TCU joining the Big East

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

marcos wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

from the mountain west to the big east. makes a lot of sense
this is for all sports too. the basketball big east needs to get rid of teams, not add them.

wonder if nova's gonna accept the football invite....

It doesn't make sense but the Big 12 won't let them in because of the Texas team glut already there, PAC-10/12, Big 10, ACC, and SEC are overcrowded, so there's no choice in the way of BCS conference. It will be good for the Big East as far as television market is concerned. Of course geography and travel doesn't make sense but the Cowboys are in the NFC east in the pros and college kids are pampered now in the way of travel as well, so it really doesn't make a difference.

And Nova will not join the Big East in football because they are happy where they are and will not step up to the challenge. That school is not about challenges and would rather be a big fish in a small pond.

that's not the issue with nova. the issue is their basketball program. they're at a distinct disadvantage money wise right with not having a d-1 football program. i think they'll bite the bullet and suck in the big east just for the added revenue. the other issue, then, is where they will play and if they'll draw any fans. nova is such a small school...

if they make the move they are almost assuradly are going to play at PPL Park in Chester, home of the soccer Philadelphia Union. they have almost no other choices as their on campus stadium is not large enough and Radnor Township will never let them expand. The township fought them tooth and nail on the Pavillion thus the ridiculous design that place has. the biggest obstacle for Nova is the initial investment for the improvement in facilities, additional scholarships plus additional women's scholaraships to accommodate Title IX. Word I've seen is that the initial investment would be around $50 million. Once the investment is made though the bottom line costs are pretty much the same as they are today because their revenues will increase dramatically. Also I've seen some comments from Nova people that their current President is not a 'sports' guy and wants to invest the money into an on-campus Arts center. Tough decision for sure. Without football does the Big East kick out the non-football schools and Nova ends up in a catholic league basketball league? that is the concern from the Nova side that if they don't move up it is going to throw their basketball program into a so-called mid-major type league.

The Juggler

Bizarro wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

that's not the issue with nova. the issue is their basketball program. they're at a distinct disadvantage money wise right with not having a d-1 football program. i think they'll bite the bullet and suck in the big east just for the added revenue. the other issue, then, is where they will play and if they'll draw any fans. nova is such a small school...

other schools with basketball programs with out d1 football

Butler
Gonzanga

i'm sure the list goes on, but i'm too lazy to look it up right now

right.
nova is the only school in the top 25 right now without a d-1 football program. the amount of sustained success they've been able to have over the years is really impressive.


edit--also georgetown.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

marcos wrote:

It doesn't make sense but the Big 12 won't let them in because of the Texas team glut already there, PAC-10/12, Big 10, ACC, and SEC are overcrowded, so there's no choice in the way of BCS conference. It will be good for the Big East as far as television market is concerned. Of course geography and travel doesn't make sense but the Cowboys are in the NFC east in the pros and college kids are pampered now in the way of travel as well, so it really doesn't make a difference.

And Nova will not join the Big East in football because they are happy where they are and will not step up to the challenge. That school is not about challenges and would rather be a big fish in a small pond.

that's not the issue with nova. the issue is their basketball program. they're at a distinct disadvantage money wise right with not having a d-1 football program. i think they'll bite the bullet and suck in the big east just for the added revenue. the other issue, then, is where they will play and if they'll draw any fans. nova is such a small school...

if they make the move they are almost assuradly are going to play at PPL Park in Chester, home of the soccer Philadelphia Union. they have almost no other choices as their on campus stadium is not large enough and Radnor Township will never let them expand. The township fought them tooth and nail on the Pavillion thus the ridiculous design that place has. the biggest obstacle for Nova is the initial investment for the improvement in facilities, additional scholarships plus additional women's scholaraships to accommodate Title IX. Word I've seen is that the initial investment would be around $50 million. Once the investment is made though the bottom line costs are pretty much the same as they are today because their revenues will increase dramatically. Also I've seen some comments from Nova people that their current President is not a 'sports' guy and wants to invest the money into an on-campus Arts center. Tough decision for sure. Without football does the Big East kick out the non-football schools and Nova ends up in a catholic league basketball league? that is the concern from the Nova side that if they don't move up it is going to throw their basketball program into a so-called mid-major type league.

yeah ppl is the most likely choice. i'd say they get about 3,000 people at most at their games now. so it will be tough to convince 20,000 nova students/alumni to travel into the depths of hell to watch their football team get slaughtered in the big east.

no chance of them playing on campus. there's just no room there.

FenwayFaithful

You sure know a lot about Nova, Jeags. Providence>Villanova. Also, PC's been ravaged by Title IX. That's all I gotta say.

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The Jeagler wrote:

Bizarro wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

that's not the issue with nova. the issue is their basketball program. they're at a distinct disadvantage money wise right with not having a d-1 football program. i think they'll bite the bullet and suck in the big east just for the added revenue. the other issue, then, is where they will play and if they'll draw any fans. nova is such a small school...

other schools with basketball programs with out d1 football

Butler
Gonzanga

i'm sure the list goes on, but i'm too lazy to look it up right now

right.
nova is the only school in the top 25 right now without a d-1 football program. the amount of sustained success they've been able to have over the years is really impressive.


edit--also georgetown.

looking at RPI top 25

appalation state (although they are better than some D1 schools in football, i'm looking at you Michigan)
Sam Houston
St. Johns
Vermont
Old Dominion
Robert Morris
Cleveland State

if you include the USA Today poll you need to add Gonzaga to the georgetown & nova list.

anyways, i don't think you need a big time football program to have a big time basketball program. there are alot of programs in the top 25 that generally have a bad D1 football program

The Juggler

Bizarro wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Bizarro wrote:

other schools with basketball programs with out d1 football

Butler
Gonzanga

i'm sure the list goes on, but i'm too lazy to look it up right now

right.
nova is the only school in the top 25 right now without a d-1 football program. the amount of sustained success they've been able to have over the years is really impressive.


edit--also georgetown.

looking at RPI top 25

appalation state (although they are better than some D1 schools in football, i'm looking at you Michigan)
Sam Houston
St. Johns
Vermont
Old Dominion
Robert Morris
Cleveland State

if you include the USA Today poll you need to add Gonzaga to the georgetown & nova list.

anyways, i don't think you need a big time football program to have a big time basketball program. there are alot of programs in the top 25 that generally have a bad D1 football program

dude. you're gonna give me the sam houston's and cleveland state's of the world? other than st johns (who has not much success at all in the last two decades), these are all mid major teams who are just happy with getting into the tournment...and then they go home at the end of the first weekend....unless they are that year's cinderella.

nova and g-town...and gonzaga to a lesser extent are competing at an elite level year in, year out. they have legitamate shots at trying to get to the final four and win a championship. the same cannot be said for any of these teams you mention.

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

dude. you're gonna give me the sam houston's and cleveland state's of the world? other than st johns (who has not much success at all in the last two decades), these are all mid major teams who are just happy with getting into the tournment...and then they go home at the end of the first weekend....unless they are that year's cinderella.

nova and g-town...and gonzaga to a lesser extent are competing at an elite level year in, year out. they have legitamate shots at trying to get to the final four and win a championship. the same cannot be said for any of these teams you mention.

Xavier as well does not have D1 football and does pretty damn well. I'd say Nova, Gtown, Xavier and Gonzaga are the tops Non-D1 hoops programs. There is probably a few more i am missing but those are the top 4 I'd say.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

dude. you're gonna give me the sam houston's and cleveland state's of the world? other than st johns (who has not much success at all in the last two decades), these are all mid major teams who are just happy with getting into the tournment...and then they go home at the end of the first weekend....unless they are that year's cinderella.

nova and g-town...and gonzaga to a lesser extent are competing at an elite level year in, year out. they have legitamate shots at trying to get to the final four and win a championship. the same cannot be said for any of these teams you mention.

Xavier as well does not have D1 football and does pretty damn well. I'd say Nova, Gtown, Xavier and Gonzaga are the tops Non-D1 hoops programs. There is probably a few more i am missing but those are the top 4 I'd say.

yeah xavier is usually pretty good. i was just talking about who is in top 25 right now though. having a d-1 football program (bcs eligable conference especially) is clearly a huge advantage.

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The Jeagler wrote:

having a d-1 football program (bcs eligable conference especially) is clearly a huge advantage.

take away football from Duke, NC, Michigan State, KY, & Purdue. Do you think these basketball programs would go down the shitter?

The Juggler

Bizarro wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

having a d-1 football program (bcs eligable conference especially) is clearly a huge advantage.

take away football from Duke, NC, Michigan State, KY, & Purdue. Do you think these basketball programs would go down the shitter?

i don't know. they'd lose a ton of resources and probably, over time, decline. you cannot deny the one constant that exists with all the major college basketball programs.

marcos

The Jeagler wrote:

tough to convince 20,000 nova students/alumni to travel into the depths of hell to watch their football team get slaughtered in the big east.

no chance of them playing on campus. there's just no room there.

I like that, "the depths of hell" to describe poor Chester. I'm a St. Joe's guy and would love to have the Big East back in town even if it's Nova and Chester. But I'm just desperate for college football in Philly even if I have to go to Chester and watch the Wildcats but I'm not sure how many Nova people are into the Football program as you mentioned. But the Big East is probably the weakest of the BCS divisions with an automatic bid. They gotta start somewhere.

Gary Carter

mfc2006 wrote:

hmmm...the big 12 would have made more sense for TCU (in terms of location). the whole system is an absolute MESS.

PLAYOFF would solve all of this

take the top 8 or 10 teams and put em in a playoff