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voluntary euthanasia?? yes or no?

neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
edited October 2010 in All Encompassing Trip
if a loved one is treminally ill and in a great deal of pain

i just read michael caine asked a dr. to do this for his father many years ago

the dr. said no no no at first but finally agreed

he told caine to come back at midnight and his father passed at 12 05



i agree..thoughs?
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  • vmfuryvmfury Posts: 1,091
    I agree 100%. I think the decision to live or die should be that of the individual suffering from a terminal illness. From a religious standpoint, some would argue against this, but I do not think a person should be in extreme pain for the remainder of his or her life simply because they are waiting for God to decide. I think euthanasia should be legal and practiced when deemed medically necessary.
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  • JBiiJBii Posts: 354
    Yes but I think there should maybe be a waiting time.
    Perhaps a 7 day period, there is no coming back!
    That what you fear the most could meet you halfway
  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    JBii wrote:
    Yes but I think there should maybe be a waiting time.
    Perhaps a 7 day period, there is no coming back!


    CAINE'S FATHER HAD 4 days to live so it was happening quick

    its a no brainer
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    I think YES... aside from the suffering of the dying person you also have the financial, emotional strain on the family... but on the other hand there are sometimes ulterior motives like inheritance or family disputes that would make it hard to give the family the final say... its definitely not as black and white as some would have you believe
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  • Heineken HelenHeineken Helen Posts: 18,095
    Kilgore_Trout wrote:
    I think YES... aside from the suffering of the dying person you also have the financial, emotional strain on the family... but on the other hand there are sometimes ulterior motives like inheritance or family disputes that would make it hard to give the family the final say... its definitely not as black and white as some would have you believe
    Agreed... I agree with it but I think it should be very very very tough to do. I'm not sure it's fair to ask somebody else to take your life though. It's a horrible thing to ask somebody!
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Agreed... I agree with it but I think it should be very very very tough to do. I'm not sure it's fair to ask somebody else to take your life though. It's a horrible thing to ask somebody!
    especially somebody that's taken an oath to do everything in their power to keep people ALIVE

    they would need to keep a special "euthanizer" on the payroll
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    The end result either way is death, so ??? I don't know. I wouldn't ask anybody to do it to me and I wouldn't have it done for anybody else. If the end result is death then suffering wouldn't matter cause your going to die anyway.
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    if i ever learn im in that situation ...i want out
    i post on the board of a band that doesn't exsist anymore .......i need my head examined.......
  • FenwayFaithfulFenwayFaithful Posts: 8,626
    This thread reminds me of the HBO Film, "You Don't Know Jack" from last year, starring Al Pacino. It's a very sensitive subject, but one worth considering nonetheless.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,025
    Kilgore_Trout wrote:
    Heineken Helen wrote:
    Agreed... I agree with it but I think it should be very very very tough to do. I'm not sure it's fair to ask somebody else to take your life though. It's a horrible thing to ask somebody!
    especially somebody that's taken an oath to do everything in their power to keep people ALIVE

    they would need to keep a special "euthanizer" on the payroll
    The oath includes the statement " first , do no harm"

    so the question is which is more harmful

    a. to allow someone to suffer when they will die anyway

    b. end the suffering as painlessly as possible.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    edited October 2010
    I think we have an obligation, no matter how difficult, to do what's in the best interest of our loved ones & to respect their decisions - in all situations. (Of course this doesn't apply if what's in their best interest infringes upon the rights of others or if they're not of sound mind to make their own decisions, though if they can't make their own decisions & we're making decisions for them we still have to do what's in their best interest.) Some people value quality of life over just life for its own sake and some people would do anything to end their horrible suffering. I think I'm one of them, though no one really knows what they would want until they're in that situation.
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  • jezebeloriajezebeloria Posts: 600
    edited October 2010
    vmfury wrote:
    I agree 100%. I think the decision to live or die should be that of the individual suffering from a terminal illness. From a religious standpoint, some would argue against this, but I do not think a person should be in extreme pain for the remainder of his or her life simply because they are waiting for God to decide. I think euthanasia should be legal and practiced when deemed medically necessary.


    +1 Did a paper on this back in the college days. I don't believe people understand the financial toll, emotional stress etc that keeping a loved one alive creates. If the end result is death why prolong the agony for everyone? If this is the persons wishes they should be granted.
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  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    My aunt's father (he's not related to me, it's my mother's brother's wife's dad) was recently diagnosed with ALS (Lou Gerig's Disease), and it's moving quick. This time last year he was playing competitive tennis, now he's unable to walk without aid. This is a degenerative disease for which there is no cure, nor even a treatment to ease the pain. Eventually, he will lose the ability to move, then to speak and then even to eat. When he finally dies naturally, which I'm told is when the muscles in your chest can no longer support your lungs and you suffocate, he will spend his last remaining moments on earth bedridden, unable to speak (despite the fact evidence shows ALS sufferers still are sharp in their minds, just unable to use their bodies) and being fed through a tube. If it were me facing an end like this, I'd like the opportunity to end my life on my own terms. I wouldn't think poorly of anyone else who decided that either.
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  • Nothingman54Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    Yes but I think there should maybe be a waiting time.
    Perhaps a 7 day period, there is no coming back!

    My uncle had 1 week to live. He lived 12 more years. He lived them good.
    CAINE'S FATHER HAD 4 days to live so it was happening quick

    its a no brainer
    I'll be back
  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    yes absolutely
    take me out
    if i cannot do it myself
    my husband and i have those living will pull the plug documents but i am unsure of what point is considered "it"
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  • EnkiduEnkidu Posts: 2,996
    My grandfather (my mother's father) and my dad were very very close. My grandfather asked my father to promise to never do anything extraordinary (is that the term?) to keep him alive if he got sick. My father agreed. Then my grandfather had a stroke. It wasn't too terrible, but then he had a series of strokes and he wasn't near death, but he couldn't speak, couldn't take care of himself, had to live in a nursing home and it was horrible. I remember seeing him as a child and the look in his eyes - horrible. He lived for probably six or seven years. And my dad was sick about it because there was nothing he could do. Just watch my grandfather suffer.

    I've always thought it's interesting we're able to put our sick pets to sleep and that's fine, I think it's almost like a gift we can give the pets we love so much. We help end their suffering. But why can't we do it for humans we love?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    Yes but I think there should maybe be a waiting time.
    Perhaps a 7 day period, there is no coming back!


    CAINE'S FATHER HAD 4 days to live so it was happening quick

    its a no brainer
    If its happening quick.... then wait and go with God in God's time.

    I'm not for euthanasia.

    How and when we leave this world should not be in our hands or another humans hands.
    It is still about the journey, the path we are on individually, here and there and on our way there.
  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    euthanasia should be allowed for anyone... as long as it isn't being coerced by anyone and is entirely that person's decision.

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  • jezebeloriajezebeloria Posts: 600
    Enkidu wrote:
    My grandfather (my mother's father) and my dad were very very close. My grandfather asked my father to promise to never do anything extraordinary (is that the term?) to keep him alive if he got sick. My father agreed. Then my grandfather had a stroke. It wasn't too terrible, but then he had a series of strokes and he wasn't near death, but he couldn't speak, couldn't take care of himself, had to live in a nursing home and it was horrible. I remember seeing him as a child and the look in his eyes - horrible. He lived for probably six or seven years. And my dad was sick about it because there was nothing he could do. Just watch my grandfather suffer.

    I've always thought it's interesting we're able to put our sick pets to sleep and that's fine, I think it's almost like a gift we can give the pets we love so much. We help end their suffering. But why can't we do it for humans we love?


    Agreed. This is probably a never ending debate though. Especially for people who are religious.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    if a loved one is treminally ill and in a great deal of pain

    i just read michael caine asked a dr. to do this for his father many years ago

    the dr. said no no no at first but finally agreed

    he told caine to come back at midnight and his father passed at 12 05



    i agree..thoughs?

    i support the right to die with dignity.
    hear my name
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    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    neilybabes86 wrote:
    JBii wrote:
    Yes but I think there should maybe be a waiting time.
    Perhaps a 7 day period, there is no coming back!


    CAINE'S FATHER HAD 4 days to live so it was happening quick

    its a no brainer
    If its happening quick.... then wait and go with God in God's time.

    I'm not for euthanasia.

    How and when we leave this world should not be in our hands or another humans hands.
    It is still about the journey, the path we are on individually, here and there and on our way there.

    are you kidding me? i have every right to take myself out of the equation. if i were in extreme terminal pain then no one but me has the right to end it. and if that is my wish then no one has the right to keep me here. how i leave this world should absolutely be in my hands. i will decide when the journey ends and under what circumstances. we afford our pets a dignified death why not ourselves?
    hear my name
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  • Digital TwilightDigital Twilight Posts: 5,642
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    If its happening quick.... then wait and go with God in God's time.

    I'm not for euthanasia.

    How and when we leave this world should not be in our hands or another humans hands.
    It is still about the journey, the path we are on individually, here and there and on our way there.

    are you kidding me? i have every right to take myself out of the equation. if i were in extreme terminal pain then no one but me has the right to end it. and if that is my wish then no one has the right to keep me here. how i leave this world should absolutely be in my hands. i will decide when the journey ends and under what circumstances. we afford our pets a dignified death why not ourselves?

    Agreed. God has played no part in my life and he has no part to play in my death.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    To die with dignity is to die gracefully.
    Have you died with someone?
    I have.
    They did not request to be 'put down'
    you must understand the journey..a must before you go :D
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,870
    pandora wrote:
    If its happening quick.... then wait and go with God in God's time.

    I'm not for euthanasia.

    How and when we leave this world should not be in our hands or another humans hands.
    It is still about the journey, the path we are on individually, here and there and on our way there.

    So does this mean you're also objected to all prescription drugs, wearing glasses, using wheelchairs, wearing a hearing aid, and setting foot in an ICU, since it all puts control on when you leave this world?
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    mookeywrench wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    If its happening quick.... then wait and go with God in God's time.

    I'm not for euthanasia.

    How and when we leave this world should not be in our hands or another humans hands.
    It is still about the journey, the path we are on individually, here and there and on our way there.

    So does this mean you're also objected to all prescription drugs, wearing glasses, using wheelchairs, wearing a hearing aid, and setting foot in an ICU, since it all puts control on when you leave this world?
    thats over the top don't you think..we are talking about death not living
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    pandora wrote:
    To die with dignity is to die gracefully.
    Have you died with someone?
    I have.
    They did not request to be 'put down'
    you must understand the journey..a must before you go :D

    oh bullshit. understand the journey my butthole. i understand plenty. and im sure ill understand when im lying in my bed wasting away from an illness that my journey is rapidly coming to its terminus. i ahve already made it very very clear to all my childrena nd the rest of my family that under no circumstances am i to be kept alive against my will. what they choose to do is beyond my power, i totally understand that. but i would hope thye respect me enough to carry out my dying wish.

    and yes i have died with someone so dont be making assumptions cause youve decided to take some sort of moral high ground based on your beliefs.
    hear my name
    take a good look
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    hold my hand
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    catefrances wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    To die with dignity is to die gracefully.
    Have you died with someone?
    I have.
    They did not request to be 'put down'
    you must understand the journey..a must before you go :D

    oh bullshit. understand the journey my butthole. i understand plenty. and im sure ill understand when im lying in my bed wasting away from an illness that my journey is rapidly coming to its terminus. i ahve already made it very very clear to all my childrena nd the rest of my family that under no circumstances am i to be kept alive against my will. what they choose to do is beyond my power, i totally understand that. but i would hope thye respect me enough to carry out my dying wish.

    and yes i have died with someone so dont be making assumptions cause youve decided to take some sort of moral high ground based on your beliefs.
    you are are always so bold ... your enthusiasm to be admired :D
    has nothing to do with being kept alive by any means I thought we were talking about taking lives.
    It is not moral ground when you slowly die with some one you love. But it is a lesson learned. At least for me.
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,870
    pandora wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    If its happening quick.... then wait and go with God in God's time.

    I'm not for euthanasia.

    How and when we leave this world should not be in our hands or another humans hands.
    It is still about the journey, the path we are on individually, here and there and on our way there.

    So does this mean you're also objected to all prescription drugs, wearing glasses, using wheelchairs, wearing a hearing aid, and setting foot in an ICU, since it all puts control on when you leave this world?
    thats over the top don't you think..we are talking about death not living

    I'd say they go hand-in-hand, God's time is God's time.
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    mookeywrench wrote:
    I'd say they go hand-in-hand, God's time is God's time.
    huh got me there kiddo :D but to be honest
    no I don't believe in P drugs... and yes I believe in Gods time if that is the ...?
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,870
    pandora wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    I'd say they go hand-in-hand, God's time is God's time.
    huh got me there kiddo :D but to be honest
    no I don't believe in P drugs... and yes I believe in Gods time if that is the ...?

    Based on that example, I think if you have the right to choose how to live, then you should also have the right to choose how to die.
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