Saw Black Crowes tonight in Austin

RITFWinCO

Great show. Really enjoyed it, but brought perspective about number of songs and length of PJ shows. Who else does what PJ does?

Cradles Broken Glass

I think Foo Fighters put on an awesome show when I saw them. I don't remember feeling short changed. In my opinion, they are one of the few (if not the only) bands that can come close to doing what PJ does.

gndcd402

paul mccartney...the man is 68 and he played a 3 hour, 34 song set here in pittsburgh. pj is mid-40's and played about two hours and less than 30 songs throughout 2010

red mos

I've seen FF 3 times and the first time was 14 songs (It was a festival, and it was on the TCATS tour and they only had 2 albums).

Saw them in 2005 with Weezer, Foos played 16 songs

Saw them in 2007 and they played 19.

Foos shows are great live enjoy every minute of it, but yeah, it seems to fly by. (wish they'd do bootleglegs, but their set is more or less the same each show/ tour).

Saw the crowes do about a 3 hr show last night, can't complain about that. Not big on 15-20 minute jams, but the show kicked ass. They played some of my faves. Really wanted to hear Appaloosa, but knew it was a longshot, considering their catalog. Amazing show.

But yes, it makes or should make, people appreciate pearl jam giving a 25- 30 song set every night of a tour; cause people still bitch about show length, and songs played.

SolarWorld

I look at these guys as a joke. I mean really after all these years you cant be "friends" with your brother but you can be in a band with him? Lame. Sure they maybe talented but there is way to much ego for me to take them seriously in anyway.

DewieCox

SolarWorld wrote:

I look at these guys as a joke. I mean really after all these years you cant be "friends" with your brother but you can be in a band with him? Lame. Sure they maybe talented but there is way to much ego for me to take them seriously in anyway.

The Black Crowes are one of the best rock bands walking the planet right now. You post out of ignorance.

I'd like to see PJ take a cue from them and really dig into their catalog of originals and bust out more interesting covers. I wouldn't wanna hear PJ jam like they do though b/c I don't think they could keep it as interesting.

Zod

I saw the black crowes open for Tom Petty at the gorge (a few days after the gorge 05 pj show). I didn't think there live show was all that great. I think call them one of the best rock bands walking the planet might be overrated and more like personal opinion?

Out of Bands I've seen.. Ones that have some close to PJ greatness are:

Bruce Springsteen when he places with the e-street band.
The Who
Foo Fighters
Tool
Metallica (even though I don't dig the newer albums, their live shows rock)

Thats all I can think of.. you usually get your 2 hours plus out of those bands at high quality consistent live performances.

Most other bands play shorter or inconsistent live. I've seen U2 a few times.. they both kicked ass and phone it in.. so I don't add them to the list.

DewieCox

Zod wrote:

I think call them one of the best rock bands walking the planet might be overrated and more like personal opinion?

What would you call a band that's consistently put out great music and played great shows over the course of 20 years?

Flagg

See if this fits your bill. Three hour show in Houston. Two hour show the next night in Austin. 5 repeated songs.

Sorry but the Crowes mix it up WAY more than PJ. And they have about 200 covers they pick from regularly.

And they have been doing it longer than PJ and they don't bother with "have to play the hits to keep the casual fans engaged" BS.

Oh, and they fucking tour their asses off. When it comes to touring Pearl Jam, as much as I love them, don't even come close to pulling off what the Crowes can do.

Flagg

RITFWinCO wrote:

Great show. Really enjoyed it, but brought perspective about number of songs and length of PJ shows. Who else does what PJ does?

PJ doesn't stretch out songs for 10 minutes or more though. When you play 4 minute songs you can fit more into the time.

Also 2 hours is the norm for PJ. Rare do they go beyond 2.5 hours.

SolarWorld

DewieCox wrote:

The Black Crowes are one of the best rock bands walking the planet right now. You post out of ignorance.

Over rated and self indulged...

best bands walking the planet, come on!

Easties

SolarWorld wrote:

Over rated and self indulged...

best bands walking the planet, come on!

I don't think the Crowes now are as good as the Crowes were with Marc Ford and Ed Harsch, but for me, to call them over rated is practically laughable. C'mon - Southern Harmony and Amorica in particular are two of the best albums of the 90's. I just hope you've listened to those two albums before you've called them over rated - otherwise you have no standing. Your talent barometer is set very, very high...

elwayvedder

will let you guys know more at the end of oct...I am taking Mrs ElwayVedder as a surprise when they come to The Tower next month in Philly...

SpinTheBlackCircle74

RITFWinCO wrote:

Great show. Really enjoyed it, but brought perspective about number of songs and length of PJ shows. Who else does what PJ does?

Bruce Springsteen, Wilco and Drive By Truckers

TheBeardedFellow

I love the Crowes to death, they're my other favorite band... but singing along with Chris at a show is nigh impossible. That's the only non-positive thing I have to say about them.

neilybabes86

the fact that they tour non-stop makes them great

hopethatuchoke

Flagg wrote:

PJ doesn't stretch out songs for 10 minutes or more though. When you play 4 minute songs you can fit more into the time.

Also 2 hours is the norm for PJ. Rare do they go beyond 2.5 hours.

Great point. I don't know where this misconception comes from that Pearl Jam play these epic, 3 hour long shows on a regular basis but outside of a small handful of shows the past 10 years or so, they average about 2 hours a show. 2.5 if you are lucky. Maybe it's all Ed's standard BS talk about getting the curfew pushed back that gets people thinking the shows are 3 hours but outside of the last Spectrum show, I haven't seen a really long show since State College in 2003. And they also don't switch up the setlist as much as many people insist.

And I am fortunate to live in Philly where the band has come through many times the past decade but others aren't so fortunate. I think this is a case of where you see which band cares about touring and making a decent amount of money (more than any of us ever will) and which band seemingly cares more about the money than reaching as many fans as possible.

Nitsua87

The Crowes are probably my second favorite band next to PJ. I've seen them 5 times in the last few years and they definitely go out of their way to tour in remote parts of the country. Yes, they jam out quite a lot and Chris Robinson does have his diva moments, but they play very obscure covers and are definitely one of the preeminent live acts of the past 20 years.

Luther Dickinson alone is worth going to see. That guy makes his guitar sing.

dcfaithful

Crowes are an incredible act, but I'd love for them to play longer. As a PJ fan, I think I've been a bit spoiled.

dcfaithful

Nitsua87 wrote:

The Crowes are probably my second favorite band next to PJ. I've seen them 5 times in the last few years and they definitely go out of their way to tour in remote parts of the country. Yes, they jam out quite a lot and Chris Robinson does have his diva moments, but they play very obscure covers and are definitely one of the preeminent live acts of the past 20 years.

Luther Dickinson alone is worth going to see. That guy makes his guitar sing.

Dude, second post today that I agree with 100%

veddertown

DewieCox wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

I look at these guys as a joke. I mean really after all these years you cant be "friends" with your brother but you can be in a band with him? Lame. Sure they maybe talented but there is way to much ego for me to take them seriously in anyway.

The Black Crowes are one of the best rock bands walking the planet right now. You post out of ignorance.

I'd like to see PJ take a cue from them and really dig into their catalog of originals and bust out more interesting covers. I wouldn't wanna hear PJ jam like they do though b/c I don't think they could keep it as interesting.

Couldn't have put that any better so I won't even try..

dcfaithful

Flagg wrote:

See if this fits your bill. Three hour show in Houston. Two hour show the next night in Austin. 5 repeated songs.

Sorry but the Crowes mix it up WAY more than PJ. And they have about 200 covers they pick from regularly.

And they have been doing it longer than PJ and they don't bother with "have to play the hits to keep the casual fans engaged" BS.

Oh, and they fucking tour their asses off. When it comes to touring Pearl Jam, as much as I love them, don't even come close to pulling off what the Crowes can do.

All valid, and excellent points.

Plain and simple the Crowes are a hard-working band.

As far as ego goes...I actually think they have very little of it. They could sell bigger venues, but they don't. As far as Chris and Rich go...they're brothers. Brothers always have tiffs...it's just how it goes.

They've had a phenomenal run, and after the hiatus after Lions, they came back with a huge bang and have made what is possibly the best two albums of their career.

They may not play as long as PJ does on a regular basis...but they don't need to. They give out plenty of good energy in the short sets they do...and it's incredibly hard to guess what they'll play on any night they mix it up so much.

dcfaithful

TheBeardedFellow wrote:

I love the Crowes to death, they're my other favorite band... but singing along with Chris at a show is nigh impossible. That's the only non-positive thing I have to say about them.

While I can agree with you on Chris's singing...he doesn't slaughter songs either. He gives great improv and lets face it, the guy can sing like a champ...so I'm cool with hearing him show off his vocal abilities.

bobasfeet

The Black Crowes are completely UNDERrated. Some people got them in the beginning others are trying to catch up now. They have put out solid material since forming and continue to do so. Hell, people beg for their "leftovers" / b-sides at shows. Very comparable to our beloved PJ and equally as important.

dcfaithful

bobasfeet wrote:

The Black Crowes are completely UNDERrated. Some people got them in the beginning others are trying to catch up now. They have put out solid material since forming and continue to do so. Hell, people beg for their "leftovers" / b-sides at shows. Very comparable to our beloved PJ and equally as important.

Another good point.

I think the only thing PJ has over The Crowes is the pleasant nature of the fans at shows. The last two BC shows I've seen there have been a few assholes in the arena. But, I do realize this is not a rarity at concerts in general.

Flagg

bobasfeet wrote:

The Black Crowes are completely UNDERrated. Some people got them in the beginning others are trying to catch up now. They have put out solid material since forming and continue to do so. Hell, people beg for their "leftovers" / b-sides at shows. Very comparable to our beloved PJ and equally as important.

I met two 10 Clubbers in Ausin (can't remember their names). One going to the show and one a doorman/ID checker at the club next door. Both agree the PJ and BC fanbases have a lot in common and are basically the same kind of people. The Crowes fans I hung with were at all three shows this weekend and some were hitting 10, 20 even 30 shows on this tour. We are a lot alike.

Every Crowe fan I talked to mentioned how much they respect PJ when I mentioned them and the 10 Club.

vedhead19

Absolutely love the crowes. Just recieved my vinyl copy of croweology and it might be my favorite crowes album. Have tickets to see them here in Atlanta in november. Pj will always be my favorite but the crowes are a close second. Everyone has different tastes but to say they are underrated is absured, way underrated would be more like it.