Woman in iran to be executed.

gimmesometruth27

Electric_Delta wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

it's necessary because the media frenzy over this womans situation is nothing more than propoganda to drum up the image of Iran as a backwards and barbaric state and to further the U.S. agenda for a push for war with Iran.

the U.S. is so good at sitting on their high horse and demonizing the actions taken by the leaders of other countries who generally have vastly different social norms, cultural attitudes, and ideological differences while in some ways they are no better themselves.

get off your soap box America. state sanctioned murder under any circumstances is barbaric and backward.

hypocrites.

Barbaric? I guess the murderers are not?

T/A makes a valid point. how can americans and the american media be outraged over this case when most states still allow state sanctioned murder (capital punishment)?? is a lethal iv more humane than hanging more humane than stoning?? the end result is still the same, death at the hands of the state...

the us claims to have the moral high ground over iran in all cases, yet in this case they are on the same level. the us claims to be so much more highly evolved than the rest of the world, our superiority complex if you will...yet when it comes to punishing our citizens, as well as others in gitmo, we are not better than anyone else..and that is a fact. we are hypocrites.

JonnyPistachio

polaris_x wrote:

interesting thing ... i'm sure most people here are outraged that a country would torture a woman into confession ... YET - we have omar khadr ... different country doing the torture and people have a different view ... why is that!??

time to check that moral compass and make sure it works in all directions ...

In both cases, the torture is atrocious and wrong, but it my opinion that these are two cases that are hard to compare. Kahdr is not being put to death, he is in trouble because he was associated with al-queada. Whether or not he killed that US soldier -- I have no idea. Obviously the way things are handled by the US military in that area is sketchy as hell... for arguments sake, if he did kill that soldier, then he is in prison where he belongs.

but this Iranian woman is going to be slowly tortured TO DEATH for banging some other guy.

like is said though, the torture is WRONG in both cases, but the circumstances for their misguided treatments are far from similar.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

it's necessary because the media frenzy over this womans situation is nothing more than propoganda to drum up the image of Iran as a backwards and barbaric state and to further the U.S. agenda for a push for war with Iran.

the U.S. is so good at sitting on their high horse and demonizing the actions taken by the leaders of other countries who generally have vastly different social norms, cultural attitudes, and ideological differences while in some ways they are no better themselves.

get off your soap box America. state sanctioned murder under any circumstances is barbaric and backward.

hypocrites.

Barbaric? I guess the murderers are not?

T/A makes a valid point. how can americans and the american media be outraged over this case when most states still allow state sanctioned murder (capital punishment)?? is a lethal iv more humane than hanging more humane than stoning?? the end result is still the same, death at the hands of the state...

the us claims to have the moral high ground over iran in all cases, yet in this case they are on the same level. the us claims to be so much more highly evolved than the rest of the world, our superiority complex if you will...yet when it comes to punishing our citizens, as well as others in gitmo, we are not better than anyone else..and that is a fact. we are hypocrites.

as far as the question of the level of 'humaneness' of method, I always just imagine what I would chose if I was on death row. Leathal injection, hanging, electric chair...even firing squad... i'd take any one of these before i'd take STONING. I'm not sure of the procedure, but I imagine it is long, drawn out and painful as a mutherfucker. Maybe thats why they do it though... that would scare the shit out of me if I lived in Iran.

I disagree with the death penalty in all cases, but I have to say, I see why there is all this attention on the Iranina woman. The punishment is nowhere fitting of the crime. AS was stated earlier by Cosmo, thankfully most of us arent governed by religion (except maybe bush jr )

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

it's necessary because the media frenzy over this womans situation is nothing more than propoganda to drum up the image of Iran as a backwards and barbaric state and to further the U.S. agenda for a push for war with Iran.

the U.S. is so good at sitting on their high horse and demonizing the actions taken by the leaders of other countries who generally have vastly different social norms, cultural attitudes, and ideological differences while in some ways they are no better themselves.

get off your soap box America. state sanctioned murder under any circumstances is barbaric and backward.

hypocrites.

Barbaric? I guess the murderers are not?

T/A makes a valid point. how can americans and the american media be outraged over this case when most states still allow state sanctioned murder (capital punishment)?? is a lethal iv more humane than hanging more humane than stoning?? the end result is still the same, death at the hands of the state...

the us claims to have the moral high ground over iran in all cases, yet in this case they are on the same level. the us claims to be so much more highly evolved than the rest of the world, our superiority complex if you will...yet when it comes to punishing our citizens, as well as others in gitmo, we are not better than anyone else..and that is a fact. we are hypocrites.

"we are hypocrites."?... in the op I asked WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WOULD DO THIS KIND OF THING ? and so far we have people pointing fingers at the US and using the Bible to counter attack my statement/post, this woman is being hanged in iran not the USA and that's what the story was about and where but the first chance you people get to trash the US some of you are right on top of it and for any other reason then your opinion..real simple guys if you are that unhappy with America move to another country of your liking,all of your forcasted reasoning and ideas of doom really don't add up to a hill of shit,also you guys attacking Christianity every chance you get just baffles me I may as well blame AIDS on the gays and hate them for who they are according to your reasoning right ?...she is being hanged in iran not gitmo,the prisoners of gitmo are there for crimes against the United States of America and grantee non of you know for fact any different but you sit and whine about how inhumane it is....bullshit !
now go to your rooms your all on time out.

Godfather.

redrock

I think that in the response to your first post Godfather America was mentioned as it was responding to the US and there have been numerous discussions on this board with americans supporting the death penalty. The finger pointing was not specifically at the US as several posters mentioned state sanctioned murder was barbaric wherever it is in place. Also, it would seem that there are a lot more US people on this thread than others, thus discussing what they 'know' about their country. The christianity bit came in as someone was questioning how one could be put to death for committing adultery which, it would seem, is quite banal in the western culture. I don't think anyone dumped on christianity. It was just explaining that Iran's laws are based on religion (ie adultery being a crime punishable by death) and thus the seriousness of the crime. On the contrary, it was made clear that, whilst the US is a christian country, it does not make it's laws following antiquated religious dictate (the bible).

There is a media frenzy over this woman, first brought to light when stoning was the choice method of execution. Whether we agree or not with the laws of the country, it is the law in Iran. What I would like to see is the same media frenzy for ANY state sanctioned murder in ANY country. Every time it happens/it's going to happen.

polaris_x

JonnyPistachio wrote:

In both cases, the torture is atrocious and wrong, but it my opinion that these are two cases that are hard to compare. Kahdr is not being put to death, he is in trouble because he was associated with al-queada. Whether or not he killed that US soldier -- I have no idea. Obviously the way things are handled by the US military in that area is sketchy as hell... for arguments sake, if he did kill that soldier, then he is in prison where he belongs.

but this Iranian woman is going to be slowly tortured TO DEATH for banging some other guy.

like is said though, the torture is WRONG in both cases, but the circumstances for their misguided treatments are far from similar.

no ... omar khadr is serving time for "war crimes" ... ie killing a US soldier ... i'm not sure how hanging is slow torture and i'm not really interested in defending it any way ... the point is tho that these cases are similar in that both defendants denied their accusations and both finally confessed only through torture ... by all accounts omar khadr did not commit the acts he was charged and sentenced with ... the only reason they were able to convict him is because he finally broke ...

again - is torture a reasonable way of obtaining a confession!??

JonnyPistachio

polaris_x wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

In both cases, the torture is atrocious and wrong, but it my opinion that these are two cases that are hard to compare. Kahdr is not being put to death, he is in trouble because he was associated with al-queada. Whether or not he killed that US soldier -- I have no idea. Obviously the way things are handled by the US military in that area is sketchy as hell... for arguments sake, if he did kill that soldier, then he is in prison where he belongs.

but this Iranian woman is going to be slowly tortured TO DEATH for banging some other guy.

like is said though, the torture is WRONG in both cases, but the circumstances for their misguided treatments are far from similar.

no ... omar khadr is serving time for "war crimes" ... ie killing a US soldier ... i'm not sure how hanging is slow torture and i'm not really interested in defending it any way ... the point is tho that these cases are similar in that both defendants denied their accusations and both finally confessed only through torture ... by all accounts omar khadr did not commit the acts he was charged and sentenced with ... the only reason they were able to convict him is because he finally broke ...

again - is torture a reasonable way of obtaining a confession!??

No, obviously torture and confessions should not go together.
And by slow, torturous death, I was still talking about the stoning. I forgot that it was changed to hanging. I feel they reduced the barbaricity (haha, made up my own word here), but you're right -- in the end its all the same. but it goes to show that (by changing the method) they are aware of how demented it is to stone someone to death.

I think there is a lot of press because people are drawn to sick, twisted shit. There was a buzz about the guy who recently got put to death by firing squad in the US because it is grizzly gross. People are fucked up. By I agree with Redrock here, its too bad that EVERY death penalty case isnt protested with vigor.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

"we are hypocrites."?... in the op I asked WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WOULD DO THIS KIND OF THING ? and so far we have people pointing fingers at the US and using the Bible to counter attack my statement/post, this woman is being hanged in iran not the USA and that's what the story was about and where but the first chance you people get to trash the US some of you are right on top of it and for any other reason then your opinion..real simple guys if you are that unhappy with America move to another country of your liking,all of your forcasted reasoning and ideas of doom really don't add up to a hill of shit,also you guys attacking Christianity every chance you get just baffles me I may as well blame AIDS on the gays and hate them for who they are according to your reasoning right ?...she is being hanged in iran not gitmo,the prisoners of gitmo are there for crimes against the United States of America and grantee non of you know for fact any different but you sit and whine about how inhumane it is....bullshit !
now go to your rooms your all on time out.

Godfather.

yes we are hypocrites. if we do the same thing, capital punishment, and take a position against another country for the same thing, what is not hypocritical about that??? you ask what kind of people would stone or hang someone, i ask what kind of person would support ANY FORM OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT?? you can not debate little tiny bits of the entire subject, why is lethal injection ok, while hanging or stoning is not?? the result is the exact same, the state acts, and the prisoner is dead. period, end of story. that is morally and ethically wrong in all cases, and most ethics scholars would tell you the same. do you see my point? and if people can not have the open mind and vision to look in the mirror and criticize their own country for the things it does in their name, it is a sign of blind nationalism. you accuse me of attacking christianity? i will attack anything that i feel is retrothinking and holding back my society from progressing and meeting it's full potential.

and i just wanted to let you know that when you play the "if you don't like it you can get out" card is a sign of a lost argument... this is what it reminds me of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ

Godfather.

redrock wrote:

I think that in the response to your first post Godfather America was mentioned as it was responding to the US and there have been numerous discussions on this board with americans supporting the death penalty. The finger pointing was not specifically at the US as several posters mentioned state sanctioned murder was barbaric wherever it is in place. Also, it would seem that there are a lot more US people on this thread than others, thus discussing what they 'know' about their country. The christianity bit came in as someone was questioning how one could be put to death for committing adultery which, it would seem, is quite banal in the western culture. I don't think anyone dumped on christianity. It was just explaining that Iran's laws are based on religion (ie adultery being a crime punishable by death) and thus the seriousness of the crime. On the contrary, it was made clear that, whilst the US is a christian country, it does not make it's laws following antiquated religious dictate (the bible).

There is a media frenzy over this woman, first brought to light when stoning was the choice method of execution. Whether we agree or not with the laws of the country, it is the law in Iran. What I would like to see is the same media frenzy for ANY state sanctioned murder in ANY country. Every time it happens/it's going to happen.

when we talked about the death penalty it pretty much a life for a life debate not death for sex,just seems unjust to a westerner like myself.
I don't understand the complaints of state sanctioned execution it would be faster and cheaper if there were still vigilante Justis in America ,we might get a few Innocent people killed but hay we'd get all the bad guy's right ? so instead we have due process of the law and state sanctioned executions lowering the number of Innocent victims and unfortunately it also free some bad guys but in the end what is the better choice?
btw thanks for your reply and explaining things in a kind manner.

Godfather.

pdalowsky

JonnyPistachio wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

In both cases, the torture is atrocious and wrong, but it my opinion that these are two cases that are hard to compare. Kahdr is not being put to death, he is in trouble because he was associated with al-queada. Whether or not he killed that US soldier -- I have no idea. Obviously the way things are handled by the US military in that area is sketchy as hell... for arguments sake, if he did kill that soldier, then he is in prison where he belongs.

but this Iranian woman is going to be slowly tortured TO DEATH for banging some other guy.

like is said though, the torture is WRONG in both cases, but the circumstances for their misguided treatments are far from similar.

no ... omar khadr is serving time for "war crimes" ... ie killing a US soldier ... i'm not sure how hanging is slow torture and i'm not really interested in defending it any way ... the point is tho that these cases are similar in that both defendants denied their accusations and both finally confessed only through torture ... by all accounts omar khadr did not commit the acts he was charged and sentenced with ... the only reason they were able to convict him is because he finally broke ...

again - is torture a reasonable way of obtaining a confession!??

No, obviously torture and confessions should not go together.
And by slow, torturous death, I was still talking about the stoning. I forgot that it was changed to hanging. I feel they reduced the barbaricity (haha, made up my own word here), but you're right -- in the end its all the same. but it goes to show that (by changing the method) they are aware of how demented it is to stone someone to death.

I think there is a lot of press because people are drawn to sick, twisted shit. There was a buzz about the guy who recently got put to death by firing squad in the US because it is grizzly gross. People are fucked up. By I agree with Redrock here, its too bad that EVERY death penalty case isnt protested with vigor.

There is just no justification for what they tried to do here.....

the parrallels are irrelevant to this case

focusing on whats at hand, its just deranged......anyone who can even try to defend or support this type of 'justice' needs sectioning themselves.

Digital Twilight

Just to be clear this women was to be stoned to death for adultery. Once there was an international out cry against this they quickly changed this charge to murder. These charges were trumped up by their governmnent and they extracted a 'confession' from her via torture not just from her but from her son and lawer who BOTH remain in prison at this current time. Her trial was conducted without any legal representation present and was spoken in a language she can't speak and without a translator present.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/no ... -execution

Sign the petition to save her here;

https://secure.avaaz.org/en/24h_to_save_sakineh/?fp

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

"we are hypocrites."?... in the op I asked WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WOULD DO THIS KIND OF THING ? and so far we have people pointing fingers at the US and using the Bible to counter attack my statement/post, this woman is being hanged in iran not the USA and that's what the story was about and where but the first chance you people get to trash the US some of you are right on top of it and for any other reason then your opinion..real simple guys if you are that unhappy with America move to another country of your liking,all of your forcasted reasoning and ideas of doom really don't add up to a hill of shit,also you guys attacking Christianity every chance you get just baffles me I may as well blame AIDS on the gays and hate them for who they are according to your reasoning right ?...she is being hanged in iran not gitmo,the prisoners of gitmo are there for crimes against the United States of America and grantee non of you know for fact any different but you sit and whine about how inhumane it is....bullshit !
now go to your rooms your all on time out.

Godfather.

yes we are hypocrites. if we do the same thing, capital punishment, and take a position against another country for the same thing, what is not hypocritical about that??? you ask what kind of people would stone or hang someone, i ask what kind of person would support ANY FORM OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT?? you can not debate little tiny bits of the entire subject, why is lethal injection ok, while hanging or stoning is not?? the result is the exact same, the state acts, and the prisoner is dead. period, end of story. that is morally and ethically wrong in all cases, and most ethics scholars would tell you the same. do you see my point? and if people can not have the open mind and vision to look in the mirror and criticize their own country for the things it does in their name, it is a sign of blind nationalism. you accuse me of attacking christianity? i will attack anything that i feel is retrothinking and holding back my society from progressing and meeting it's full potential.

and i just wanted to let you know that when you play the "if you don't like it you can get out" card is a sign of a lost argument... this is what it reminds me of....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ

on the Christianity issue I was not speaking specifically of you but do you really think Christianity is really retro thinking and holding back our society from progressing and meeting it's full potential. ?
I think that may be forfit of argument as well.

Godfather.

Drowned Out

Where was the massive outcry when the Saudis executed a man for sorcery in 2007?
Where was the massive outcry when a woman and 3 men were executed together for adultery in Pakistan, 2007?
I don’t remember a massive outcry when 3 Sri Lankans were sentenced to death for adultery in 2008 in Saudi Arabia.
I don’t remember a massive outcry when a woman in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to a year in prison and 100 lashes for being impregnated and gang raped by five men.
I don’t remember a massive outcry when a couple was stoned to death for adultery in Afghanistan just two months ago.

In five minutes of googling, I was able to determine that Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Bahrain, and Azerbaijan practice some form of Sharia Law. Of those countries, I was able to find examples of executions for adultery in five of them (plus Afghanistan), in the last 3 years. Yet we hear NOTHING about any of these cases, we only hear about the ones that occur in Iran.

WHY IS THAT????


Did anyone happen to have a look at the articles I posted earlier in the thread? To me, they are plain evidence of a war propaganda agenda in the US media. Politically motivated influencing of public opinion is the only possible explanation for the imbalance in reporting of nearly identical stories.

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WOULD INTENTIONALLY INFLUENCE PUBLIC OPINION TO SUPPORT WARS THAT WILL KILL THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS?

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

on the Christianity issue I was not speaking specifically of you but do you really think Christianity is really retro thinking and holding back our society from progressing and meeting it's full potential. ?
I think that may be forfit of argument as well.

Godfather.

absolutely. yes i believe religion in general, and christianity is just as much to blame as islam for the problems of the world. it is retro thinking instead of thinking ahead and progressing our society. was it not christianity that suppressed scientific research in the times of gallileo? was it not christianity that started the crusades? is it not christianity stifling stem cell research now? i think that anything based on books written thousands of years ago and trying to apply those precepts to present day is absolutely retrothinking. and what part about "love thy neighbor as thyself" has any justification for capital punishment? it seems to me the lesson learned is that "if capital punishment was good enough for jesus it is good enough for me"????? and to me that is extremely wrong no matter what religion you follow or in what country you reside.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

on the Christianity issue I was not speaking specifically of you but do you really think Christianity is really retro thinking and holding back our society from progressing and meeting it's full potential. ?
I think that may be forfit of argument as well.

Godfather.

absolutely. yes i believe religion in general, and christianity is just as much to blame as islam for the problems of the world. it is retro thinking instead of thinking ahead and progressing our society. was it not christianity that suppressed scientific research in the times of gallileo? was it not christianity that started the crusades? is it not christianity stifling stem cell research now? i think that anything based on books written thousands of years ago and trying to apply those precepts to present day is absolutely retrothinking. and what part about "love thy neighbor as thyself" has any justification for capital punishment? it seems to me the lesson learned is that "if capital punishment was good enough for jesus it is good enough for me"????? and to me that is extremely wrong no matter what religion you follow or in what country you reside.

I think and believe differently and at one time I believe you did also so what has changed sense then ?
don't you have all the same freedoms as I do,did Christianity keep you from your goals in life
did it stop Columbus from reaching the new world?
has it stopped all medical advancements, if you believe god has held you back from something in your life maybe you could look a little closer at what happened,I'm not being sarcastic but sometimes people need someone to blame for things that happen in the world or their own lives and God/Jesus are the essayist to blame sometimes and maybe non of this applies to you I don't know but as I always say "believe as you wish".

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

absolutely. yes i believe religion in general, and christianity is just as much to blame as islam for the problems of the world. it is retro thinking instead of thinking ahead and progressing our society. was it not christianity that suppressed scientific research in the times of gallileo? was it not christianity that started the crusades? is it not christianity stifling stem cell research now? i think that anything based on books written thousands of years ago and trying to apply those precepts to present day is absolutely retrothinking. and what part about "love thy neighbor as thyself" has any justification for capital punishment? it seems to me the lesson learned is that "if capital punishment was good enough for jesus it is good enough for me"????? and to me that is extremely wrong no matter what religion you follow or in what country you reside.

I think and believe differently and at one time I believe you did also so what has changed sense then ?
don't you have all the same freedoms as I do,did Christianity keep you from your goals in life
did it stop Columbus from reaching the new world?
has it stopped all medical advancements, if you believe god has held you back from something in your life maybe you could look a little closer at what happened,I'm not being sarcastic but sometimes people need someone to blame for things that happen in the world or their own lives and God/Jesus are the essayist to blame sometimes and maybe non of this applies to you I don't know but as I always say "believe as you wish".

Godfather.

i am not blaming god or mr jesus for anything. i am blaming the people in government, any government who determine policy, especially with regard to crime and punishment based on texts that are 2000 years old and based on their religious interpretations of those texts.. this punishment is meted out as a direct result of the religious law in iran. don't criticize me if you are against it, criticize that law. if you favor capital punishment here in the US, i just do not see how you can say one form or death over another is better or better fits the crime. just as in the case of war, capital punishment is state sponsored murder.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

"we are hypocrites."?... in the op I asked WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WOULD DO THIS KIND OF THING ? and so far we have people pointing fingers at the US and using the Bible to counter attack my statement/post, this woman is being hanged in iran not the USA and that's what the story was about and where but the first chance you people get to trash the US some of you are right on top of it and for any other reason then your opinion..real simple guys if you are that unhappy with America move to another country of your liking,all of your forcasted reasoning and ideas of doom really don't add up to a hill of shit,also you guys attacking Christianity every chance you get just baffles me I may as well blame AIDS on the gays and hate them for who they are according to your reasoning right ?...she is being hanged in iran not gitmo,the prisoners of gitmo are there for crimes against the United States of America and grantee non of you know for fact any different but you sit and whine about how inhumane it is....bullshit !
now go to your rooms your all on time out.

Godfather.

..
You asked, "What Kind Of People Would Do This Kind Of Thing?"
Answer: Religious people who form the law of the land from the law of thier holy text because thier state and church are one.
...
I am saying I am GLAD that the U.S. is not like places like Iran, where the church gets to make the laws... otherwise, there'd be no football this Sunday.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

I think and believe differently and at one time I believe you did also so what has changed sense then ?
don't you have all the same freedoms as I do,did Christianity keep you from your goals in life
did it stop Columbus from reaching the new world?
has it stopped all medical advancements, if you believe god has held you back from something in your life maybe you could look a little closer at what happened,I'm not being sarcastic but sometimes people need someone to blame for things that happen in the world or their own lives and God/Jesus are the essayist to blame sometimes and maybe non of this applies to you I don't know but as I always say "believe as you wish".

Godfather.

...
Christianity was only able to hold back the advancements of science for so long. Galileo and his works were condemned by the church... had Galileo lived earlier, he'd probably would have been burned at the stake.
You were around when Bonnie Bell.. the first 'test tube baby was born... don't you remember the Christian protests about 'playing God'?
And what about something like abortion, today? If Christianity wrote the laws today... what do you think would happen to a woman who had an abortion? Stoned to death? Maybe not, but surely put in prison, right?
Don't be so sure about the freedoms that would be allowed if America were a Christian Theocracy. It would look a bit different if it were founded as a Christian Nation.

catefrances

Cosmo wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I think and believe differently and at one time I believe you did also so what has changed sense then ?
don't you have all the same freedoms as I do,did Christianity keep you from your goals in life
did it stop Columbus from reaching the new world?
has it stopped all medical advancements, if you believe god has held you back from something in your life maybe you could look a little closer at what happened,I'm not being sarcastic but sometimes people need someone to blame for things that happen in the world or their own lives and God/Jesus are the essayist to blame sometimes and maybe non of this applies to you I don't know but as I always say "believe as you wish".

Godfather.

...
Christianity was only able to hold back the advancements of science for so long. Galileo and his works were condemned by the church... had Galileo lived earlier, he'd probably would have been burned at the stake.
You were around when Bonnie Bell.. the first 'test tube baby was born... don't you remember the Christian protests about 'playing God'?
And what about something like abortion, today? If Christianity wrote the laws today... what do you think would happen to a woman who had an abortion? Stoned to death? Maybe not, but surely put in prison, right?
Don't be so sure about the freedoms that would be allowed if America were a Christian Theocracy. It would look a bit different if it were founded as a Christian Nation.

i guess it all depends on which christianity it was founded on and whether it proved possible for that church to evolve from its original convenant.

TriumphantAngel

Electric_Delta wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Brock Samson wrote:

also, this is a story about something happening in iran, why bring up the death penalty in america? totally unnecessary.

it's necessary because the media frenzy over this womans situation is nothing more than propoganda to drum up the image of Iran as a backwards and barbaric state and to further the U.S. agenda for a push for war with Iran.

the U.S. is so good at sitting on their high horse and demonizing the actions taken by the leaders of other countries who generally have vastly different social norms, cultural attitudes, and ideological differences while in some ways they are no better themselves.

get off your soap box America. state sanctioned murder under any circumstances is barbaric and backward.

hypocrites.

Barbaric? I guess the murderers are not?

not sure where you go the idea that i'm defending murderers here and don't think that their actions are barbaric or wrong. you are jumping to the wrong conclusion again. you're really quite good at that.

bottom line for me is that state-sanctioned murder is murder too. it's that simple. how any country can murder their own citizens and still claim to be civilized is beyond me. most democracies in the world have abandoned the death penalty. but go ahead, keep on killing to show killing is wrong.

TriumphantAngel

Drowned Out wrote:

Where was the massive outcry when the Saudis executed a man for sorcery in 2007?
Where was the massive outcry when a woman and 3 men were executed together for adultery in Pakistan, 2007?
I don’t remember a massive outcry when 3 Sri Lankans were sentenced to death for adultery in 2008 in Saudi Arabia.
I don’t remember a massive outcry when a woman in Saudi Arabia was sentenced to a year in prison and 100 lashes for being impregnated and gang raped by five men.
I don’t remember a massive outcry when a couple was stoned to death for adultery in Afghanistan just two months ago.

In five minutes of googling, I was able to determine that Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Bahrain, and Azerbaijan practice some form of Sharia Law. Of those countries, I was able to find examples of executions for adultery in five of them (plus Afghanistan), in the last 3 years. Yet we hear NOTHING about any of these cases, we only hear about the ones that occur in Iran.

WHY IS THAT????


Did anyone happen to have a look at the articles I posted earlier in the thread? To me, they are plain evidence of a war propaganda agenda in the US media. Politically motivated influencing of public opinion is the only possible explanation for the imbalance in reporting of nearly identical stories.

WHAT KIND OF PEOPLE WOULD INTENTIONALLY INFLUENCE PUBLIC OPINION TO SUPPORT WARS THAT WILL KILL THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS?

excellent post.

there is so much hypocrisy from Americans when it comes to Iran. a classic example of the hypocrisy is the recent 60 billion arms deal that the Obama administration recently unveiled with the Saudi's. the Saudis like to cut off peoples heads in public executions and chop off hands and feet for stealing. but apparently that's ok, you don't see people getting all uptight about that like you do over Iran's human rights violations. you should but you don't.

and why's that again? why dont the Saudis see the same amount of disgust directed at them as Iran does over their punishment methods?

it's because the warmongers love hearing the drums beating for war with Iran and they are right behind the US Government and their thirst for power at any cost, and are apparently unconcerned with actions ultimately motivated by greed and the insatiable lust for power.

hypocrites.