Greatest President in American History?

musicismylife78

From the modern era, or historical, who is your pick for the greatest president in American History?

Shawshank

musicismylife78 wrote:

From the modern era, or historical, who is your pick for the greatest president in American History?

Although he was never the saint mythology has turned him into, Abraham Lincoln wins it for me hands down. I bet he was a trip to sit down and have a chat with.

Byrnzie

None of them were great. They were politicians.

haffajappa

Byrnzie wrote:

None of them were great. They were politicians.

catefrances

james marshall


get off my plane

chadwick

c.j. krueger

BinauralJam

FDR

youngster

Truman

maj4e

I like Truman, Adams & TR.

pandora

I was too young to know Kennedy, I was in 2nd grade when he was shot.
I remember sitting at my desk, rubbing my hands on the shiny surface.
The announcement came over the loud speaker.
We were all let go early, I had a 3 block walk home. My Mama was crying when I got there.
He was so well liked I would have to say him although I know not of what he did.
I also liked Reagan's cheery ways and his rosy cheeks, he too was well liked,
I think he enjoyed a little green now and then.
I still believed in our Presidents back then.

mysticweed

pandora wrote:

I was too young to know Kennedy, I was in 2nd grade when he was shot.
I remember sitting at my desk, rubbing my hands on the shiny surface.
The announcement came over the loud speaker.
We were all let go early, I had a 3 block walk home. My Mama was crying when I got there.
He was so well liked I would have to say him although I know not of what he did.
I also liked Reagan's cheery ways and his rosy cheeks, he too was well liked,
I think he enjoyed a little green now and then.
I still believed in our Presidents back then.

ditto

Shawshank

pandora wrote:

I was too young to know Kennedy, I was in 2nd grade when he was shot.
I remember sitting at my desk, rubbing my hands on the shiny surface.
The announcement came over the loud speaker.
We were all let go early, I had a 3 block walk home. My Mama was crying when I got there.
He was so well liked I would have to say him although I know not of what he did.
I also liked Reagan's cheery ways and his rosy cheeks, he too was well liked,
I think he enjoyed a little green now and then.
I still believed in our Presidents back then.

I've got a nice framed display that has an autographed pic of JFK staring at me right now here in my office, along with some other trinkets that came from the White House when he was President. I'm a history nut, so I collect a lot of things. I guess the weirdest thing I have, and yes even I'll admit that it's weird, is a lock of Abraham Lincoln's hair, along with a fragment of the flag that flew on his funeral train. Again, I know it's weird, but a relative of mine was a part of the Lincoln administration, and it was passed down over time. Back then, it was very common to send locks of hair to loved ones, and it was never thought of as strange at all. I have this deal framed in my office and even today I find myself fascinated by it for some reason.

pandora

Shawshank wrote:

pandora wrote:

I was too young to know Kennedy, I was in 2nd grade when he was shot.
I remember sitting at my desk, rubbing my hands on the shiny surface.
The announcement came over the loud speaker.
We were all let go early, I had a 3 block walk home. My Mama was crying when I got there.
He was so well liked I would have to say him although I know not of what he did.
I also liked Reagan's cheery ways and his rosy cheeks, he too was well liked,
I think he enjoyed a little green now and then.
I still believed in our Presidents back then.

I've got a nice framed display that has an autographed pic of JFK staring at me right now here in my office, along with some other trinkets that came from the White House when he was President. I'm a history nut, so I collect a lot of things. I guess the weirdest thing I have, and yes even I'll admit that it's weird, is a lock of Abraham Lincoln's hair, along with a fragment of the flag that flew on his funeral train. Again, I know it's weird, but a relative of mine was a part of the Lincoln administration, and it was passed down over time. Back then, it was very common to send locks of hair to loved ones, and it was never thought of as strange at all. I have this deal framed in my office and even today I find myself fascinated by it for some reason.

I don't think thats weird at all, I think its very cool.
My mother in law traced their tree and she found they are related to Lincoln somehow...as are my kids now but I bet a lot of people might be able to say that

unsung

Thomas Jefferson

Godfather.

My time, Slick Willy Clinton.
Before My time, FDR.

Godfather.

Jason P

Martin Van Buren!

I don't know what he did, but any man that could sport the half-balding / muttonchop look with authority had to have been a force of nature.

Electric_Delta

James Madison

Ronald Reagan

JFK

jamburger

Jason P wrote:

Martin Van Buren!

I don't know what he did, but any man that could sport the half-balding / muttonchop look with authority had to have been a force of nature.

PLUS... did you know he inspired the name for a tough NYC street gang?!?!?!?!



Quick Georgie... flash them the sign!

Byrnzie

Electric_Delta wrote:

Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans, along with the rape of thousands of women - including the raping of nuns.
He also lied to the American public and pissed on the constitution, setting the standard for further top level abuses of power in the future - Papa Bush, and Bush junior, for example.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronal ... an_iF.html
'...In the 1980s, U.S.-backed forces committed widespread massacres, political murders and torture. Tens of thousands of civilians died. Many of the dead were children. Soldiers routinely raped women before executing them.
There can be no doubt, too, that President Reagan was an avid supporter of the implicated military forces, that he supplied them with weapons and that he actively sought to discredit human rights investigators and journalists who exposed the crimes...'


http://www.counterpunch.org/gaspar06062004.html
'...Reagan's economic policies were a disaster for working-class Americans. Reagan presided over the worst recession since the 1930s, and economic growth in the 1980s was lower than in the 1970s, despite the stimulus of military Keynesian policies, which created massive federal budget deficits and tripled the federal debt. By the end of the decade, real wages were down and the poverty rate had increased by 20 percent.

Reagan was also a liar. In November 1986, he publicly denied that his administration had been illegally selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the contras. One week later he was forced to retract this statement, but denied that the sale was part of a deal to free U.S. hostages. The following year, Reagan admitted that there had been an arms-for-hostages deal, but denied he knew anything about it.

In 1992, that too proved to be a lie when former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was compelled to release notes from a January 1986 meeting revealing, "President decided to go with Israeli-Iranian offer to release our 5 hostages in return for sale of 4,000 TOWs [U.S. missiles] to Iran by Israel."

The man whose administration spearheaded class warfare on behalf of the rich, dragged American politics to the right, and rebuilt US imperialism after the Vietnam debacle, is dead. Good riddance.'

Jason P

jamburger wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Martin Van Buren!

I don't know what he did, but any man that could sport the half-balding / muttonchop look with authority had to have been a force of nature.

PLUS... did you know he inspired the name for a tough NYC street gang?!?!?!?!



Quick Georgie... flash them the sign!

Done and done!

Martin Van Buren, Greatest President Ever!

Commy

Byrnzie wrote:

None of them were great. They were politicians.

^ this.

Commy

Electric_Delta wrote:

James Madison

Ronald Reagan

JFK

reagan shifted 1 trillion into the private sector, from the public. he got rid funding for things like student loans and federal funds for education and battered women and gave them to billion dollar corporations.

its massive government spending on an already wealthy private sector. thats money you and i gave to them that they are still giving to the large corporations. its called neo liberalism, and reagan invented it. fuck him.

dimitrispearljam

which one didnt make a war?

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans, along with the rape of thousands of women - including the raping of nuns.
He also lied to the American public and pissed on the constitution, setting the standard for further top level abuses of power in the future - Papa Bush, and Bush junior, for example.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronal ... an_iF.html
'...In the 1980s, U.S.-backed forces committed widespread massacres, political murders and torture. Tens of thousands of civilians died. Many of the dead were children. Soldiers routinely raped women before executing them.
There can be no doubt, too, that President Reagan was an avid supporter of the implicated military forces, that he supplied them with weapons and that he actively sought to discredit human rights investigators and journalists who exposed the crimes...'


http://www.counterpunch.org/gaspar06062004.html
'...Reagan's economic policies were a disaster for working-class Americans. Reagan presided over the worst recession since the 1930s, and economic growth in the 1980s was lower than in the 1970s, despite the stimulus of military Keynesian policies, which created massive federal budget deficits and tripled the federal debt. By the end of the decade, real wages were down and the poverty rate had increased by 20 percent.

Reagan was also a liar. In November 1986, he publicly denied that his administration had been illegally selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the contras. One week later he was forced to retract this statement, but denied that the sale was part of a deal to free U.S. hostages. The following year, Reagan admitted that there had been an arms-for-hostages deal, but denied he knew anything about it.

In 1992, that too proved to be a lie when former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was compelled to release notes from a January 1986 meeting revealing, "President decided to go with Israeli-Iranian offer to release our 5 hostages in return for sale of 4,000 TOWs [U.S. missiles] to Iran by Israel."

The man whose administration spearheaded class warfare on behalf of the rich, dragged American politics to the right, and rebuilt US imperialism after the Vietnam debacle, is dead. Good riddance.'

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

Godfather.

Byrnzie wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Ronald Reagan

Ronald Reagan was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Latin Americans, along with the rape of thousands of women - including the raping of nuns.
He also lied to the American public and pissed on the constitution, setting the standard for further top level abuses of power in the future - Papa Bush, and Bush junior, for example.


http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronal ... an_iF.html
'...In the 1980s, U.S.-backed forces committed widespread massacres, political murders and torture. Tens of thousands of civilians died. Many of the dead were children. Soldiers routinely raped women before executing them.
There can be no doubt, too, that President Reagan was an avid supporter of the implicated military forces, that he supplied them with weapons and that he actively sought to discredit human rights investigators and journalists who exposed the crimes...'


http://www.counterpunch.org/gaspar06062004.html
'...Reagan's economic policies were a disaster for working-class Americans. Reagan presided over the worst recession since the 1930s, and economic growth in the 1980s was lower than in the 1970s, despite the stimulus of military Keynesian policies, which created massive federal budget deficits and tripled the federal debt. By the end of the decade, real wages were down and the poverty rate had increased by 20 percent.

Reagan was also a liar. In November 1986, he publicly denied that his administration had been illegally selling arms to Iran and using the proceeds to fund the contras. One week later he was forced to retract this statement, but denied that the sale was part of a deal to free U.S. hostages. The following year, Reagan admitted that there had been an arms-for-hostages deal, but denied he knew anything about it.

In 1992, that too proved to be a lie when former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger was compelled to release notes from a January 1986 meeting revealing, "President decided to go with Israeli-Iranian offer to release our 5 hostages in return for sale of 4,000 TOWs [U.S. missiles] to Iran by Israel."

The man whose administration spearheaded class warfare on behalf of the rich, dragged American politics to the right, and rebuilt US imperialism after the Vietnam debacle, is dead. Good riddance.'

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

Byrnzie

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

I take it Reagan's a hero of yours then?

Byrnzie

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Geeeze man you need a drink.

Godfather.

chadwick

^^^^^^ very diverse
i like both pictures and would like to visit both spots
can you tell me about the little bar or whatever that is, yes? please!

Byrnzie

chadwick wrote:

can you tell me about the little bar or whatever that is, yes? please!

I've no idea. Maybe it's in the old district of Beijing. The one below is The Glamour Bar in Shanghai.

ONCE DEVIDED

The next one
that is untill he has been in for Half a term and canot get stuff done because of an opposition in the senate who wont pass the bills he promised and was voted in to acheive.
he or she will probably be saddled with even more debt and stupid wars to try and wriggle away from.
but he or she will be blamed for it regardless.
Thats the american way isnt it
or is it the democraitic way