Greatest President in American History?

Commy

Electric_Delta wrote:

James Madison

Ronald Reagan

JFK

reagan shifted 1 trillion into the private sector, from the public. he got rid funding for things like student loans and federal funds for education and battered women and gave them to billion dollar corporations.

its massive government spending on an already wealthy private sector. thats money you and i gave to them that they are still giving to the large corporations. its called neo liberalism, and reagan invented it. fuck him.

dimitrispearljam

which one didnt make a war?

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans, along with the rape of thousands of women - including the raping of nuns.
He also lied to the American public and pissed on the constitution, setting the standard for further top level abuses of power in the future - Papa Bush, and Bush junior, for example.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronal ... an_iF.html
'...In the 1980s, U.S.-backed forces committed widespread massacres, political murders and torture. Tens of thousands of civilians died. Many of the dead were children. Soldiers routinely raped women before executing them.
There can be no doubt, too, that President Reagan was an avid supporter of the implicated military forces, that he supplied them with weapons and that he actively sought to discredit human rights investigators and journalists who exposed the crimes...'


http://www.counterpunch.org/gaspar06062004.html
'...Reagan's economic policies were a disaster for working-class Americans. Reagan presided over the worst recession since the 1930s, and economic growth in the 1980s was lower than in the 1970s, despite the stimulus of military Keynesian policies, which created massive federal budget deficits and tripled the federal debt. By the end of the decade, real wages were down and the poverty rate had increased by 20 percent.

Reagan was also a liar. In November 1986, he publicly denied that his administration had been illegally selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the contras. One week later he was forced to retract this statement, but denied that the sale was part of a deal to free U.S. hostages. The following year, Reagan admitted that there had been an arms-for-hostages deal, but denied he knew anything about it.

In 1992, that too proved to be a lie when former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was compelled to release notes from a January 1986 meeting revealing, "President decided to go with Israeli-Iranian offer to release our 5 hostages in return for sale of 4,000 TOWs [U.S. missiles] to Iran by Israel."

The man whose administration spearheaded class warfare on behalf of the rich, dragged American politics to the right, and rebuilt US imperialism after the Vietnam debacle, is dead. Good riddance.'

Geeeze man you need a drink.

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Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans, along with the rape of thousands of women - including the raping of nuns.
He also lied to the American public and pissed on the constitution, setting the standard for further top level abuses of power in the future - Papa Bush, and Bush junior, for example.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronal ... an_iF.html
'...In the 1980s, U.S.-backed forces committed widespread massacres, political murders and torture. Tens of thousands of civilians died. Many of the dead were children. Soldiers routinely raped women before executing them.
There can be no doubt, too, that President Reagan was an avid supporter of the implicated military forces, that he supplied them with weapons and that he actively sought to discredit human rights investigators and journalists who exposed the crimes...'


http://www.counterpunch.org/gaspar06062004.html
'...Reagan's economic policies were a disaster for working-class Americans. Reagan presided over the worst recession since the 1930s, and economic growth in the 1980s was lower than in the 1970s, despite the stimulus of military Keynesian policies, which created massive federal budget deficits and tripled the federal debt. By the end of the decade, real wages were down and the poverty rate had increased by 20 percent.

Reagan was also a liar. In November 1986, he publicly denied that his administration had been illegally selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the contras. One week later he was forced to retract this statement, but denied that the sale was part of a deal to free U.S. hostages. The following year, Reagan admitted that there had been an arms-for-hostages deal, but denied he knew anything about it.

In 1992, that too proved to be a lie when former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was compelled to release notes from a January 1986 meeting revealing, "President decided to go with Israeli-Iranian offer to release our 5 hostages in return for sale of 4,000 TOWs [U.S. missiles] to Iran by Israel."

The man whose administration spearheaded class warfare on behalf of the rich, dragged American politics to the right, and rebuilt US imperialism after the Vietnam debacle, is dead. Good riddance.'

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

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Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

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I take it Reagan's a hero of yours then?

Byrnzie

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

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chadwick

^^^^^^ very diverse
i like both pictures and would like to visit both spots
can you tell me about the little bar or whatever that is, yes? please!

Byrnzie

chadwick wrote:

can you tell me about the little bar or whatever that is, yes? please!

I've no idea. Maybe it's in the old district of Beijing. The one below is The Glamour Bar in Shanghai.

ONCE DEVIDED

The next one
that is untill he has been in for Half a term and canot get stuff done because of an opposition in the senate who wont pass the bills he promised and was voted in to acheive.
he or she will probably be saddled with even more debt and stupid wars to try and wriggle away from.
but he or she will be blamed for it regardless.
Thats the american way isnt it
or is it the democraitic way

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Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

I take it Reagan's a hero of yours then?

I liked him yea but not a hero, you just seemed to get a little over the top on this one, I think the same can be said for just about every president or leader of any country.

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Godfather.

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

The next one
that is untill he has been in for Half a term and canot get stuff done because of an opposition in the senate who wont pass the bills he promised and was voted in to acheive.
he or she will probably be saddled with even more debt and stupid wars to try and wriggle away from.
but he or she will be blamed for it regardless.
Thats the american way isnt it
or is it the democraitic way

ahh nooo ...next time we get to blame obama for all that is wrong with the world and needless killing.

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Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

I liked him yea but not a hero, you just seemed to get a little over the top on this one, I think the same can be said for just about every president or leader of any country.

Over the top? How so?

You think the same can be said for any other leader of any country? How many leaders of any other country trained, funded, and supported death squads which saw hundreds of thousands slaughtered and raped?

How many leaders of any other country repeatedly lied to the public, pissed on the constution, and turned their country into nothing but a corporate dictatorship?

But you liked him? Why?

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I liked him yea but not a hero, you just seemed to get a little over the top on this one, I think the same can be said for just about every president or leader of any country.

Over the top? How so?

You think the same can be said for any other leader of any country? How many leaders of any other country trained, funded, and supported death squads which saw hundreds of thousands slaughtered and raped?

How many leaders of any other country repeatedly lied to the public, pissed on the constution, and turned their country into nothing but a corporate dictatorship?

But you liked him? Why?

I'm pretty sure every president has had a death squad sense Nixon at least (CIA) and then there was guys like
Saddam and the that guy from the phillipines..his name escapes me and n there was Hitler and more but not to say it's o.k just saying that your accusations are true all over the world but you seem to be hatting on the US for the most part..why is that ?

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cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

I take it Reagan's a hero of yours then?

My favorite presidents...

Reagan
Jefferson
TR

cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

chadwick wrote:

can you tell me about the little bar or whatever that is, yes? please!

I've no idea. Maybe it's in the old district of Beijing. The one below is The Glamour Bar in Shanghai.

Yeah, those are some great pics. I think I'd like drinking at the little shitty bar more though the view is way better at the other bar.

Byrnzie

cincybearcat wrote:

Reagan

Why?

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

there was guys like Saddam and the that guy from the phillipines..his name escapes me and n there was Hitler and more but not to say it's o.k just saying that your accusations are true all over the world but you seem to be hatting on the US for the most part..why is that ?

Read the title of this thread again.

cincybearcat

Byrnzie wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Reagan

Why?

You know, you will not like my answer regardless. But I'll share one of the biggest reasons for me...

He was an inspiring leader. If there were more politicians like him, the world would be better off. Certainly, as with all administrations there is good and there is bad. But his ability to inspire a nation and even garner support from outside the normal party lines was and is inspiring.

To be honest, I actually thought Obama had a chance to be a similar type leader. Still does, but he'll have to get the ball rolling soon.

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Byrnzie wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

there was guys like Saddam and the that guy from the phillipines..his name escapes me and n there was Hitler and more but not to say it's o.k just saying that your accusations are true all over the world but you seem to be hatting on the US for the most part..why is that ?

Read the title of this thread again.

.....uhh yea I knew that. my mistake.

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