Germany have all hosted twice as well. Europe has hosted it 10 times, so should they automatically be out of the running for a while? Are all these countries selfish?

Germany hosted in 1974 & 2006 - 32 years apart, which is just 4 more than USA would've had. Nobody called them selfish.

polaris_x

aside from the heat ... which is strictly a comfort issue ... i don't see anyone giving me any reasons why Qatar shouldn't be hosting this ...

let's face it ... the organizers and bidders of these events all want the world cup for selfish reasons ... and yes, i think if a country like mexico who's had it multiple times and/or brazil should refrain from bidding ... most definitely ... same goes for japan/korea ... at the same time, i recognize that only certain countries are interested and have the resources to hold this event so, you will see a lot of the same countries pop up ...

again - there is no issue preventing Qatar from hosting this event ... like the link i sent indicated ... they took over the youth world cup after another country failed and put it together in a short period of time ... they have shown they can pull this thing off ...

i may concede entitlement to you guys tho ... but then maybe i'd move to racism? ...

Johnny Abruzzo

Mexico was the backup in 1986. I believe it was because Columbia had a terrible earthquake.

As far as heat being a matter of "discomfort," 120 degrees is a little more than uncomfortable. Otherwise, sure, I guess Qatar can do it, apparently. That doesn't mean it's not wasteful and illogical.

polaris_x

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Mexico was the backup in 1986. I believe it was because Columbia had a terrible earthquake.

As far as heat being a matter of "discomfort," 120 degrees is a little more than uncomfortable. Otherwise, sure, I guess Qatar can do it, apparently. That doesn't mean it's not wasteful and illogical.

it's a dry heat ...

i'm still waiting to see how it's anymore wasteful than any other bid ... or how it is illogical ... all the venues will be within an hour of each other ... if anything that is more efficient than hosting in the US where they would spread it out across the country and people would have to fly to different regions if their team moves on ... all media and the like will be hosted in one central spot with access to all venues ...

Johnny Abruzzo

polaris_x wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Mexico was the backup in 1986. I believe it was because Columbia had a terrible earthquake.

As far as heat being a matter of "discomfort," 120 degrees is a little more than uncomfortable. Otherwise, sure, I guess Qatar can do it, apparently. That doesn't mean it's not wasteful and illogical.

it's a dry heat ...

i'm still waiting to see how it's anymore wasteful than any other bid ... or how it is illogical ... all the venues will be within an hour of each other ... if anything that is more efficient than hosting in the US where they would spread it out across the country and people would have to fly to different regions if their team moves on ... all media and the like will be hosted in one central spot with access to all venues ...

Come on - isn't it silly to build 9 new stadiums that will be used for one month? I know they're prettier than Meadowlands Stadium ( ), but still. And I still don't know how everyone's gonna get there. Are all the world's airplanes gonna fly to Qatar for one week? How does one even fly to Qatar?

polaris_x

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Come on - isn't it silly to build 9 new stadiums that will be used for one month? I know they're prettier than Meadowlands Stadium ( ), but still. And I still don't know how everyone's gonna get there. Are all the world's airplanes gonna fly to Qatar for one week? How does one even fly to Qatar?

Apparently, they are going to disassemble and give to poorer countries. People will fly - carriers alter routes based on demand all the time. It's really not going to be a big deal getting there. They will have a world class airport. You folks do realize that Qatar is considered a developed country and has like one of the highest per capita incomes in the world. If no one griped about South Africa - there really isn't anything to gripe about with Qatar.

Cliffy6745

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Mexico was the backup in 1986. I believe it was because Columbia had a terrible earthquake.

As far as heat being a matter of "discomfort," 120 degrees is a little more than uncomfortable. Otherwise, sure, I guess Qatar can do it, apparently. That doesn't mean it's not wasteful and illogical.

it's a dry heat ...

i'm still waiting to see how it's anymore wasteful than any other bid ... or how it is illogical ... all the venues will be within an hour of each other ... if anything that is more efficient than hosting in the US where they would spread it out across the country and people would have to fly to different regions if their team moves on ... all media and the like will be hosted in one central spot with access to all venues ...

Come on - isn't it silly to build 9 new stadiums that will be used for one month? I know they're prettier than Meadowlands Stadium ( ), but still. And I still don't know how everyone's gonna get there. Are all the world's airplanes gonna fly to Qatar for one week? How does one even fly to Qatar?

The stadiums are going to be kits that are going to be deconstructed and shipped to different places in the middle east and rebuilt.

catefrances

polaris_x wrote:

aside from the heat ... which is strictly a comfort issue ... i don't see anyone giving me any reasons why Qatar shouldn't be hosting this ...

australia has a proven record for hosting big events like the world cup. sport is what we do and we do it well. we have an enthusiast and multi ethnic base who live and breathe soccer every day. we have several top players involved in the english premier league, which would have to be the top soccer championship in the world. we also have a national soccer comp and a solid grassroots base. we already have mutliple stadiums capable of handling the matches. and we have other lesser stadiums already built that need only an upgrade to get them ready. there is no doubt in mind that the entire australian nation would have been behind this, as we always are when given the repsonsibility of being the host nation for international sporting events.

i dont know why qatar shouldnt be hosting the world cup but i know why australia is infinitely more qualified to do so.

Given to...

just from reading a few pages here, I cant find a reason why Qatar should host anything

Franny

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The stadiums are going to be kits that are going to be deconstructed and shipped to different places in the middle east and rebuilt.

They are working closing with the designers from IKEA on this.

redrock

It won't be the first time Qatar organises something 'big' - they have hosted the Asian Games a few years back.

Also, 'technology' will enable them to keep their stadiums cool.

Sour grapes all of this.

pjfan31

First world cup played in a sandpit.

jeffbr

polaris_x wrote:

aside from the heat ... which is strictly a comfort issue ... i don't see anyone giving me any reasons why Qatar shouldn't be hosting this ...

FIFA does technical inspections on each of the bidding countries. For the 2018 and 2022 bids all but 2 countries were not categorized as "low" risk: Russia and Qatar.

There was only 1 country that received a "high" risk designation: Qatar. Russia was "medium" risk.

FIFA's own technical inspection committee found plenty of reasons why Qatar is suboptimal. But the FIFA executive committee obviously felt that the political and commercial aspects of selecting those 2 countries outweighed the negative logistical, environmental and infrastructure issues. Qatar will sell about 1/2 the number of tickets the US would have. Qatar will bring in less revenue from the event than a number of bidders. But petrodollars spoke louder than logic.

Jason P

So FIFA is warning the gay community to avoid Qatar because they may be persecuted. I guess FIFA overlooked this when taking their bribes, uh, I mean making a well informed decision in selecting the host country. Good times ...

http://sports.yahoo.com/soccer/news?slug=ap-blatter-gaycomment