House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits
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"if you are a millionaire we will fight til the death to give you a tax break, but if you are unemployed, fuck you, get a job!"
today, this move makes me ashamed to be an american.
seriously though, how can these people justify this position to the american people??? fight for the rich, fuck the out of work... :roll: get ready for more of this sort of thing to happen...hope you people are happy with what we are going to have come january...just don't get sick and god forbid, don't lose your job..
House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101118/ap_ ... s_benefits
WASHINGTON – Republicans in the House Thursday blocked a bill that would have extended jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed beyond the holiday season. An extension of jobless benefits enacted this summer expires Dec. 1, and unless they are renewed, two million people will lose benefits averaging $310 a week nationwide by the end of December.
The failed measure would have extended jobless benefits through the end of February at a cost of adding $12.5 billion to the nation's debt. Republicans opposing the legislation said the measure should be paid for by cutting unspent money from last year's economic stimulus bill.
The White House criticized Congress for failing to renew unemployment benefits with the holiday break approaching.
"I don't think we want to leave here having fought for tax cuts for millionaires and against unemployment insurance for those that have lost their jobs," spokesman Robert Gibbs said.
Democrats brought the measure to the floor under fast-track rules that required a two-thirds vote to pass, so the measure fell despite winning a 258-154 majority. Republicans blasted the move since it denied them an opportunity to try to offset its cost.
"The fact is, we can both provide this help and pay for it by cutting less effective stimulus spending," said Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La. "That's what we should be debating today."
Efforts to renew federally paid jobless benefits for people who have been out of work for more than half a year has bedeviled Congress for much of the year.
Every recession since 1950 has featured an extended federal benefits program financed with deficit dollars. That's a precedent Democrats refused to break when battling with Republicans for months earlier this year to extend the program.
Republicans didn't pay any political price for stalling efforts earlier this year to extend jobless benefits that provide critical help to the unemployed — including a seven-week stretch over the summer when jobless benefits were a piece of a failed Democratic tax and jobs bill.
But allowing benefits to expire in the holiday season may draw negative attention to Republicans, especially when measured against their insistence that tax cuts for upper-income taxpayers not be allowed to expire.
"We have never cut off benefits for out-of-work Americans where the unemployment rates have been this high," said Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash. "Without this extension, temporary federal extended benefits will shut down ... denying benefits to two million of our fellow citizens over the holiday season."
Senate Democrats say they have no plans to bring the measure up as a stand-alone bill, but efforts to renew benefits are likely to get drawn into negotiations over taxes and other important year-end legislation.
"We will continue to work for an emergency short-term extension to get families through the holidays," promised House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
today, this move makes me ashamed to be an american.
seriously though, how can these people justify this position to the american people??? fight for the rich, fuck the out of work... :roll: get ready for more of this sort of thing to happen...hope you people are happy with what we are going to have come january...just don't get sick and god forbid, don't lose your job..
House GOP blocks bill to extend jobless benefits
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101118/ap_ ... s_benefits
WASHINGTON – Republicans in the House Thursday blocked a bill that would have extended jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed beyond the holiday season. An extension of jobless benefits enacted this summer expires Dec. 1, and unless they are renewed, two million people will lose benefits averaging $310 a week nationwide by the end of December.
The failed measure would have extended jobless benefits through the end of February at a cost of adding $12.5 billion to the nation's debt. Republicans opposing the legislation said the measure should be paid for by cutting unspent money from last year's economic stimulus bill.
The White House criticized Congress for failing to renew unemployment benefits with the holiday break approaching.
"I don't think we want to leave here having fought for tax cuts for millionaires and against unemployment insurance for those that have lost their jobs," spokesman Robert Gibbs said.
Democrats brought the measure to the floor under fast-track rules that required a two-thirds vote to pass, so the measure fell despite winning a 258-154 majority. Republicans blasted the move since it denied them an opportunity to try to offset its cost.
"The fact is, we can both provide this help and pay for it by cutting less effective stimulus spending," said Rep. Charles Boustany, R-La. "That's what we should be debating today."
Efforts to renew federally paid jobless benefits for people who have been out of work for more than half a year has bedeviled Congress for much of the year.
Every recession since 1950 has featured an extended federal benefits program financed with deficit dollars. That's a precedent Democrats refused to break when battling with Republicans for months earlier this year to extend the program.
Republicans didn't pay any political price for stalling efforts earlier this year to extend jobless benefits that provide critical help to the unemployed — including a seven-week stretch over the summer when jobless benefits were a piece of a failed Democratic tax and jobs bill.
But allowing benefits to expire in the holiday season may draw negative attention to Republicans, especially when measured against their insistence that tax cuts for upper-income taxpayers not be allowed to expire.
"We have never cut off benefits for out-of-work Americans where the unemployment rates have been this high," said Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash. "Without this extension, temporary federal extended benefits will shut down ... denying benefits to two million of our fellow citizens over the holiday season."
Senate Democrats say they have no plans to bring the measure up as a stand-alone bill, but efforts to renew benefits are likely to get drawn into negotiations over taxes and other important year-end legislation.
"We will continue to work for an emergency short-term extension to get families through the holidays," promised House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.
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Would you agree that AT SOME POINT jobless benefits should run out? So what point should that be?
And if they are to be indefinite, let's just call them welfare....oh and realize we've just given the incentive to a bunch of people to not work.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i do not have the answers, i am not an elected official, but i do know that my priority would be trying to find some sort of work for these people. spent money on infrastructure, that will employ millions of people. we have bridges built 50 years ago. thos things do not maintain themselves...
i would start by fining corporations for shipping jobs overseas and giving them a favorable tax incentive to move jobs back over here. if these politicians are so "patriotic" they would recognize that allowing jobs to be moved overseas and stopping benefits is the most unpatriotic thing they can do..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I am, but am currently considered 'disabled' and cannot work. I am entitled to no benefits, because I'm only disabled for about a year, which disqualifies me.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Sm ... st=1690318
"In deep recessions, it’s not unusual for unemployment benefits to be extended temporarily. About 11.4 million Americans are now receiving benefits, about half for more than six months, according to The Washington Post. They're available for nearly two years in the states with the highest unemployment rates."
The beginning of the article says that some people get it up to 99 weeks... That's damn close to two years to find work.
While I recognize the intent of extending benefits is supposed to help people through tough times, there certainly has to be a point where it stops. The fact is, people are being incentivized to NOT work the longer these last-- some aren't even attempting to find work. I know people who have lost their jobs and don't even entertain the idea of trying to find something for themselves until several months into their unemployment. Some are taking advantage of the money they've actually paid into this system (why not?), and some are just content with the levels of money the receive not working versus having to get up and work everyday.
If these types of progams are going to exist, there is a very delicate balance as to how long they shoud exist for and how much. It does endanger businesses who are somehow surviving in the stagnant times which could be hiring people and getting productivity out of them instead of raising prices and trimming back their own workforces, and therefore being forced to pay for even more people to collect unemployment. An employer's ideas on this are simple: why pay for your people to be on the breadline and get nothing out of it, when you can pay them more and make more yourself by getting productivity out of it?
The idea of having benefits / extending them for the jobless is a noble, but the mechanics are incredibly flawed. Are some of the people voting against this cold-hearted pricks? Probably. Do some of them firmly believe that this will in fact only produce more joblessness and actually ARE voting compassionately? Absolutely.
There a million other places where our government really needs to cut back. Overseas military spending is number one, and that should be done first. At first glance, this does seem heartless, but there definitely are potential negative implications to extending these benefits.
it is obvious what they are doing. they are going to wait until the new house is seated, then as a blow to obama and the dems, pass it and say "see, look what we got done, new unemployment benefits..." bastards..
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Before I get flamed, I was on unemployment for 14 months but I got off my ass, went to school (which I paid for) and got a job for $20 per hour.
There are jobs out there, it's just that people make more on unemployment. They don't want to cut their expendetures so they suck on the government tit.
When in a dryspell sometimes one must lower standards.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
We could spend 10+ billion a MONTH on a BULL SHIT WAR! We can give the Jewish State of Israel 3+ billion to kill innocent people, but we can't give a single American $300 to stay afloat- How much has that one American given to his country?
I know there are some people who take advantage of the system, but is that really any excuse to not help out the vast majority of unemployed American's? Besides that money goes right back to where it came from!! In CA you cannot survive on 300 a week! Average rent in my surrounding areas is about $1600.
Where are all the Conservative Patriots at? Where is Sarah Palin and why isn't John Boehner crying?
Give me a Freaking break! What f@!ing joke!
I'm sure it all ties back to illegal immigration. :roll:
I don't think this applies to the majority, but I believe it. I've seen it with people I know personally. Does that mean it's everyone? No.
But think for a second...you were a highly paid salesman...now out of work...do you get a job at the convenience store? That would be a tough pill to swallow for most and if unemployment is there for a long time, no reason to drop your standards. So I think this could be part of the problem.
i think we need to make these representatives live on unemployment benefits instead of their normal salary. either that or don't pay them at all. see how they like it...it is not like they are working for us or anything...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm in complete agreement on this, we absolutely need to punish these corporations that are sending jobs overseas.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/taxes ... /19539812/
Foxconn, a Chinese computer, cell phone and electronics manufacturer, employs 800,000 people, while Silicon Valley unemployment remains higher than the national average. Foxconn, which has made headlines after a spate of worker suicides, has 250,000 employees making Apple (AAPL) iMacs, iPods and iPhones alone. For every Apple worker in the U.S., 10 people in China are manufacturing the company's products.
and now a few million americans need $300 a week (which does not even cover rent and utilities) and they are being denied?
this is a blatant glaring example of who the state serves. they serve the opulent minority at the hard working majority's expense.
lets deny two million people benefits which will average $310 a week.
the $60 billion dollar arms deal that the US government recently announced with the Saudis would cover that. yeah?
motherfuckers.
time to admit to yourselves that oil is more precious to your Government than you are.
I think everyone here knows that.
What country are you from?
i think extending benefits, even with a crazy deficit is justified
if everyone knows it why don't they do something about it?
and i'm an Australian who has worked in the country long enough to hold a valid opinion. although i fail to see what relevance that has to the discussion.
I agree with you on the politicians salary, they should not get rich after entering politics.
I'm talking about the office guy that gets laid off, he could take a job stocking shelves at Target.
Some of us are. Shall we hold the politicians at gunpoint to get them to vote out favoritism to countries that supply us oil while oppressing others?
I believe the answer is already there, Ron Paul. Big media won't let that happen however and many Americans do not research a candidate before voting. It is sad that people are so oblivious.
I often post up comments about this on FB, I believe I gave you the link at one time. I figured you were not interested in my opinions since we never connected there. I think your idea of what I'm after politically would change had you read some of what I've said.
I asked about your country because I find that when I converse with someone that is not from the US it might give me a better understanding of that person's opinion if I knew a bit about them. It makes for a more thoughtful discussion, in my opinion. Don't be so defensive.
Not really.
Wait a minute. Correct me if I am wrong GST but aren't you one of those that says the Chinese deserve jobs too? If not I apologize in advance.
i am all for human rights and jobs for everyone, but we really need to take some time and work on our own domestic problems instead of going out and nation building when there are no jobs here and the corporations are robbing this government and it's tax payers blind.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i've already said that if i could, i would vote for ron paul based on his foreign policy alone.
and as for the fb link, i do remember that. some of my workmates and i generously donated a small amount to the CCPI. great cause.
So no evidence, huh?