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Even Flow Bonnaroo - "Never vote Republican."

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    JaneNYJaneNY Posts: 4,438
    bernmodi wrote:

    Guess American Politics are just a riddle to most Europeans. After the last 8 years, how can any American really believe he will be better of with another republican president?

    Bernmodi, I am American but I ask the same question!
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    jeffbr wrote:
    Congress is relegated to inaction due to fear of a veto? Better to take up a cause and get vetoed than be seen as capitulating, as far as I'm concerned. But I don't believe your reasoning about why congress hasn't done anything. I think congress hasn't done anything because Democrats and Republicans are more alike than different when it comes to growing government and taking liberties. The FISA wiretapping issue highlights this. It wasn't inactivity, or fear of a veto. Most Dems (including Obama) voted FOR it. They actively voted in favor of violating the 4th ammendment. So quit making excuses for that worthless congress.

    AMEN to your reasoning!
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    bernmodi wrote:
    You're absolutely right, except, please don't call Bush a Nazi, he's just an asshole.

    Guess American Politics are just a riddle to most Europeans. After the last 8 years, how can any American really believe he will be better of with another republican president?
    It's not that you're better off with a Republican president... it's that you're no better off with a Democrat president.
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    bernmodi wrote:
    Guess American Politics are just a riddle to most Europeans. After the last 8 years, how can any American really believe he will be better of with another republican president?

    this type of thinking is what opens up the door for Communist politicians on the left, like Obama

    oh Bush screwed up the past 8 years, lets go the other route no matter who the Republican candidate is, even if the guy wants to take us to the pits of hell

    im not a Bush fan, but ill give him one thing, ive felt safer in this country than i ever have under any other President

    and when are we ever going to get over we either HAVE to chose Dem or Rep? when are we as people going to look outside the box?
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    Kel VarnsenKel Varnsen Posts: 1,951
    jeffbr wrote:
    Congress is relegated to inaction due to fear of a veto? Better to take up a cause and get vetoed than be seen as capitulating, as far as I'm concerned. But I don't believe your reasoning about why congress hasn't done anything. I think congress hasn't done anything because Democrats and Republicans are more alike than different when it comes to growing government and taking liberties. The FISA wiretapping issue highlights this. It wasn't inactivity, or fear of a veto. Most Dems (including Obama) voted FOR it. They actively voted in favor of violating the 4th ammendment. So quit making excuses for that worthless congress.

    I always wondered about this. I am canadian so I don't get the full exposure to US politics. But you are right they do seem to be using the Veto as an excuse. When if I was a politician I would be using that veto as a way to make him and his party look bad. Send something up to the white house every day for him to sign or veto. If he is vetoing stuff on a daily basis it is going to make him look even worse then he does. Make him earn that veto power. To just not bother is lazy.
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,302
    pjalive21 wrote:
    this type of thinking is what opens up the door for Fascist politicians on the left, like Obama

    you have no idea what fascist means, do you? go look it up. bush has taken us into fascism (not that we weren't on our way already).

    if any of obama's rhetoric is something i will get behind, it is some of his stances that are completely ANTI-fascist.
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    Pats54Pats54 Posts: 276
    I always wondered about this. I am canadian so I don't get the full exposure to US politics. But you are right they do seem to be using the Veto as an excuse. When if I was a politician I would be using that veto as a way to make him and his party look bad. Send something up to the white house every day for him to sign or veto. If he is vetoing stuff on a daily basis it is going to make him look even worse then he does. Make him earn that veto power. To just not bother is lazy.

    I like it when they do nothing anyway. Because that something usually leads to higher taxes and more govt. regulation. Gridlock=Good
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    NewJPage wrote:
    you have no idea what fascist means, do you? go look it up. bush has taken us into fascism (not that we weren't on our way already).

    if any of obama's rhetoric is something i will get behind, it is some of his stances that are completely ANTI-fascist.

    ok i stand corrected...Communism...i was in a rush when writing that, yeah i know how can i get the two mixed up, guess that happens when you are multi-tasking..maybe i was thinking of Bush at the time :)

    sorry, i stand corrected

    DeKalb, IL??? nice to meet you neighbor!
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,302
    pjalive21 wrote:
    ok i stand corrected...Communism...i was in a rush when writing that..maybe i was thinking of Bush at the time :)

    sorry, i stand corrected

    DeKalb, IL??? nice to meet you neighbor!

    stop drinking the kool-aid. as a progressive, i think obama is pretty weak. he is VERY centrist, and has always been. his latest moves are basically snuggling up to mccain. its BS. we haven't had a real true left-wing president since FDR.

    and where do you live neighbor?????
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    pjalive21pjalive21 St. Louis, MO Posts: 2,818
    NewJPage wrote:
    stop drinking the kool-aid. as a progressive, i think obama is pretty weak. he is VERY centrist, and has always been. his latest moves are basically snuggling up to mccain. its BS. we haven't had a real true left-wing president since FDR.

    and where do you live neighbor?????

    stop drinking the kool-aid? c'mon, im a free thinker, you are the one who labels themselves as a "progressive" which is another title for someone on the left..i have no title, no affiliation, and no party

    look lets agree to disagree..i respect your views

    well at least we agree Obama is weak, and you are right FDR set the standard for left-wing

    St. Louis...close enough i guess right :)
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,302
    pjalive21 wrote:
    stop drinking the kool-aid? c'mon, im a free thinker, you are the one who labels themselves as a "progressive" which is another title for someone on the left..i have no title, no affiliation, and no party

    look lets agree to disagree..i respect your views

    well at least we agree Obama is weak, and you are right FDR set the standard for left-wing

    St. Louis...close enough i guess right :)

    its a few hours...i made the trip down for VFC in '04...good times!!

    but i will tell you you are drinking kool-aid if you think obama is communist...:)
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    jeffbr wrote:
    Congress is relegated to inaction due to fear of a veto? Better to take up a cause and get vetoed than be seen as capitulating, as far as I'm concerned. But I don't believe your reasoning about why congress hasn't done anything. I think congress hasn't done anything because Democrats and Republicans are more alike than different when it comes to growing government and taking liberties. The FISA wiretapping issue highlights this. It wasn't inactivity, or fear of a veto. Most Dems (including Obama) voted FOR it. They actively voted in favor of violating the 4th ammendment. So quit making excuses for that worthless congress.


    Please explain to me how wiretapping terrorists in foreign countries (who are waging war against us) is a violation of the 4th amendment.
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    gusturtlegusturtle Posts: 440
    No he usually doesn't say "Never vote Republican" during Evenflow. it was an ad-lib. question answered.

    on the contrary, i've always thought this is what he says, nearly every time he sings it.
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    jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Please explain to me how wiretapping terrorists in foreign countries (who are waging war against us) is a violation of the 4th amendment.

    That wouldn't be. But do you think wiretapping US citizens in this country who aren't terrorists would qualify?
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
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    slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,757
    ovechkin8 wrote:
    question answered wrong

    i would say more than 50% of the time (probably closer to 75%) he says something like "never go republican" or "don't go republican" at the end of evenflow.

    I never knew that was the line ... and kind of think you guys are hearing things. Though I guess it makes more sense than my own interpretation, which was something about Snuffleupagus, the big, drunk elephant-looking thing from Sesame Street.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
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