Can Kanye please shutup...

StickmanJam

musicismylife78 wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I feel sorry for the guy. The taylor incident affected him more than we will ever know, its quite clear from the inerviews he's done since then, it truely changed him. So are we really gonna keep nailing this guy to the cross everytime his name is brought up.

Why feel sorry for him for that? I feel sorry for ONE person in that incident, and that's Taylor Swift.I've made my mistakes, and I have to live with them. He should too.I think he showed a lot about his character in that moment. He's very talented, but he seems to be VERY out of touch with reality.

i feel sorry for kanye because the media uproar and outrage that came out of the incident was not balanced with the magnitude of the incident. This was a guy who came onstage as taylor was speaker, took the mic from her, and said he felt beyonce deserved the award and not taylor. thats it..thats all that happened. to contnually act like the guy is the devil personified over a year later, is beyond absurd, and it surprises me more people on here arent at least sympathetic to his plight post taylor swift.

forget your opinion of him in general, this incident alone, and the media response to it was outrageous. it didnt need to be covered to the extent that it was.

people act like he went on stage and undressed and did some lewd act or something. he went onstage and said someone else deserved the award. end of story. period.

Are you Kanye's brother or something?

Why in the hell would you ever feel sorry for him? He made a choice to upstage someone and perform one of the most classless acts I've seen at an awards show, if not the most. As far as I'm concerned, he deserved everything he had coming for him.

Taylor will never get that moment back. Never. Why aren't we feeling sorry for her? A young kid who won her first MTV award (a big deal for someone in pop music), had it taken away by someone who for too long thought he was bigger than music, and bigger than any room he entered.

Put the pom-poms down and please stop downplaying what he did.

musicismylife78

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Are you Kanye's brother or something?

Why in the hell would you ever feel sorry for him? He made a choice to upstage someone and perform one of the most classless acts I've seen at an awards show, if not the most. As far as I'm concerned, he deserved everything he had coming for him.

Taylor will never get that moment back. Never. Why aren't we feeling sorry for her? A young kid who won her first MTV award (a big deal for someone in pop music), had it taken away by someone who for too long thought he was bigger than music, and bigger than any room he entered.

Put the pom-poms down and please stop downplaying what he did.[/quote]


so in the last year and change that has gone by since the incident, he hasnt recieved any negative press? You make it sound like he raped someone and has to pay or something. The incident was in september of 2009. is november of 2010 last time i checked. When is the statute of limitatons up on this one? Kanye apologized. I even heard he called taylor, and talked to her AND her mother. Taylor forgave him and wrote a song on her new album about him, where she seemed to say he did something wrong, but that it was a mistake and that she even sort of understands what he is gong through. So, what more can be done friend? if taylor forgives him and he's apoligized, what exactly can he do? He messed up at an awards show. The media uproar about it MORE than made up for it. With the president even calling Kanye a bad name.

I dont think I or anyone else downplayed what he did. He paid for it. I think from the sounds of it, he has had to deal with people who feel he did wrong, and dont just say so on a message board, they actually say it to him face to face, enough to warrant him feeling like he couldnt stay in america anymore.

Im not his cheerleader. If you can read at all I called him an egoist, but i also think the punishment should fit the crime. Calling taylor and apoligizing, and apoligizing to her mom Im sure were not easy things to do, and Im sure that was pretty incomfortable for kanye. But he did it, and taylor seems to feel it was a genuine apology.

Lil Mama came onstage during the Jay and Alicia Empire song and interupted their routine. Jay and Alicia were upset, and they talked about it in the press, but Lil Mamas actions didnt recieve the same amount of press. Why? Is Lil Mama's career now totally defined by her actions? And do you think Jay and Alicia sit up at night worrying about that night?

I live in a world where you cant erase your actions. I dont know of a way to turn back time, and have taylor swift get to give her speech uninterupted, and have kanye stay in his seat and not say anything, not go onstage. There is no way for us to alter what happened. It happened. The offender saw he did wrong, apoligized, and the wronged party accepted said apology and seemed to even feel sorry for him. What are we hoping for beyond that people? What can be done?

He made a mistake and was sharply and widely criticized, he made amends, he was forgiven and he tried to move on. I dont get the ongoing nature of this as I said. What about it smacks of not forgiving kanye and not letting him live his life without bringing up what happened?

People act dumb at award shows. They get drunk or get high, they act stupid. You ever seen an awards show on MTV? This was maybe the most watched awards show of the entire decade because of this incident. People make outrageous jokes and push the line.

Its one thing to tell me that taylor was still hurting from this incident, or if kanye didnt reach out after the fact.

I refuse to bash the guy just because everyone else does. And I refuse to bash him for something so minor and for something that is such a non issue.

What can kanye do to alleviate this incident? Apologize? Check. Apologize to victims mother? Check. See error of ways and publicly admit they made a mistake? Check. Get the apology recognied and accepted by the victim? Check.

catefrances

yeah not really seeing taylor swift as a victim here. some dumbarse comes onstage during her acceptance and makes an arse of himself. thats all that happened. no one was hurt. couldve done with some of that at the australian recording industry awards last weekend cause they were an absolute snoozefest. wheres our kanye australia, wheres our kanye??

StickmanJam

What can kanye do to alleviate this incident? Apologize? Check. Apologize to victims mother? Check. See error of ways and publicly admit they made a mistake? Check. Get the apology recognied and accepted by the victim? Check.[/quote]

Just because he passed your little checklist there, doesn't mean that people have to like him. It's everyone's own prerogative to either like the guy or not, I don't care that he apologized. That's great, he's still a jackass.

I thought that before the Taylor incident after he bitched every freakin' year he didn't win an award at the VMA's. The Taylor incident just made him look more like an idiot.

And of course he got negative press, and as I said before, well deserved. I don't feel bad that the guy had to run away out of the country, no one forced him out of here. He did that himself.

And as for what else does the man have to do? Nothing. I don't think he owes me anything. I just think the guy is a grade A wanker.

moses-i

Man this newsgroup should just officially change its name from the Ten Club Community to the Hate On Kanye Community. In terms of the whole Taylor Swift thing, Kanye really pissed me off and I think he was 100 percent wrong for doing it. I think he can be a jackass sometimes but that doesn't change the fact that his music is incredibly innovative considering how lame hip hop has become (if you don't believe me, check out his new album when it comes out in a couple weeks-it is a straight up classic!). What I think is real sad is that Kanye gets all this grief about the whole Taylor incident (which was a) on MTV and he basically pointed out how irrelevant and biased the awards are anyway and b)if anything it HELPED her career), but people like Chris Brown still have careers. Chris Brown got less villified for what he did. And let's be honest here-why has Chris Brown's brutal beating of Rihanna been largely forgiven and Kanye still gets crap for the Taylor incident? Maybe, just maybe because Kanye is a black male who cut off a nice, pretty, white girl who sings country music. We know the media is racist and biased and anyone who disagrees is naive-there have been countless examples of "missing white girl" syndrome. More importantly, in the greater scheme of things I don't care what he said about Bush or what he did to Taylor, I think the lamest thing her ever said or did was when he basically said that reading is stupid. But no one really cares about that-probably none of you anti-Kanyites registered that one. Kanye is a jerk-that's fine but just shut up about how much you hate him. All you are doing is giving him press. If you hate someone, why waste your time talking about them. He isn't wasting his time tweeting about YOU. It's simple if you don't like an artist, don't buy his music or watch his videos or read about them or whatever.

StickmanJam

moses-i wrote:

Man this newsgroup should just officially change its name from the Ten Club Community to the Hate On Kanye Community. In terms of the whole Taylor Swift thing, Kanye really pissed me off and I think he was 100 percent wrong for doing it. I think he can be a jackass sometimes but that doesn't change the fact that his music is incredibly innovative considering how lame hip hop has become (if you don't believe me, check out his new album when it comes out in a couple weeks-it is a straight up classic!). What I think is real sad is that Kanye gets all this grief about the whole Taylor incident (which was a) on MTV and he basically pointed out how irrelevant and biased the awards are anyway and b)if anything it HELPED her career), but people like Chris Brown still have careers. Chris Brown got less villified for what he did. And let's be honest here-why has Chris Brown's brutal beating of Rihanna been largely forgiven and Kanye still gets crap for the Taylor incident? Maybe, just maybe because Kanye is a black male who cut off a nice, pretty, white girl who sings country music. We know the media is racist and biased and anyone who disagrees is naive-there have been countless examples of "missing white girl" syndrome. More importantly, in the greater scheme of things I don't care what he said about Bush or what he did to Taylor, I think the lamest thing her ever said or did was when he basically said that reading is stupid. But no one really cares about that-probably none of you anti-Kanyites registered that one. Kanye is a jerk-that's fine but just shut up about how much you hate him. All you are doing is giving him press. If you hate someone, why waste your time talking about them. He isn't wasting his time tweeting about YOU. It's simple if you don't like an artist, don't buy his music or watch his videos or read about them or whatever.

How are you playing the race card when comparing Kanye's press versus Chris Browns? They're both black male artists, so is the media now picking and choosing when to be racist? Get real.

But you are right on by saying what Chris Brown did was much worse. It was much more disgusting, however the only thing I can think of as to why it wasn't covered the way it should have been is because it didn't occur in front of millions of viewers. People, still to this day, don't know what happened.

moses-i

You're forgetting that racism also applies to how people view the VICTIM. I was referring to the fact that the victims were of different race...not the perpetrator. Studies show that criminals are more likely to be found guilty and given harsher punishments/sentences when the victim of a crime was white rather than black-this is what I am suggesting happened here. And I am only pointing out the hypocrisy of media and suggesting a possible reason for it. I never said it was racism-I said it MAY be an explanation. Moreover, Kanye is also a more stereotypical representative of a "black male artist" than Chris Brown. So yes it is possible that they will portray him differently for that reason alone.

In terms of your explanation, maybe you're right. But just because it didn't happen on national TV doesn't mean we don't know what happened. We all saw the pictures; Chris Brown has admitted to it. It is not an ambiguous situation. Maybe the only issue is what she did to set him off. But really that's irrelevant as far as I am concerned.

StickmanJam wrote:

moses-i wrote:

Man this newsgroup should just officially change its name from the T

How are you playing the race card when comparing Kanye's press versus Chris Browns? They're both black male artists, so is the media now picking and choosing when to be racist? Get real.

musicismylife78

kanye is a genius. the new album will be album of the year on many lists. rolling stone gave it a rare 5 star review.

Newch91

musicismylife78 wrote:

kanye is a genius. the new album will be album of the year on many lists. rolling stone gave it a rare 5 star review.

I really think Eminem has the album of the year.

Digital Twilight

If it was just one incident then maybe people would have moved on but he makes an ass out of himself nearly every week. The guy is trying so hard

keeponrockin

musicismylife78 wrote:

kanye is a genius. the new album will be album of the year on many lists. rolling stone gave it a rare 5 star review.

They also gave Springsteen's Working On A Dream 5 stars... I don't think anyone on here is questioning his talent. They're questioning his jack-ass ness.

StickmanJam

musicismylife78 wrote:

kanye is a genius. the new album will be album of the year on many lists. rolling stone gave it a rare 5 star review.

Genius? That word is thrown around so liberally when referring to artists these days. Kanye is a good lyricist, producer and all around hip-hop artist. He's not a friggin' genius.

Jay-Z has done more for hip-hop than Kanye has, he singlehandedly "makes" artists, churns out nothing but hits, and has lasted two decades in hip-hop. That's never been done.

Oh yeah, and he didn't destroy rap with that auto-tune shit.