To die with dignity is to die gracefully.
Have you died with someone?
I have.
They did not request to be 'put down'
you must understand the journey..a must before you go
oh bullshit. understand the journey my butthole. i understand plenty. and im sure ill understand when im lying in my bed wasting away from an illness that my journey is rapidly coming to its terminus. i ahve already made it very very clear to all my childrena nd the rest of my family that under no circumstances am i to be kept alive against my will. what they choose to do is beyond my power, i totally understand that. but i would hope thye respect me enough to carry out my dying wish.
and yes i have died with someone so dont be making assumptions cause youve decided to take some sort of moral high ground based on your beliefs.
you are are always so bold ... your enthusiasm to be admired
has nothing to do with being kept alive by any means I thought we were talking about taking lives.
It is not moral ground when you slowly die with some one you love. But it is a lesson learned. At least for me.
well its not so much boldness as not allowing the sovereignty of my body impinged upon by others.
and yes we are talking about lives. lives compromised to such an extent that the owner wishes for it to end with dignity and with grace and to make that decision whilst they are still able to do so. and to have that decision respected.
and im sorry but it is moral highground when you bring God into it as you did earlier... as if we cant make a decision about our own lives. go with God in Gods own time.. fuck that bullshit. i didnt ask to be brought into this world but you can bet your life i will decide when to leave it if it is within my power to do so.
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you are are always so bold ... your enthusiasm to be admired
has nothing to do with being kept alive by any means I thought we were talking about taking lives.
It is not moral ground when you slowly die with some one you love. But it is a lesson learned. At least for me.
well its not so much boldness as not allowing the sovereignty of my body impinged upon by others.
and yes we are talking about lives. lives compromised to such an extent that the owner wishes for it to end with dignity and with grace and to make that decision whilst they are still able to do so. and to have that decision respected.
and im sorry but it is moral highground when you bring God into it as you did earlier... as if we cant make a decision about our own lives. go with God in Gods own time.. fuck that bullshit. i didnt ask to be brought into this world but you can bet your life i will decide when to leave it if it is within my power to do so.
Well I think it is a boldness, it is right here in these words. Quite strong...A conviction to this life and only this life, with no belief in the beyond. It is understandable then how you feel. For me and we were giving opinions right? not trying to change anyones opinion.. it was a yes or no...mines no.. no to ending ones life.
It seems that those who choose not to believe in a hereafter are threatened or insulted or something by those that do.Enough so that is is bullshit that I speak.. your opinion does not upset me why so with mine? Why must there be lashing out?
you are are always so bold ... your enthusiasm to be admired
has nothing to do with being kept alive by any means I thought we were talking about taking lives.
It is not moral ground when you slowly die with some one you love. But it is a lesson learned. At least for me.
well its not so much boldness as not allowing the sovereignty of my body impinged upon by others.
and yes we are talking about lives. lives compromised to such an extent that the owner wishes for it to end with dignity and with grace and to make that decision whilst they are still able to do so. and to have that decision respected.
and im sorry but it is moral highground when you bring God into it as you did earlier... as if we cant make a decision about our own lives. go with God in Gods own time.. fuck that bullshit. i didnt ask to be brought into this world but you can bet your life i will decide when to leave it if it is within my power to do so.
Well I think it is a boldness, it is right here in these words. Quite strong...A conviction to this life and only this life, with no belief in the beyond. It is understandable then how you feel. For me and we were giving opinions right? not trying to change anyones opinion.. it was a yes or no...mines no.. no to ending ones life.
It seems that those who choose not to believe in a hereafter are threatened or insulted or something by those that do.Enough so that is is bullshit that I speak.. your opinion does not upset me why so with mine? Why must there be lashing out?
i dont feel threatened by you or anybody else who chooses to believe in a God. nor do i feel insulted. but the gall you display with that assumption is more telling than anything youve said in this thread so far.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
To die with dignity is to die gracefully.
Have you died with someone?
I have.
They did not request to be 'put down'
you must understand the journey..a must before you go
So have I. She requested to go on her terms. She was the mistress of her journey which she understood perfectly. She died in peace when she was ready, with family and friends.
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Well I think it is a boldness, it is right here in these words. Quite strong...A conviction to this life and only this life, with no belief in the beyond. It is understandable then how you feel. For me and we were giving opinions right? not trying to change anyones opinion.. it was a yes or no...mines no.. no to ending ones life.
It seems that those who choose not to believe in a hereafter are threatened or insulted or something by those that do.Enough so that is is bullshit that I speak.. your opinion does not upset me why so with mine? Why must there be lashing out?
i dont feel threatened by you or anybody else who chooses to believe in a God. nor do i feel insulted. but the gall you display with that assumption is more telling than anything youve said in this thread so far.
And being unkind to others with a different viewpoint clearly says a lot about you. Coming from my viewpoint it appears you must be threatened or insulted to lash out at me...put me down...why else do you do this?
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Well I think it is a boldness, it is right here in these words. Quite strong...A conviction to this life and only this life, with no belief in the beyond. It is understandable then how you feel. For me and we were giving opinions right? not trying to change anyones opinion.. it was a yes or no...mines no.. no to ending ones life.
It seems that those who choose not to believe in a hereafter are threatened or insulted or something by those that do.Enough so that is is bullshit that I speak.. your opinion does not upset me why so with mine? Why must there be lashing out?
i dont feel threatened by you or anybody else who chooses to believe in a God. nor do i feel insulted. but the gall you display with that assumption is more telling than anything youve said in this thread so far.
And being unkind to others with a different viewpoint clearly says a lot about you. Coming from my viewpoint it appears you must be threatened or insulted to lash out at me...put me down...why else do you do this?
i'm not putting you down pandora... just the religiosity of your pov, which i will continue to do because i find it a blight on humanity. dont get me wrong, i understand its place but its never one i subscribed to. its not a need i feel. and again im neither threatened or insulted. what would i be threatened by? and insulted?... by what? why i appear so agressive is a response to the way it is implied by modern society that one is religious. ive had my fair share of sympathy looks when i reveal im an atheist... like my life is missing something due to the absence of God. and i can tell you without reservation that the absence of God is the least of my worries.
and i dont have a problem with people expressing a view counter to my own. i just feel the need to express mine... which as im sufre youre aware is what i do, and what i will continue to do. if that makes me appear threatened or insulted, i dont care, simply because words never threaten... me nor do i feel insulted by what someone elses opinion. so no matter how you want to spin it pandora i simply couldnt care less. and if you think im being unkind then you dont know me at all, which i suspected all along.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i dont feel threatened by you or anybody else who chooses to believe in a God. nor do i feel insulted. but the gall you display with that assumption is more telling than anything youve said in this thread so far.
And being unkind to others with a different viewpoint clearly says a lot about you. Coming from my viewpoint it appears you must be threatened or insulted to lash out at me...put me down...why else do you do this?
i'm not putting you down pandora... just the religiosity of your pov, which i will continue to do because i find it a blight on humanity. dont get me wrong, i understand its place but its never one i subscribed to. its not a need i feel. and again im neither threatened or insulted. what would i be threatened by? and insulted?... by what? why i appear so agressive is a response to the way it is implied by modern society that one is religious. ive had my fair share of sympathy looks when i reveal im an atheist... like my life is missing something due to the absence of God. and i can tell you without reservation that the absence of God is the least of my worries.
and i dont have a problem with people expressing a view counter to my own. i just feel the need to express mine... which as im sufre youre aware is what i do, and what i will continue to do. if that makes me appear threatened or insulted, i dont care, simply because words never threaten... me nor do i feel insulted by what someone elses opinion. so no matter how you want to spin it pandora i simply couldnt care less. and if you think im being unkind then you dont know me at all, which i suspected all along.
It can be hard to know someone who doesn't want you to know them.
I'm not religious..I know nothing of religion...
I just believe in a hereafter and God.
How would I be a blight?
I ask nothing from you but love for your fellow man.
It would not be me who would give you any kind of a look for being an atheist...
I guess you do not know me and I am an open book. Yet you jump on me and assume I would...you are on the defensive.
Why would I care if you believe in God or not? You confuse me with someone else.
There are many like me that just want all faiths to get along and love each other and treat each other with kindness and respect and sensitivity.
life can be like a really bad movie. If you've sat through half of it and it has SUCKED so far, chances are it's not going to get really good at the end. Might as well leave the theatre.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
euthanasia should be allowed for anyone... as long as it isn't being coerced by anyone and is entirely that person's decision.
Life is like animal porn... it ain't for everybody.
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I go along with those that agree to euthanasia. If an animal is unwell we'll put it out of it's misery but a human we'll keep alive often with them in pain.
euthanasia should be allowed for anyone... as long as it isn't being coerced by anyone and is entirely that person's decision.
Life is like animal porn... it ain't for everybody.
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I go along with those that agree to euthanasia. If an animal is unwell we'll put it out of it's misery but a human we'll keep alive often with them in pain.
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In my last line of work, euthanasia is viewed as a good thing. It literally means 'good death' (Greek saying) because we are ending the body's suffering so that the soul can move on. It it a hard thing to watch, and assisted suicide has recently been approved in human medicine here in Washington State. A person must have 2 doctors approve the procedure before it can be carried out, but some people are having a hard time getting both doctors to approve. It is a very personal decision but in the right circumstances, I am all for it.
The joy of life comes from our encounters with new experiences, and hence there is no greater joy than to have an endlessly changing horizon, for each day to have a new and different sun.
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how you die in my opinion is not in our hands.. as I said I believe in a journey, many believe this is it here.
My journey is not only in my hands
well its not so much boldness as not allowing the sovereignty of my body impinged upon by others.
and yes we are talking about lives. lives compromised to such an extent that the owner wishes for it to end with dignity and with grace and to make that decision whilst they are still able to do so. and to have that decision respected.
and im sorry but it is moral highground when you bring God into it as you did earlier... as if we cant make a decision about our own lives. go with God in Gods own time.. fuck that bullshit. i didnt ask to be brought into this world but you can bet your life i will decide when to leave it if it is within my power to do so.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
It seems that those who choose not to believe in a hereafter are threatened or insulted or something by those that do.Enough so that is is bullshit that I speak.. your opinion does not upset me why so with mine? Why must there be lashing out?
i dont feel threatened by you or anybody else who chooses to believe in a God. nor do i feel insulted. but the gall you display with that assumption is more telling than anything youve said in this thread so far.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So have I. She requested to go on her terms. She was the mistress of her journey which she understood perfectly. She died in peace when she was ready, with family and friends.
i'm not putting you down pandora... just the religiosity of your pov, which i will continue to do because i find it a blight on humanity. dont get me wrong, i understand its place but its never one i subscribed to. its not a need i feel. and again im neither threatened or insulted. what would i be threatened by? and insulted?... by what? why i appear so agressive is a response to the way it is implied by modern society that one is religious. ive had my fair share of sympathy looks when i reveal im an atheist... like my life is missing something due to the absence of God. and i can tell you without reservation that the absence of God is the least of my worries.
and i dont have a problem with people expressing a view counter to my own. i just feel the need to express mine... which as im sufre youre aware is what i do, and what i will continue to do. if that makes me appear threatened or insulted, i dont care, simply because words never threaten... me nor do i feel insulted by what someone elses opinion. so no matter how you want to spin it pandora i simply couldnt care less. and if you think im being unkind then you dont know me at all, which i suspected all along.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I'm not religious..I know nothing of religion...
I just believe in a hereafter and God.
How would I be a blight?
I ask nothing from you but love for your fellow man.
It would not be me who would give you any kind of a look for being an atheist...
I guess you do not know me and I am an open book. Yet you jump on me and assume I would...you are on the defensive.
Why would I care if you believe in God or not? You confuse me with someone else.
There are many like me that just want all faiths to get along and love each other and treat each other with kindness and respect and sensitivity.
I go along with those that agree to euthanasia. If an animal is unwell we'll put it out of it's misery but a human we'll keep alive often with them in pain.
+3
In my last line of work, euthanasia is viewed as a good thing. It literally means 'good death' (Greek saying) because we are ending the body's suffering so that the soul can move on. It it a hard thing to watch, and assisted suicide has recently been approved in human medicine here in Washington State. A person must have 2 doctors approve the procedure before it can be carried out, but some people are having a hard time getting both doctors to approve. It is a very personal decision but in the right circumstances, I am all for it.
- Christopher McCandless