the Pledge

mikepegg44

Kind of interesting...sure seems like a lot of common sense in there, but this line stuck with me

"We will require that every bill contain a citation of Constitutional authority. We will give all Representatives and citizens at least three days to read the bill before a vote."

Strange that this needs to be pointed out. shouldn't this always have been the policy? To actually read things before they are voted on...



anyone have any thoughts after having read it?

arthurdent

mikepegg44 wrote:

"We will require that every bill contain a citation of Constitutional authority. We will give all Representatives and citizens at least three days to read the bill before a vote."

Kinda reminds me of "W" and the Patriot Act

:roll:

yahamita

Its a reminder to Obama and his gangsters since they are NOT familiar with our Constitution...

mikepegg44

arthurdent wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

"We will require that every bill contain a citation of Constitutional authority. We will give all Representatives and citizens at least three days to read the bill before a vote."

Kinda reminds me of "W" and the Patriot Act

:roll:

in what way does it remind you of that?

arthurdent

mikepegg44 wrote:

arthurdent wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

"We will require that every bill contain a citation of Constitutional authority. We will give all Representatives and citizens at least three days to read the bill before a vote."

Kinda reminds me of "W" and the Patriot Act

:roll:

in what way does it remind you of that?

it's just another "do as I say not as I do" statement. It's meaningless coming from anything associated with the GOP.

twisted thoughts

mikepegg44 wrote:

arthurdent wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

"We will require that every bill contain a citation of Constitutional authority. We will give all Representatives and citizens at least three days to read the bill before a vote."

Kinda reminds me of "W" and the Patriot Act

:roll:

in what way does it remind you of that?

because it was 4billion pages long and they only had like 2 days to read it
obviously no one actually read it
have you seen some of the stupid shit in there
not even related to terrorism??

Electric_Delta

I'd have thought this was common knowledge since we're in the new age of Obama-style transparency.

_

yahamita wrote:

Its a reminder to Obama and his gangsters since they are NOT familiar with our Constitution...

Yeah... the Constitutional law professor is not at all familiar with the Constitution. :roll:

Electric_Delta

yahamita wrote:

Its a reminder to Obama and his gangsters since they are NOT familiar with our Constitution...

I agree. He has to know what is being shit on before the shitting actually starts.

Jason P

I did a quick read-through of the 21 page draft but these are my initial thoughts.

Pros
• Small business tax deduction equal to 20% of income
• Tax breaks for every bracket
• Roll back government spending by $100M in first year
• Establish budget caps
• End bailouts
• Cut Congress’ budget
• Enact medical liability reform
• Able to purchase health care across state lines

Cons
• More money for defense
• Repeal health care plan (although if they have a plan to replace it, then this will be a pro)
• It doesn’t address term limits in fixing Congress
• It doesn’t address Social Security (20% of Federal Budget)
• It doesn’t address Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP (20% of federal budget)
• They say Iran could have an intercontinental ballistic missile by 2015 to justify funding a missile defense program. I say bullshit. Did you see their golden unmanned drone??? These same guys will have a ballistic missile in four years? I wonder if it will be made out of gold also . . .

My biggest issue is that three largest sources of federal spending (defense, medicare, social security), two of them are not addressed, and the one that is addressed (defense) looks like it will see a significant increase spending.

markin ball

Jason P wrote:

I did a quick read-through of the 21 page draft but these are my initial thoughts.

Pros
• Small business tax deduction equal to 20% of income
• Tax breaks for every bracket
• Roll back government spending by $100M in first year
• Establish budget caps
• End bailouts
• Cut Congress’ budget
• Enact medical liability reform
• Able to purchase health care across state lines

Cons
• More money for defense
• Repeal health care plan (although if they have a plan to replace it, then this will be a pro)
• It doesn’t address term limits in fixing Congress
• It doesn’t address Social Security (20% of Federal Budget)
• It doesn’t address Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP (20% of federal budget)
• They say Iran could have an intercontinental ballistic missile by 2015 to justify funding a missile defense program. I say bullshit. Did you see their golden unmanned drone??? These same guys will have a ballistic missile in four years? I wonder if it will be made out of gold also . . .

My biggest issue is that three largest sources of federal spending (defense, medicare, social security), two of them are not addressed, and the one that is addressed (defense) looks like it will see a significant increase spending.

I didn't read the pledge so forgive me if I am misunderstanding your post but 100 million? That is the funniest thing I've ever heard. That's like saying they're going to take a bucketful of sand from a beach.

Cosmo

mikepegg44 wrote:

Kind of interesting...sure seems like a lot of common sense in there, but this line stuck with me

"We will require that every bill contain a citation of Constitutional authority. We will give all Representatives and citizens at least three days to read the bill before a vote."

Strange that this needs to be pointed out. shouldn't this always have been the policy? To actually read things before they are voted on...



anyone have any thoughts after having read it?

...
I haven't read it yet, because I cannot download it at work...
But, didn't we get a 'Contract With America' in 1994 that was the same thing? And what did we get when we finally got a Republican Controlled government?
Two Wars, the creation of the largest government agency, warrantless Government intrusion, the dismantling of FEMA and an unregulated Wall Street that nearly caused a Depression, whose consequences we are still dealing with.

blackredyellow

Jason P wrote:

I did a quick read-through of the 21 page draft but these are my initial thoughts.

Pros
• Small business tax deduction equal to 20% of income
• Tax breaks for every bracket
• Roll back government spending by $100M in first year
• Establish budget caps
• End bailouts
• Cut Congress’ budget
• Enact medical liability reform
• Able to purchase health care across state lines

Cons
• More money for defense
• Repeal health care plan (although if they have a plan to replace it, then this will be a pro)
• It doesn’t address term limits in fixing Congress
• It doesn’t address Social Security (20% of Federal Budget)
• It doesn’t address Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP (20% of federal budget)
• They say Iran could have an intercontinental ballistic missile by 2015 to justify funding a missile defense program. I say bullshit. Did you see their golden unmanned drone??? These same guys will have a ballistic missile in four years? I wonder if it will be made out of gold also . . .

My biggest issue is that three largest sources of federal spending (defense, medicare, social security), two of them are not addressed, and the one that is addressed (defense) looks like it will see a significant increase spending.

Yeah... $100 million... wow... don't strain yourselves republicans. And defense rising goes up, I wonder if they set that a side differently or if they just really cut other programs to get a net reduction of $100 million. And I like them cutting taxes, but if they are only cutting spending $100 million, it's going to fuck us more than we are now.

"Enact medical liability reform" - that always sounds like a great idea until people start putting out details about the plans.

"Able to purchase health care across state lines" - I still don't get how this will help the cost of insurance at all. No doctors offices will suddenly accept a hundred other plans that are out there. And all it will do is consolidate companies into more ones that are "too big to fail".

whygohome

This is a load of fucking crap. Political Theatre 101. This is absolute crap and the stupid public will fall for it.

They roll up their sleeves, have this event at a hardware store and POOF!!! the republicans are all for the common man.
Where the hell were these assholes during the years 2001-2009?

D.C. makes me sick.

P.S. I am a pacifist, but I want to fight Eric Cantor.

blackredyellow

I just started reading this thing (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Secti ... agenda.pdf), and it just reeks of irony... some of the statements/pledges make it seem like they have the shortest memory in the world... Most of these fucks who are trumpeting this plan were in office when the GOP had control of the government, and they want us to believe that they have any credibility when calling for reducing spending, transparent government, over-reaching government, etc...

whygohome

blackredyellow wrote:

I just started reading this thing (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Secti ... agenda.pdf), and it just reeks of irony... some of the statements/pledges make it seem like they have the shortest memory in the world... Most of these fucks who are trumpeting this plan were in office when the GOP had control of the government, and they want us to believe that they have any credibility when calling for reducing spending, transparent government, over-reaching government, etc...

hit the nail on the head. That is some damn propaganda machine that the Republicans have.

markin ball

The Daily Show did a great thing tonight where they showed Boehner "pledging" today and cut it next to a speech he made years ago and he didn't even bother to change the words around or use different catchphrases. Dems and Repubs have had their chances. Please, please, please can we all stop voting for either of these groups that only care about their own survival and not the propsperity or well being of the citizens?

mikepegg44

I completely agree with all you guys are saying,

I will say, I am all for the 10th amendment becoming the rule by which the federal government is run...considering it is the rule by which federal government should be run.

As far as the contract goes from 94...at least we got a balanced budget and debt reduction under clinton and the republican house...hopefully we can get the same thing here although I doubt it.

Anyone have a gif of John Boehner saying show me the money...cuz all I can think about is Jerry Maguire and his little memo...lot's of great words but very little plan.

unsung

mikepegg44 wrote:

As far as the contract goes from 94...at least we got a balanced budget and debt reduction under clinton and the republican house...hopefully we can get the same thing here although I doubt it.

I doubt it too but only because of the wars and the amount of spending that is going on.


This does make me wonder about something. Would you guys support charging politicians with perjury if they voted for anti-Constitutional laws? They swore an oath to defend the Constitution. I'm thinking this would be a good way to straighten out ALL politicians.

mikepegg44

unsung wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

As far as the contract goes from 94...at least we got a balanced budget and debt reduction under clinton and the republican house...hopefully we can get the same thing here although I doubt it.

I doubt it too but only because of the wars and the amount of spending that is going on.


This does make me wonder about something. Would you guys support charging politicians with perjury if they voted for anti-Constitutional laws? They swore an oath to defend the Constitution. I'm thinking this would be a good way to straighten out ALL politicians.

that is a good idea, it should be a crime to knowingly lie on the campaign trail, but the voting for a law that is ultimately found unconstitutional is rather difficult to prove simply because of interpretation.
They are just trying to jump on the bandwagon and get support. what will ultimately happen is they will take over and send a bunch of bills to obama and he will veto them. Then they can say...see we tried.

Gonzo1977

Oh yes...The Pledge to Destroy America".

Heard it all before...Cause it's basically just another hybrid plagerized versions of Newt's
"Contract on America"

It's like 1994 all over again...only 100 times more stupid and out of touch.
It amazes me what little respect this delusional band of cowboy shysters have for the American People...
This would actually be good comedy if it wasn't so goddamn scary.

Maybe the average American is as stupid as the Repubicans think...How else could anyone get behind:

1) Cutting taxes to the richest 1%
2) Raising taxes on the middle class
3) Repealing Heath Care Reform
4) Privatizing Social Security
5) Doing away with Unemployment insurance
6) Doing away Medicare
7) Limiting the rights of Gays
8) Limiting a Womens Right to Choose
9) Cutting funds to Education
10) Cutting funds to inastructure and "Essential Services"
11) Cuts to research and development for Medical and Science
12) Further ignore the need for Green Energy
13) Increase military spending
14) Increase deep water offshore drilling
15) Increase racial profiling
16) deregulation of Wall Street
17)dergulation of Corporations