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Obama sorry for 1940s tests in Guatemala
President Barack Obama has personally apologised to his Guatemalan counterpart for a US-led study conducted in the 1940s, in which hundreds of people in the Latin American state were deliberately infected with sexually-transmitted diseases.
In a phone conversation with Guatemalan President Alvaro Colom, Obama expressed his deep regret for the experiment conducted by US public health researchers in Guatemala between 1946 and 1948, and apologised "to all those affected".
The US president also vowed that all human medical studies conducted today will be held to exacting US and international legal and ethical standards.
"This is shocking, it's tragic, it's reprehensible," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters, adding to apologies and outrage voiced by the president, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and other US officials.
In an impromptu news conference in Guatemala on Friday, Colom denounced the study as "a crime against humanity", and said he had learned of the gruesome years-long experiment in the phone call from Clinton.
Clinton had phoned Colom on Thursday to express her personal outrage and deep regret over the "reprehensible research".
"What happened all those years ago is a crime against humanity and the government reserves the right to lodge a formal legal complaint over it," Colom said.
But almost immediately, he backed off his tough talk, saying: "We are aware that this is not the policy of the United States... this happened so long ago."
Clinton and Sebelius said in a joint statement on Friday that the study was "clearly unethical" and apologised to all those who had been affected by it.
Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the US government body that funded the study, called it "deeply disturbing" and "an appalling example in a dark chapter in the history of medicine".
Senator Robert Menendez, a member of the congressional Hispanic caucus, called the experiments in Guatemala one of the "darkest moments" in US history.
"No innocent fellow human should be treated as a lab rat, no matter your nationality," Menendez said.
The study, which was never published, came to light this year after Wellesley College professor Susan Reverby stumbled upon archived documents outlining the 1940s experiment led by controversial US public health doctor John Cutler.
Cutler and his fellow researchers enrolled people in Guatemala, including mental patients, for the study, which aimed to find out if penicillin, relatively new in the 1940s, could be used to prevent sexually transmitted diseases.
"There is no evidence study participants gave informed consent, and in fact... the subjects were often deceived about what was being done to them," Collins told reporters as he outlined the experiment's most flagrant ethics violations.
The US doctor behind the Guatemala study, Cutler, was also involved in a highly controversial study known as the Tuskegee Experiment in which hundreds of African American men with late-stage syphilis were observed given no remedial treatment for 40 years, between 1932 and 1972.
Initially, the researchers infected female commercial sex workers with gonorrhea or syphilis, and then allowed them to have unprotected sex with soldiers or prison inmates.
"When few of these men became infected, the research approach changed to direct inoculation of soldiers, prisoners and mental hospital patients," background documents on the study show.
A total of some 1,500 people took part in the study. At least one patient died during the experiments, although it is not clear whether the death was from the tests or from an underlying medical problem.
The US surgeon general in the 1940s, Thomas Parran, appeared to have been aware of the experiment, as were "components" of the Guatemalan government at the time, said Collins.
The Pan American Health Organisation, whose predecessor, the Pan American Sanitary Bureau, received grant money from the NIH for the study, expressed its "deep regrets for past ethics violations" and vowed to cooperate with investigators as they dig out specifics of the study.
Independent experts under the umbrella of the US Institute of Medicine will conduct a fact-finding probe of the Guatemala study, and the US Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues will convene international experts to review standards surrounding human medical research, Collins said.
Obama sorry for 1940s tests in Guatemala
President Barack Obama has personally apologised to his Guatemalan counterpart for a US-led study conducted in the 1940s, in which hundreds of people in the Latin American state were deliberately infected with sexually-transmitted diseases.
In a phone conversation with Guatemalan President Alvaro Colom, Obama expressed his deep regret for the experiment conducted by US public health researchers in Guatemala between 1946 and 1948, and apologised "to all those affected".
The US president also vowed that all human medical studies conducted today will be held to exacting US and international legal and ethical standards.
"This is shocking, it's tragic, it's reprehensible," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs told reporters, adding to apologies and outrage voiced by the president, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Health Secretary Kathleen Sebelius and other US officials.
In an impromptu news conference in Guatemala on Friday, Colom denounced the study as "a crime against humanity", and said he had learned of the gruesome years-long experiment in the phone call from Clinton.
Clinton had phoned Colom on Thursday to express her personal outrage and deep regret over the "reprehensible research".
"What happened all those years ago is a crime against humanity and the government reserves the right to lodge a formal legal complaint over it," Colom said.
But almost immediately, he backed off his tough talk, saying: "We are aware that this is not the policy of the United States... this happened so long ago."
Clinton and Sebelius said in a joint statement on Friday that the study was "clearly unethical" and apologised to all those who had been affected by it.
Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the US government body that funded the study, called it "deeply disturbing" and "an appalling example in a dark chapter in the history of medicine".
Senator Robert Menendez, a member of the congressional Hispanic caucus, called the experiments in Guatemala one of the "darkest moments" in US history.
"No innocent fellow human should be treated as a lab rat, no matter your nationality," Menendez said.
The study, which was never published, came to light this year after Wellesley College professor Susan Reverby stumbled upon archived documents outlining the 1940s experiment led by controversial US public health doctor John Cutler.
Cutler and his fellow researchers enrolled people in Guatemala, including mental patients, for the study, which aimed to find out if penicillin, relatively new in the 1940s, could be used to prevent sexually transmitted diseases.
"There is no evidence study participants gave informed consent, and in fact... the subjects were often deceived about what was being done to them," Collins told reporters as he outlined the experiment's most flagrant ethics violations.
The US doctor behind the Guatemala study, Cutler, was also involved in a highly controversial study known as the Tuskegee Experiment in which hundreds of African American men with late-stage syphilis were observed given no remedial treatment for 40 years, between 1932 and 1972.
Initially, the researchers infected female commercial sex workers with gonorrhea or syphilis, and then allowed them to have unprotected sex with soldiers or prison inmates.
"When few of these men became infected, the research approach changed to direct inoculation of soldiers, prisoners and mental hospital patients," background documents on the study show.
A total of some 1,500 people took part in the study. At least one patient died during the experiments, although it is not clear whether the death was from the tests or from an underlying medical problem.
The US surgeon general in the 1940s, Thomas Parran, appeared to have been aware of the experiment, as were "components" of the Guatemalan government at the time, said Collins.
The Pan American Health Organisation, whose predecessor, the Pan American Sanitary Bureau, received grant money from the NIH for the study, expressed its "deep regrets for past ethics violations" and vowed to cooperate with investigators as they dig out specifics of the study.
Independent experts under the umbrella of the US Institute of Medicine will conduct a fact-finding probe of the Guatemala study, and the US Presidential Commission for the Study of Bioethical Issues will convene international experts to review standards surrounding human medical research, Collins said.
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Clinton did what?
WTF is wrong with the human race????
Injecting people with fucking syphillus???
It just boggles the mind....
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I think we need to be careful with generalizations about government-funded research. Much (probably most) of the great advances in medical science have been government-funded & we have enough conspiracy theorist nuts out there ready to discount any good & valid research that can be associated in any way with the government. Much of my colleagues' research is government-funded & I would suggest that (in part because of such incidents as the Tuskegee Experiment) it goes through more rigorous human research reviews than any other research that is done today.
I kinda(really) doubt he had any involvment with it in 1940 it's just a few years before his time in fact there is probably very few if any people in the government left that can remember anything about it from here or guatemala, when is this guy gonna learn to shut up and just do his job,he spends more time saying I'm sorry
then anybody I have ever heard of MOVE FORWARD !!!! try doing your job Mr.president.
Godfather.
Then, the Nazi have no reason to apologise to the Jews, right?
Come on, fucking Jews... move on already!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
Godfather.
I cannot believe that there is an adult that I need to explain this to... seriously.
...
A. Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America.
B. The President of the United States represents the nation of the United States of America.
C. The United States of America did some pretty fucking shitty stuff to other countries in the past, such as injection fucking Syphillus into their citizens as experiments.
D. When the President of the United States of America apologiges to countries that the United States of America has done pretty fucking shitty stuff to, he is apologising on behalf of the nation of the United States of America for injecting their citizens with fucking Syphillus as experiments.
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I'm just surprized that you were unable to solve this simple, logical equation.
Hail, Hail!!!
And it's making a comeback, by the way.
that is the trouble with gov't funding of education materials. We lost out on Grant money because we had a drop in rates here, which is crazy because the drop in rates can be attributed to doing the work the grant funded. Once you actually do the work, they quit supporting you.
It is still pretty rare compared to other STIs but it is definitely on the rise. Sure hope they get their heads out of their asses soon with the grant money, or we are going to be seeing its sister HIV come along for the ride and start heading back up.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
That sucks. Just goes to show that we need more funding for public health in this country.
I'm just tired of seeing this fools only achievements are kissing everybody's ass and saying "I'm sorry".
and really ..you act like the US is a bad place to live and we have ruined the world,do you think the US did this just to attack Guatemala ? please read why it was done and think about the progress that this drug has made in countries all over the world, you have no idea what shitty stuff is,you and people like you sit at home and judge with little to no knowledge of the facts other than what you read on the net..I can 't believe you're that gullible to stand and argue and discredit your own country over a stupid ass Internet article so please save your A through D crap and US bashing for people that only care to see the surface or believe only what the Internet tells them,it's a big world out there and a lot more to it than the BS the net and media tells you..
I thought you might know better than that ?
Godfather.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I can tell you that you will not find or get all your answers on the net or t.v, thats why I don't understand peoples strong convictions on subjects they have little to no accurate information on.
most of the stuff we talk about has more entertainment value than anything if you don't believe me try reading the "LIBERTY PRESS" I not a obama follower but I still find most of what they print strictly entertainment and thats it.
Godfather.
in a straight answer to that NO, but I don't know that I find our health care system ethical either..new or old.
and also you are in the medical field right ? you must have a better idea about how experimental medicine works and how it is tested,what do think of the risk to gain factor in medicine ?
Godfather.
in my not so expert opinion, i believe that in experiments on human subjects the ends never justify the means, especially if the subject has no idea what you are injecting them with, in this case a bacterial agent,or that they can be harmed as a result of the experimental methods. these things have to be disclosed. anybody who has ever taken more than a week's worth of an ethics course would be able to recall that Kant said it is unethical to use people as a means to an end. and not to even get into the hippocratic oath where the first tenet is "do no harm"...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
XLNT answer, thanks.
it seems like a tough call humans or animals for testing is there another alternative ? a real rock and a hard spot, some would say a million deaths vs. 10 million saved or animal testing vs, human testing..there is no win win.
Godfather.
animal testing is a whole other issue for me. i don't like animal research because i tend to like animals more than people.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Lost popular vote
Brother ran the state
Many variations to the polling system
Elderly people were dooped
Cousin worked for a media group that leaked false reports his cousin George won Florida prior to votes being counted
Supreme court had one more conservative on it, ended up winning by one vote
Look at the coarse the country took after that idiot won, robust economy went to the shitter, 2 out of control wars, torture, letting 9 11 happen( don't blame Clinton, he wasn't president), role back on our rights like a God damn walmart sale, education frowned upon and underfunded, trying to put the 10 commandments up everyones ass just to appeal to evangelicals..... Gays getting dissed, eventhough Cheneys daughter is gay. I could go on for hours on what the previous administration did... But most of us who have a logical mind could figure it out. I'm not sold on Obama for a second term... But don't act like we are worse off? 90% of our problems are thanks to W.
Sorry for getting off subject, but I feel the thread already was hi jacked from talking about an event, to knocking Obama
if you are referring to me..I never said anybody has done a great job as president and as a matter of fact I don't believe obama could have done any better if the economy was in good shape when he got in..he just don't seem to know what he's doing every time I hear him speek..OO wait he dose seem to have apologizing down to brown nose science but so far that's all I have seen.
Godfather.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. What do you think we will find if we look beyond the internet? That this never really happened? Because nothing short of that information would excuse this behavior, whether or not we learned about it on the internet.
Do you believe this really happened? If so, are you actually suggesting that this is acceptable behavior for any reason?
Shit, I have to spend months of paperwork and human subject reviews and make people sign lengthy consents just to have residents complete a required survey!
I didn't offer any justification nor did I say it never happened,point is there is usually more to a story then you will read on the net, if it has anything to do with any government you will only get what any government wants you to hear or read and I would think most people would understand that by now.
Godfather.