I like the 'Banish the Omen' myself...sounds ominous
When someone sneezes in public I feel sorry for them.
People more than ever are germaphobic
so it's kind of embarrassing for the person and they may feel others think they are contaminating the world.
A sneeze in itself is a surprise also for the person sneezing and those around.
This is when I speak, to say bless you, to fill the awkward moment and make them feel like they belong again.
It could be any words just fill that moment with something encouraging. 'Curse that dust' 'You are excused' ..wink
or 'Good luck with that!'
actually gesundheit is very attractive, works well for anyone.
I don't think of the word 'bless' as a religious word, I think of it as' have a nice day' or 'good luck to you'
'wishing someone well'
I think if you are lucky enough to be at the receiving end of loving thoughts, religious or otherwise, you are indeed fortunate. If its not your religious persuasion just love the giver for giving.
Same way I say god damn ... jesus christ etc ... it's a reflex ... and one I don't have a problem with.
I'm glad you made this point. Because no, you being agnostic those sayings don't bother you, but they WOULD bother a religious person. Taking the lord's name in vain is blasphemous. So it can go both ways.
And no, I'm not "upset" per say with people that say it, I just wouldn't appreciate someone thinking I'm rude for not spouting religious rhetoric when they expel snot out of their face.
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may I also make the point that people seem to say it out of some social duty. most of the time it's not even polite. it's just a droning "bless you" like it came from a robot. I mean, why bother?
it is, however, different if I am face to face with someone. I may actually say bless you, but as someone else said, it's more of an awkward moment sort of thing than anything else. but there's one woman at my work 10 cubes away that yells it across the room anytime someone sneezes. Am I then supposed to yell "THANK YOU!!!" back to her? makes it more awkward than if no one said anything.
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Same way I say god damn ... jesus christ etc ... it's a reflex ... and one I don't have a problem with.
I'm glad you made this point. Because no, you being agnostic those sayings don't bother you, but they WOULD bother a religious person. Taking the lord's name in vain is blasphemous. So it can go both ways.
And no, I'm not "upset" per say with people that say it, I just wouldn't appreciate someone thinking I'm rude for not spouting religious rhetoric when they expel snot out of their face.
I'm never around anyone religious enough that they care ... the only time I had to stop saying either of the above was while living in the US where I noticed some people did take offence ... I found the US in general to be much more religious than the UK and maybe that is why I don't find the 'bless you' thing a problem ... never known anyone who had a problem with it in the same way I'd never known anyone who had a problem with blasphemy until I lived in the States.
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I think if you are lucky enough to be at the receiving end of loving thoughts, religious or otherwise, you are indeed fortunate. If its not your religious persuasion just love the giver for giving.
i appreciate sarcasm Mr. David...in fact, i practice it daily...
i dont understand y anyone would get mad for someone saying it to them, just because they dont say it to others...thats just silly...people say stupid shit all the time...having someone say "bless you" to you is the least of our worries.
that being said...
maybe i'll start saying, "screw you"
as in...screw you for infecting me with your germs
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Catholic guilt is an amazing animal, I tell ya...12 years of catholic school and I'm still recovering.
I almost always type 'gawd' and 'geezus'....I still have the urge to say 'bless you'. i feel shame knowing that god watches me masturbate, and I'm imprisoning my seed in rubber when I have sex...;)
I don't lose sleep over any of that....
The thing that does get to me tho is the belief in heaven, and the way it's used by pretty much EVERYONE to explain death to children....it is not an easy topic for me, as an agnostic, to discuss with my kids, when everyone else around them (including my ex wife) tells them that the loved ones they've lost are up in the sky....
Between 18 and 35% of the population sneezes when exposed to sudden bright light.
I'm one of those wackos. It's fucking annoying too. Every time I get out of the car on a sunny day, or go outside in general, or even a bright room, it happens, sometimes in multiple succession. People are always asking me if I have allergies. I say "yeah, bright light, just call me Gizmo".
Me too. It comes in handy though sometimes when you feel like you have to sneeze but it just won't come out...all you have to do is look at the sun, or another light and bam!
Me too. It comes in handy though sometimes when you feel like you have to sneeze but it just won't come out...all you have to do is look at the sun, or another light and bam!
you know what's funny.........I just realized that when someone says they have a sneeze but it just won't happen, I tell them to look at the light, always thinking it worked for everyone....and they usually looked at me like I was some freak!
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not sure if your second paragraph was directed at me or not, but let me just say I don't get MAD when someone says it to me. In fact, I'm very polite when they do and I always say "thanks". I just said it makes me uncomfortable.
I'd love it if I sneezed and someone yelled out "screw you, germy!".
i appreciate sarcasm Mr. David...in fact, i practice it daily...
i dont understand y anyone would get mad for someone saying it to them, just because they dont say it to others...thats just silly...people say stupid shit all the time...having someone say "bless you" to you is the least of our worries.
that being said...
maybe i'll start saying, "screw you"
as in...screw you for infecting me with your germs
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I think you read a wee bit too much into the actual point. This is not an anti-religion thread. I just don't like saying bless you, with or without the god part, because I'm not religious, so it makes no fucking sense for me to bless someone. Is that not simple enough?
I wouldn't have a problem saying gasundheit (not religious), but it sounds ridiculous coming from a Canadian white male. I don't give a shit about how steeped we are in religion.
how about every time you hear someone fart you say to them "Devil damn you". That would be polite if you were a Satanist, so it must be nice for everyone, right? I mean, our history is steeped in wicken tradition and all, too, right?
the lengths some of you people go to kick off another don't-hate-on-religion tirade astounds me.
Really? Someone having an objection to being 'damned', satanist or otherwise is a relevant comparison to you taking an amicable gesture and warping it beyond recognition?
And no, "Wiccan Tradition" (I can only assume this is what you mean) has by no means made a similar historical impact on our society's consiousness, however if it had weaved its way into modern language in the form of a similar pleasantry rest assured I'd not be gravely offended by it on the grounds that I am in fact, NOT a Witch
My "don't hate on religion tirades" are completely reactionary. The lengths I go to will be exactly proportionate to every time I read someone like you unnecessarily drag religion up into a negative light,...far more I might add than any religious person I've ever met might mention it otherwise.
Me too. It comes in handy though sometimes when you feel like you have to sneeze but it just won't come out...all you have to do is look at the sun, or another light and bam!
you know what's funny.........I just realized that when someone says they have a sneeze but it just won't happen, I tell them to look at the light, always thinking it worked for everyone....and they usually looked at me like I was some freak!
Someone recently told me that this is a characteristic of people with Nordic ancestry.
read my original post again. I think you'll find you are acting like a child. I in no way shape or form said anything to bring religion into a negative light (however, you're doing a damn fine job of bringing yourself into negative status). I simply asked a simple question: "do you say (god) bless you when someone sneezes, I don't, it kinda makes me uncomfortable, am I nuts?".
Oops! I mentioned the word God and I'm not religious! I must be anti-religion then, right?
My "don't hate on religion tirades" are completely reactionary. The lengths I go to will be exactly proportionate to every time I read someone like you unnecessarily drag religion up into a negative light,...far more I might add than any religious person I've ever met might mention it otherwise.
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It's very nice to recognize or have well wishes for others whether in the simplest thing as a sneeze or the biggest thing as a time of tragedy, but with that said, it's a very centric idea to presume and speak on others behalf that everyone thinks, feels or believes what you do. Saying things like "i'm praying for you" can be a sign of a nice gesture, but just as easily be insulting to someone who isn't of faith or that particular one. And in my opinion, when you cast your believe or thought upon someone else, atleast have the decency to think for before you speak. So don't assume people are just like you which is basically all such sayings turn into. I wouldn't say to someone "I wish you well, but don't pray about it, cause there's no god", so I would hope someone would use their own bit of common sense and not say to me "i'm praying for you". I simply say things like I wish you well or hope things turn out ok, etc. Direct, but not centric to just what I think and believe. I don't think that's too much to expect in life from anyone, just requires acceptance of others without just simply speaking as if everyone is just like me.
I get what you're saying although on this particular saying, I generally ignore it from habit... but it annoys me when people say things like "have a blessed day" or wish me celebratory saluations for religious holidays for which I don't practice or believe. .. ie merry x-mas or something.
Personally I think that is pretty messed up.
I wouldn't get annoyed if someone wished me a Happy Hanukkah or anything else. People don't know what YOU believe, they only know what they believe and celebrate. If they want to wish me well during that time frame, how does that hurt me in the slightest?
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It's very nice to recognize or have well wishes for others whether in the simplest thing as a sneeze or the biggest thing as a time of tragedy, but with that said, it's a very centric idea to presume and speak on others behalf that everyone thinks, feels or believes what you do.
I totally agree with this part.
Saying things like "i'm praying for you" can be a sign of a nice gesture, but just as easily be insulting to someone who isn't of faith or that particular one. And in my opinion, when you cast your believe or thought upon someone else, atleast have the decency to think for before you speak. So don't assume people are just like you which is basically all such sayings turn into. I wouldn't say to someone "I wish you well, but don't pray about it, cause there's no god", so I would hope someone would use their own bit of common sense and not say to me "i'm praying for you". I simply say things like I wish you well or hope things turn out ok, etc. Direct, but not centric to just what I think and believe. I don't think that's too much to expect in life from anyone, just requires acceptance of others without just simply speaking as if everyone is just like me.
I disagree with this part. Saying you'll pray for someone else does not impose your beliefs onto them or presume that that share your faith. Praying for someone is nothing more than you acting in accordance with your own beliefs. It only imposes your beliefs on others if you ask them to pray - just as they are imposing their beliefs on you if they think you shouldn't pray just because they disagree with your beliefs.
Ok but here's the point, why must anyone emphasize what benefits them directly (such as praying) to somehow bring relief, sympathy or similar on another person who may not think or believe the same? It's no different from a Christian telling a Muslim that Jesus loves him and is watching out for them... it's merely displaced belief and thought in a centric, selfish manner, even if meant in a nice way or gesture. Why not just say something generic that doesn't incorporate a personal thought or belief compared to extending it to another? In my opinion, part of it is laziness that people assume everyone is like them, a lack of diversity that people think no one is different, or selfish to think that what you do should be acknowledge as ok by others. It's just about better judgment in many respects.. it's not just the sentiment, it's also how you say and go about things that people recognize in life. Just because some find legitimacy or comfort in things like prayer, doesn't mean others can relate, and if someone is really trying to go out of their way to pay some respects or offer a sign of sympathy, why do it on your own terms compared to the person who you're relaying the message too? It's backwards logic and rational.
I disagree with this part. Saying you'll pray for someone else does not impose your beliefs onto them or presume that that share your faith. Praying for someone is nothing more than you acting in accordance with your own beliefs. It only imposes your beliefs on others if you ask them to pray - just as they are imposing their beliefs on you if they think you shouldn't pray just because they disagree with your beliefs.
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Ok but here's the point, why must anyone emphasize what benefits them directly (such as praying) to somehow bring relief, sympathy or similar on another person who may not think or believe the same? It's no different from a Christian telling a Muslim that Jesus loves him and is watching out for them... it's merely displaced belief and thought in a centric, selfish manner, even if meant in a nice way or gesture. Why not just say something generic that doesn't incorporate a personal thought or belief compared to extending it to another? In my opinion, part of it is laziness that people assume everyone is like them, a lack of diversity that people think no one is different, or selfish to think that what you do should be acknowledge as ok by others. It's just about better judgment in many respects.. it's not just the sentiment, it's also how you say and go about things that people recognize in life. Just because some find legitimacy or comfort in things like prayer, doesn't mean others can relate, and if someone is really trying to go out of their way to pay some respects or offer a sign of sympathy, why do it on your own terms compared to the person who you're relaying the message too? It's backwards logic and rational.
I disagree with this part. Saying you'll pray for someone else does not impose your beliefs onto them or presume that that share your faith. Praying for someone is nothing more than you acting in accordance with your own beliefs. It only imposes your beliefs on others if you ask them to pray - just as they are imposing their beliefs on you if they think you shouldn't pray just because they disagree with your beliefs.
I agree with scb. When my husband was between life and death for weeks, I had the 'god brigade' (as my very practicing catholic friend called her church), muslims, jews, sikhs praying for my husband. He also had wicca spells and healing hands. No one asked me to believe in their prayers (and they know I don't) but what is important is that THEY believed it could help. Even my atheist friends were wishing for a miracle (which, by definition is also deemed to be an act of god or supernatural force). Comfort didn't come from prayers but from the fact that my friends did what they felt was the most powerful thing they could. My strength came from theirs. Naturally prayer was not the only comfort they offered.
My husband is alive and not doing too bad. 'Science' estimated he would either be dead or a vegetable/ severely disabled and it was a miracle he is as he is (what the neurosuregon said!). So maybe after all prayers did help seeing science and logic 'decided' he was a goner!
read my original post again. I think you'll find you are acting like a child. I in no way shape or form said anything to bring religion into a negative light (however, you're doing a damn fine job of bringing yourself into negative status). I simply asked a simple question: "do you say (god) bless you when someone sneezes, I don't, it kinda makes me uncomfortable, am I nuts?".
Oops! I mentioned the word God and I'm not religious! I must be anti-religion then, right?
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You are nuts! The whole concept is mental!
If I were to say 'bless you' when you sneezed, I'd make you feel uncomfortable. This in mind i'm not shocked to see you consider me "doing a damn fine job of bringing (myself) into negative status" for completely disagreeing with you.
Don't be facetious; of course you can mention God without being anti-religion, however your misplaced discomfort constitutes negativity and such negativity was only ever going to tease more, similarly, irrationally negative comments out of the woodwork,...have a browse back through and see what I mean.
It's true, I can be childish. I suggest though, that your issues with non-commital pleasantries may not be those of a mature person either.
If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but the whole thread pangs to me of a subtle excuse to canvas a bit of recreational prejudice,...but if completely accidental, surely you can see how that evolution was inevitable?
I know it sounds strange, but I've always had a problem saying this to someone after they sneeze. I guess, being agnostic, that's where it stems from. It kinda makes me uncomfortable blessing someone.
Anyone else have this (possiby) odd tendency?
i hate it... its a social convention thing that i just cant do.. i never say it to others, i hate it when people say it to me...
one guy in the office says it after anyone sneezes... 11 people in this room... come december its all the fucker ever says... he even says it after people do that repeat sneeze thing... like me after I pull out a nose hair... i know i'm going to sneeze about 8 or 9 times after that... there is no need for him to say it!!!
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
not sure if your second paragraph was directed at me or not, but let me just say I don't get MAD when someone says it to me. In fact, I'm very polite when they do and I always say "thanks". I just said it makes me uncomfortable.
I'd love it if I sneezed and someone yelled out "screw you, germy!".
i appreciate sarcasm Mr. David...in fact, i practice it daily...
i dont understand y anyone would get mad for someone saying it to them, just because they dont say it to others...thats just silly...people say stupid shit all the time...having someone say "bless you" to you is the least of our worries.
that being said...
maybe i'll start saying, "screw you"
as in...screw you for infecting me with your germs
was not directed at you...was just posting my thoughts on people who posted the get mad when someone says it to them....not everyone in the world can know your faith/religion/beliefs....just appreciate the kindness
now, screw you!!
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I'm not saying you brought negativity on yourself for disagreeing with me, I am open to mature debate. What I don't take lightly is someone attacking me for supposedly fishing for an anti-religion sentiment, which I was not. My wife is religious, all of her family, my brother and his family are born agains, I respect everyone's faith.
You call it "misplaced discomfort". Who the hell are you to say it's misplaced? My emotions and reactions are just as relevant as anyone else's. Look at several of the posters in this thread, they share my same sentiment, which I honestly did not expect.
I did NOT expect this thread to take the turn that it did. If it offends you, then, well, then take it up with what others are saying, not that I started it. I honestly thought I'd get a bunch of people telling me I'm nuts (much as you did) and rolling eyes and such. Nothing more.
Your ultra-sensitivity with regards to your faith is obviously your cross to bear, so to speak, not anyone else's.
CAN I SAY ONCE AGAIN: YOU ARE TAKING THIS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Take a step back and take this for what it is.
read my original post again. I think you'll find you are acting like a child. I in no way shape or form said anything to bring religion into a negative light (however, you're doing a damn fine job of bringing yourself into negative status). I simply asked a simple question: "do you say (god) bless you when someone sneezes, I don't, it kinda makes me uncomfortable, am I nuts?".
Oops! I mentioned the word God and I'm not religious! I must be anti-religion then, right?
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You are nuts! The whole concept is mental!
If I were to say 'bless you' when you sneezed, I'd make you feel uncomfortable. This in mind i'm not shocked to see you consider me "doing a damn fine job of bringing (myself) into negative status" for completely disagreeing with you.
Don't be facetious; of course you can mention God without being anti-religion, however your misplaced discomfort constitutes negativity and such negativity was only ever going to tease more, similarly, irrationally negative comments out of the woodwork,...have a browse back through and see what I mean.
It's true, I can be childish. I suggest though, that your issues with non-commital pleasantries may not be those of a mature person either.
If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but the whole thread pangs to me of a subtle excuse to canvas a bit of recreational prejudice,...but if completely accidental, surely you can see how that evolution was inevitable?
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who said they were being persecuted by religion?? look at the thread title. it's not "Don't bless me!", it's I, I, I don't do it!" and you know what? I actually feel guilty for not saying to people, like it's some social obligation and I'm being rude by not saying it.
After this ridiculousness? Not any more. I can tell you that. :?
I knew about intolerance of God (God’s)
However, being intolerant of good manners or politeness is just messed up....
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I knew about intolerance of God (God’s)
However, being intolerant of good manners or politeness is just messed up....
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When someone sneezes in public I feel sorry for them.
People more than ever are germaphobic
so it's kind of embarrassing for the person and they may feel others think they are contaminating the world.
A sneeze in itself is a surprise also for the person sneezing and those around.
This is when I speak, to say bless you, to fill the awkward moment and make them feel like they belong again.
It could be any words just fill that moment with something encouraging. 'Curse that dust' 'You are excused' ..wink
or 'Good luck with that!'
actually gesundheit is very attractive, works well for anyone.
I don't think of the word 'bless' as a religious word, I think of it as' have a nice day' or 'good luck to you'
'wishing someone well'
I think if you are lucky enough to be at the receiving end of loving thoughts, religious or otherwise, you are indeed fortunate. If its not your religious persuasion just love the giver for giving.
I'm glad you made this point. Because no, you being agnostic those sayings don't bother you, but they WOULD bother a religious person. Taking the lord's name in vain is blasphemous. So it can go both ways.
And no, I'm not "upset" per say with people that say it, I just wouldn't appreciate someone thinking I'm rude for not spouting religious rhetoric when they expel snot out of their face.
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it is, however, different if I am face to face with someone. I may actually say bless you, but as someone else said, it's more of an awkward moment sort of thing than anything else. but there's one woman at my work 10 cubes away that yells it across the room anytime someone sneezes. Am I then supposed to yell "THANK YOU!!!" back to her? makes it more awkward than if no one said anything.
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I'm never around anyone religious enough that they care ... the only time I had to stop saying either of the above was while living in the US where I noticed some people did take offence ... I found the US in general to be much more religious than the UK and maybe that is why I don't find the 'bless you' thing a problem ... never known anyone who had a problem with it in the same way I'd never known anyone who had a problem with blasphemy until I lived in the States.
Kind of like "peace be upon you". Maybe we shouldn't say that to people either, for fear of offending people who support war. :roll:
Well said.
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Exactly!
i appreciate sarcasm Mr. David...in fact, i practice it daily...
i dont understand y anyone would get mad for someone saying it to them, just because they dont say it to others...thats just silly...people say stupid shit all the time...having someone say "bless you" to you is the least of our worries.
that being said...
maybe i'll start saying, "screw you"
as in...screw you for infecting me with your germs
I almost always type 'gawd' and 'geezus'....I still have the urge to say 'bless you'. i feel shame knowing that god watches me masturbate, and I'm imprisoning my seed in rubber when I have sex...;)
I don't lose sleep over any of that....
The thing that does get to me tho is the belief in heaven, and the way it's used by pretty much EVERYONE to explain death to children....it is not an easy topic for me, as an agnostic, to discuss with my kids, when everyone else around them (including my ex wife) tells them that the loved ones they've lost are up in the sky....
Me too. It comes in handy though sometimes when you feel like you have to sneeze but it just won't come out...all you have to do is look at the sun, or another light and bam!
Off-topic, I hate the winky emoticon on this website. Looks more like a "I'm being a sarcastic jerk" emoticon than a "jkjk" emoticon. But I digress...
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you know what's funny.........I just realized that when someone says they have a sneeze but it just won't happen, I tell them to look at the light, always thinking it worked for everyone....and they usually looked at me like I was some freak!
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I'd love it if I sneezed and someone yelled out "screw you, germy!".
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Really? Someone having an objection to being 'damned', satanist or otherwise is a relevant comparison to you taking an amicable gesture and warping it beyond recognition?
And no, "Wiccan Tradition" (I can only assume this is what you mean) has by no means made a similar historical impact on our society's consiousness, however if it had weaved its way into modern language in the form of a similar pleasantry rest assured I'd not be gravely offended by it on the grounds that I am in fact, NOT a Witch
My "don't hate on religion tirades" are completely reactionary. The lengths I go to will be exactly proportionate to every time I read someone like you unnecessarily drag religion up into a negative light,...far more I might add than any religious person I've ever met might mention it otherwise.
Someone recently told me that this is a characteristic of people with Nordic ancestry.
Oops! I mentioned the word God and I'm not religious! I must be anti-religion then, right?
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It's very nice to recognize or have well wishes for others whether in the simplest thing as a sneeze or the biggest thing as a time of tragedy, but with that said, it's a very centric idea to presume and speak on others behalf that everyone thinks, feels or believes what you do. Saying things like "i'm praying for you" can be a sign of a nice gesture, but just as easily be insulting to someone who isn't of faith or that particular one. And in my opinion, when you cast your believe or thought upon someone else, atleast have the decency to think for before you speak. So don't assume people are just like you which is basically all such sayings turn into. I wouldn't say to someone "I wish you well, but don't pray about it, cause there's no god", so I would hope someone would use their own bit of common sense and not say to me "i'm praying for you". I simply say things like I wish you well or hope things turn out ok, etc. Direct, but not centric to just what I think and believe. I don't think that's too much to expect in life from anyone, just requires acceptance of others without just simply speaking as if everyone is just like me.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I totally agree with this part.
I disagree with this part. Saying you'll pray for someone else does not impose your beliefs onto them or presume that that share your faith. Praying for someone is nothing more than you acting in accordance with your own beliefs. It only imposes your beliefs on others if you ask them to pray - just as they are imposing their beliefs on you if they think you shouldn't pray just because they disagree with your beliefs.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I agree with scb. When my husband was between life and death for weeks, I had the 'god brigade' (as my very practicing catholic friend called her church), muslims, jews, sikhs praying for my husband. He also had wicca spells and healing hands. No one asked me to believe in their prayers (and they know I don't) but what is important is that THEY believed it could help. Even my atheist friends were wishing for a miracle (which, by definition is also deemed to be an act of god or supernatural force). Comfort didn't come from prayers but from the fact that my friends did what they felt was the most powerful thing they could. My strength came from theirs. Naturally prayer was not the only comfort they offered.
My husband is alive and not doing too bad. 'Science' estimated he would either be dead or a vegetable/ severely disabled and it was a miracle he is as he is (what the neurosuregon said!). So maybe after all prayers did help seeing science and logic 'decided' he was a goner!
But we digress from the thread....
You are nuts! The whole concept is mental!
If I were to say 'bless you' when you sneezed, I'd make you feel uncomfortable. This in mind i'm not shocked to see you consider me "doing a damn fine job of bringing (myself) into negative status" for completely disagreeing with you.
Don't be facetious; of course you can mention God without being anti-religion, however your misplaced discomfort constitutes negativity and such negativity was only ever going to tease more, similarly, irrationally negative comments out of the woodwork,...have a browse back through and see what I mean.
It's true, I can be childish. I suggest though, that your issues with non-commital pleasantries may not be those of a mature person either.
If I'm wrong, I'm sorry, but the whole thread pangs to me of a subtle excuse to canvas a bit of recreational prejudice,...but if completely accidental, surely you can see how that evolution was inevitable?
Oh the horror of it!!
If people want to look for ways that they are being persecuted by religion, they WILL find them....regardless if they're really there.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i hate it... its a social convention thing that i just cant do.. i never say it to others, i hate it when people say it to me...
one guy in the office says it after anyone sneezes... 11 people in this room... come december its all the fucker ever says... he even says it after people do that repeat sneeze thing... like me after I pull out a nose hair... i know i'm going to sneeze about 8 or 9 times after that... there is no need for him to say it!!!
was not directed at you...was just posting my thoughts on people who posted the get mad when someone says it to them....not everyone in the world can know your faith/religion/beliefs....just appreciate the kindness
now, screw you!!
You call it "misplaced discomfort". Who the hell are you to say it's misplaced? My emotions and reactions are just as relevant as anyone else's. Look at several of the posters in this thread, they share my same sentiment, which I honestly did not expect.
I did NOT expect this thread to take the turn that it did. If it offends you, then, well, then take it up with what others are saying, not that I started it. I honestly thought I'd get a bunch of people telling me I'm nuts (much as you did) and rolling eyes and such. Nothing more.
Your ultra-sensitivity with regards to your faith is obviously your cross to bear, so to speak, not anyone else's.
CAN I SAY ONCE AGAIN: YOU ARE TAKING THIS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY TOO SERIOUSLY. Take a step back and take this for what it is.
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After this ridiculousness? Not any more. I can tell you that. :?
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However, being intolerant of good manners or politeness is just messed up....
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tough crowd