The Big 5 College Basketball Thread

pjhawks

Jaegs- Temple covered but didn't play well enough to win. Fernandez not really a point guard and their offense was disjointed at times. Watching Lavoy Allen is maddening. Guy should be a 1st team all-american yet barely runs foul line to foul line. Gets double digit rebounds just gliding along, imagine what he could do with a killer instinct.

And Nova still stinks. 7-9 loss team in the Big East this year. Other than shoot foul shots they really don't do anything great. Other than Stokes they can't shoot a lick and have no depth at all. By end of january they will .500 in the Big East and people will be wondering what is wrong with them. They've really only played 2 good basketball teams, tennesee and temple and one decent team in ucla. the rest have all sucked.

and Jaegs check Wayns and Fisher's 3-point percentage this year, it's putrid. wayns is good but nowhere near as good as Lowry. Lowry was so physical and tough. Wayns will not get to the basket at will in the Big East.

get on board with Missouri this year - they are great and play such a fun style.

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The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

yeah vegas adjusts...over time. this is still december. conference play hasn't even started for most teams. a lot of the top 10-15 teams lines are inflated this time of the year. i thought you said you read millman's blog? i think it's all about the sweat barometer. nova has the 4th worst margin of all top 25 teams. you're on the right side with this game. good value there especially buying the hook. well played.

I do read that blog. that sweat barometer is garbage

certainly coming into play for anyone who bet on nova tonight....yet again.

I know I will sound like one of those internet douches, but your post deserves an 'epic fail'

come on man, vegas hotels were built for a reason. most teams will be around .500 for the season vs the line.

there are rare exceptions...like the dallas cowboys going over EVERY week this year. yep, the fixer has blown some money on that this year.

The Fixer

The Jeagler wrote:

oh, and fixer covered---so everybody wins tonight! :thumbup:
GO CATS!

this is all that really matters

crazy game. both teams are good. I still think nova is somewhat overrated. they're in for a long big east season.

and I think temple is kinda underrated. they have the look of a team that will improve as the year goes on.

Temple dished out some major BDA (backdoor action) tonight. jeags, you know what I mean. that run at the end for the cover was tremendous. once pepe sanchez fouled out I thought I was toast. I love sports gambling

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

Jaegs- Temple covered but didn't play well enough to win. Fernandez not really a point guard and their offense was disjointed at times. Watching Lavoy Allen is maddening. Guy should be a 1st team all-american yet barely runs foul line to foul line. Gets double digit rebounds just gliding along, imagine what he could do with a killer instinct.

And Nova still stinks. 7-9 loss team in the Big East this year. Other than shoot foul shots they really don't do anything great. Other than Stokes they can't shoot a lick and have no depth at all. By end of january they will .500 in the Big East and people will be wondering what is wrong with them. They've really only played 2 good basketball teams, tennesee and temple and one decent team in ucla. the rest have all sucked.

and Jaegs check Wayns and Fisher's 3-point percentage this year, it's putrid. wayns is good but nowhere near as good as Lowry. Lowry was so physical and tough. Wayns will not get to the basket at will in the Big East.

get on board with Missouri this year - they are great and play such a fun style.

you said lasalle would beat them outright and temple would come into the dupont (a place they haven't won since the 90's) and win by 13 and villanova would somehow start to demise. dude. you do not have a good read this team. i'm sorry you don't. stick to st joes. your hatred/jeaoulsy is getting in the way of objectivity. "they didn't play well enough to win"--really? ....you just keep pointing out the obvious. the big east is loaded and they have a stretch at the end of january (not sure if you look at schedules in this sport either) where they play 4 top 25 teams in about a 10 day stretch. if they're .500 at that point, i will gladly take it. like i've said all along, i think this team is a work in progress all the way to the end. f january. make sure you're playing well in late february/march. that's all i care about with this team.

last night was a big win. real season starts sunday. can't wait

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

I do read that blog. that sweat barometer is garbage

certainly coming into play for anyone who bet on nova tonight....yet again.

I know I will sound like one of those internet douches, but your post deserves an 'epic fail'

come on man, vegas hotels were built for a reason. most teams will be around .500 for the season vs the line.

there are rare exceptions...like the dallas cowboys going over EVERY week this year. yep, the fixer has blown some money on that this year.

well and the lions, and the ram, and the falcons, and the pats, and the bucs and generally every over (58% this year) etc etc etc ats this year. but, yeah, i get your point.

my point about nova is not an "epic fail" though. i know you're big on law of averages, but the law is barely in place yet. it's f@cking december. the real conference season starts this weekend for most teams. vegas is more concerned, at this point in the year, on nfl and stupid bowl games. this time of year is always good to take an underdog vs a top 15 team....especially a team that most consider a bit overrated and playing a city rival....and especially when said favorite barely covers when they do cover.

i don't see why you're arguing anyway. i'm essentially agreeing with your pick last night. :?

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

oh, and fixer covered---so everybody wins tonight! :thumbup:
GO CATS!

this is all that really matters

crazy game. both teams are good. I still think nova is somewhat overrated. they're in for a long big east season.

and I think temple is kinda underrated. they have the look of a team that will improve as the year goes on.

Temple dished out some major BDA (backdoor action) tonight. jeags, you know what I mean. that run at the end for the cover was tremendous. once pepe sanchez fouled out I thought I was toast. I love sports gambling

pepe sanchez....haha--i always call him that out of habit. i hate that little f@cker--but he is so money when his shot is on. temple's good. they're gonna coast through the a10.

Johnny Abruzzo

Congrats on the Big 5 title Jeags. Nova is a top-flight squad. Both of these teams should make tourney runs this year, and are the class of the Big 5 (and keeping it relevant).

I thought Temple played a mediocre offensive game (missed free throws, sloppy possessions) and blew it, but Nova played a nice game and beat us. Good game.

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Congrats on the Big 5 title Jeags. Nova is a top-flight squad. Both of these teams should make tourney runs this year, and are the class of the Big 5 (and keeping it relevant).

I thought Temple played a mediocre offensive game (missed free throws, sloppy possessions) and blew it, but Nova played a nice game and beat us. Good game.

no doubt man. i'll be rooting for temple in the a10.

god bless the big 5.

pjhawks

Jaegs - did you read my comments on Nova's team at all? Yes they beat temple and lasalle (although i did say take lasalle and temple and the points along with saying Nova would lose, so for gambling purposes i am 2-0 on those 2 games) but my analysis of their team you did not dispute at all. They are not a great offensive team and their bigs and lack of depth will be exposed in the big east. And I have no clue how you can say it is ok for the 8th ranked team inthe country to be .500 halfway through their league. I think you are just hedging your bets against me. and yes did see their schedule, college basketball is very different than the NFL, see eagles vs. vikes, buccaneers vs. lions, as examples - teams in nfl end up where they deserve regardless of schedule where college bball schedule can determine an awful lot, hence why the big east teams all have 10 wins since they rarely play anyone out of conference (you do realize nova has only played 3 games out of philly and one was at Monmouth). Jaegs i watch a ton of college hoops and right now nova is not one of the top 20 or so teams i've seen. all i was trying to say was i see nova finishing anywhere from 6th to 9th in the big east, which is a pretty big dropff from the last 5 years. If I am wrong Jaegs i'll be the 1st to come on here and admit it as i have no problems admitting when i am wrong. love that conference play has started. this is when college hoops gets pretty awesome.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

Jaegs - did you read my comments on Nova's team at all? Yes they beat temple and lasalle (although i did say take lasalle and temple and the points along with saying Nova would lose, so for gambling purposes i am 2-0 on those 2 games) but my analysis of their team you did not dispute at all. They are not a great offensive team and their bigs and lack of depth will be exposed in the big east. And I have no clue how you can say it is ok for the 8th ranked team inthe country to be .500 halfway through their league. I think you are just hedging your bets against me. and yes did see their schedule, college basketball is very different than the NFL, see eagles vs. vikes, buccaneers vs. lions, as examples - teams in nfl end up where they deserve regardless of schedule where college bball schedule can determine an awful lot, hence why the big east teams all have 10 wins since they rarely play anyone out of conference (you do realize nova has only played 3 games out of philly and one was at Monmouth). Jaegs i watch a ton of college hoops and right now nova is not one of the top 20 or so teams i've seen. all i was trying to say was i see nova finishing anywhere from 6th to 9th in the big east, which is a pretty big dropff from the last 5 years. If I am wrong Jaegs i'll be the 1st to come on here and admit it as i have no problems admitting when i am wrong. love that conference play has started. this is when college hoops gets pretty awesome.

jeez. for a st joes alum you certainly spend a lot of talking about villanova...

1...taking the points against nova right now is money in the bank. i've said that all along and actually explained why. you said lasalle would win outright and temple would win at the dupont by 13. that is ridiculous.
2...they are struggling offensively. again-we agree. anyone who watches them would agree.
3...they're bigs lack depth due to the pinkston suspension. again-we agree. duh....can't deny how good mouph is looking early on though. he's only gonna get better.
4...i was right about the birds 2nd half....all comeback wins and 2 losses thus far. thankfully they won early against subpar competition, as predicted.
5...again, pretty much everyone agrees that nova is overrated right now. you are pointing out obvious facts. that's really all you're doing. and it's not like i see them going 28-2 or something. in the last 4 years they've lost 5, 5, 9, and 7 games in conference play. i see them going 11-7, possibly 12-6 if they play up to their potential by the end of the year. not much of a drop off there. we'll see. with the aforementioned lack of depth due to losing their top recruit, and coming off a year when one of their best players in school history graduated, i'd say that's not too shabby. temple was a huge win and a great final tune up heading into conference play.

edit- 6...after the temple game you also said they "stink". you should have your eyes examined.

by the way, nice win over sienna the other night. great win for the hawks.

GO CATS!

Johnny Abruzzo

The Jeagler wrote:

by the way, nice win over sienna the other night. great win for the hawks.

Sorry pj - Hawks just aren't in the same class as Temple & Nova. As Rick Pitino might say, Delonte West isn't walking through that door. Jameer Nelson isn't walking through that door.

Nova fans all around me Thursday made comments about how much better Hooter looks than that mangy Hawk thing.

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

by the way, nice win over sienna the other night. great win for the hawks.

Sorry pj - Hawks just aren't in the same class as Temple & Nova. As Rick Pitino might say, Delonte West isn't walking through that door. Jameer Nelson isn't walking through that door.

Nova fans all around me Thursday made comments about how much better Hooter looks than that mangy Hawk thing.

whoever said the Hawks were the same class as Nova? Nova is in the best hoops league and most exposed hoops league in America and the Hawks are a private school mid-major. No one expects to be in the same class as nova year in and year out when Nova is at the top of the big east like they have been. Temple is ahead of the Hawks now for sure but it was only a few short years ago the Hawks had beaten Temple like 12 straight times. Let's also not forget the Owls haven't won and NCAA game in like a decade so hard to be too cocky about the state of your program.

Jaegs - What's wrong with my discussing Nova and/or Temple more than the Hawks? I'd talk about the Hawks for hours if I thought anyone was remotely interested which I know they are not. Nova owns the phlly hoops scene right now so that is where most of the talk is centered (especially since their fans are even more obnoxioius than Dallas Cowboy fans). and I'll take over 6 on Nova Big East losses (unless you mean in january alone). they have won against their lousy competition and it's time to see if they can step it up and start beating good teams. As I said from what I've seen they are not one of the top 20-25 teams in the nation at this point. If that changes I will gladly say that on here. And it's S-I-E-N-A

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

by the way, nice win over sienna the other night. great win for the hawks.

Sorry pj - Hawks just aren't in the same class as Temple & Nova. As Rick Pitino might say, Delonte West isn't walking through that door. Jameer Nelson isn't walking through that door.

Nova fans all around me Thursday made comments about how much better Hooter looks than that mangy Hawk thing.

whoever said the Hawks were the same class as Nova? Nova is in the best hoops league and most exposed hoops league in America and the Hawks are a private school mid-major. No one expects to be in the same class as nova year in and year out when Nova is at the top of the big east like they have been. Temple is ahead of the Hawks now for sure but it was only a few short years ago the Hawks had beaten Temple like 12 straight times. Let's also not forget the Owls haven't won and NCAA game in like a decade so hard to be too cocky about the state of your program.

Jaegs - What's wrong with my discussing Nova and/or Temple more than the Hawks? I'd talk about the Hawks for hours if I thought anyone was remotely interested which I know they are not. Nova owns the phlly hoops scene right now so that is where most of the talk is centered (especially since their fans are even more obnoxioius than Dallas Cowboy fans). and I'll take over 6 on Nova Big East losses (unless you mean in january alone). they have won against their lousy competition and it's time to see if they can step it up and start beating good teams. As I said from what I've seen they are not one of the top 20-25 teams in the nation at this point. If that changes I will gladly say that on here. And it's S-I-E-N-A

its a big 5 thread. if i went to or was a die hard lasalle fan, i'd be hyping up the big win over binghamton today instead of spending 99% of my post's hating on some other school. you seem to be the only one doing that. to each his own though. :?

and i said 11-7. you said they'd have 7-9 losses. why would i would i agree to 6 as an o/u? 7.5 or 8 would seem more reasonable. what's the o/u on st joes total wins this year? 12?

pjhawks

The Jeagler wrote:

its a big 5 thread. if i went to or was a die hard lasalle fan, i'd be hyping up the big win over binghamton today instead of spending 99% of my post's hating on some other school. you seem to be the only one doing that. to each his own though. :?

and i said 11-7. you said they'd have 7-9 losses. why would i would i agree to 6 as an o/u? 7.5 or 8 would seem more reasonable. what's the o/u on st joes total wins this year? 12?

Jaegs do you read my posts fully or just pick out portions? As I previously stated i would talk about the Hawks but I am aware that no one here gives a shit about them. And yes Hawks over/under at 12 is right on the money for this season.

as for Nova over/under at 6 in the big east you said you thought they'd go 12-6 or 11-7 this year in the big east so i said i'll talk the over 6. not really hard logic to follow there.

The Juggler

pjhawks wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

its a big 5 thread. if i went to or was a die hard lasalle fan, i'd be hyping up the big win over binghamton today instead of spending 99% of my post's hating on some other school. you seem to be the only one doing that. to each his own though. :?

and i said 11-7. you said they'd have 7-9 losses. why would i would i agree to 6 as an o/u? 7.5 or 8 would seem more reasonable. what's the o/u on st joes total wins this year? 12?

Jaegs do you read my posts fully or just pick out portions? As I previously stated i would talk about the Hawks but I am aware that no one here gives a shit about them. And yes Hawks over/under at 12 is right on the money for this season.

as for Nova over/under at 6 in the big east you said you thought they'd go 12-6 or 11-7 this year in the big east so i said i'll talk the over 6. not really hard logic to follow there.

i did read them. who cares what you think other people might think. they're your squad. be proud of them. plus you've said before that you'll post what you want on a message board despite what others think. i believe this was in reference to fashion or something in the eagles thread?

and no, i said 11-7 is where i think they'd end up. go back and reread it. 12-6 is best case scenario. like i thought 10-6 was best case for the birds, but no way i'd put an o/u for wins at 10 for them. ya know? logic, not hard to follow.

go cats.

Johnny Abruzzo

I'm always posting about Temple beating up on MAC teams, and I know nobody cares about those games.

pjhawks

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

I'm always posting about Temple beating up on MAC teams, and I know nobody cares about those games.

i care about those games but i'm kind of degenerate college hoops fan so i'll talk about any of it. i'll post more about the hawks in the future.

The Juggler

corey stokes, big 5 player of the week.

guy looks so much better than his first few years. much improved...

Johnny Abruzzo

Owls on TCN tonight at Fordham. No HD for verizon - but at least it's on.