i thought you would. was strange you posted that is all.
what does that mean?
it was a propganda piece that you posted. given your posts in the past it seemed to me like you usually see through all that bullshit.
i posted that because it was talking about the airstrikes in retaliation to hamas shooting morters and a rocket. did hamas not expect a reprisal? that author just put that shit in there for background of the issue. in this case he/she happened to be wrong. but i was in a hurry so i was not going to go in there and selectively edit out everything i disagreed with like some people on here might do to make their case, i just posted it as it appeared.
it think it is strange that you just singled out that little piece instead of the main theme of the article as a whole.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i posted that because it was talking about the airstrikes in retaliation to hamas shooting morters and a rocket. did hamas not expect a reprisal? that author just put that shit in there for background of the issue. in this case he/she happened to be wrong. but i was in a hurry so i was not going to go in there and selectively edit out everything i disagreed with like some people on here might do to make their case, i just posted it as it appeared.
it think it is strange that you just singled out that little piece instead of the main theme of the article as a whole.
alright. i can address your point. ignored it for a reason, but sure.
my point was that Israel has trigger happy forces, which i dont' think anyone can deny, given their history, the op, the article i posted, thousands of other examples. these, with almost no accounts of punishment. their soldiers are basically given carte blanche, go kill.
your response was to post a propaganda piece about how Hamas is firing mortars and rockets. are you excusing the IDF then? are you saying since Hamas fired mortars, its ok for Israel to kill innocent people?
i posted that because it was talking about the airstrikes in retaliation to hamas shooting morters and a rocket. did hamas not expect a reprisal? that author just put that shit in there for background of the issue. in this case he/she happened to be wrong. but i was in a hurry so i was not going to go in there and selectively edit out everything i disagreed with like some people on here might do to make their case, i just posted it as it appeared.
it think it is strange that you just singled out that little piece instead of the main theme of the article as a whole.
alright. i can address your point. ignored it for a reason, but sure.
my point was that Israel has trigger happy forces, which i dont' think anyone can deny, given their history, the op, the article i posted, thousands of other examples. these, with almost no accounts of punishment. their soldiers are basically given carte blanche, go kill.
your response was to post a propaganda piece about how Hamas is firing mortars and rockets. are you excusing the IDF then? are you saying since Hamas fired mortars, its ok for Israel to kill innocent people?
maybe you can clarify.
i agree with your point about the carte blanche. my posts on here have said that repeatedly. ad nauseum. i got banned for a few weeks for going overboard in my criticism of the israeli policies. so don't imply that i do not have any idea of what i am talking about.
are you saying that hamas did not fire the rockets? did you read my comment where i mentioned that that was allegedly what happend? if hamas fired those things, including phosphorus tips, they are poking a snake with a stick and are calling the thunder down upon themselves. do they not realize what the outcome and reprisal is going to be? and i am outraged by what the israeli air force did. i am on the same side as you are. yes the article might have been "propaganda" but that is all we get on sites like yahoo.com and that is where i happened to see that. it is never ok for anyone to be killed, but hamas is stepping all over their dick by doing this when they are launching attacks when they know most of the media will portray them as the aggressors. and when that happens, how is the world ever going to see their side?
edit to add, how can hamas ever expect the world to stand up and defend them when the mainstream media in much of the world portrays them as the barriers to peace instead of talking about the land snatching and the blockade and checkpoints and such things. most of us are ignorant because we do not see it everyday on our news.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
i posted that because it was talking about the airstrikes in retaliation to hamas shooting morters and a rocket. did hamas not expect a reprisal? that author just put that shit in there for background of the issue. in this case he/she happened to be wrong. but i was in a hurry so i was not going to go in there and selectively edit out everything i disagreed with like some people on here might do to make their case, i just posted it as it appeared.
it think it is strange that you just singled out that little piece instead of the main theme of the article as a whole.
alright. i can address your point. ignored it for a reason, but sure.
my point was that Israel has trigger happy forces, which i dont' think anyone can deny, given their history, the op, the article i posted, thousands of other examples. these, with almost no accounts of punishment. their soldiers are basically given carte blanche, go kill.
your response was to post a propaganda piece about how Hamas is firing mortars and rockets. are you excusing the IDF then? are you saying since Hamas fired mortars, its ok for Israel to kill innocent people?
maybe you can clarify.
i agree with your point about the carte blanche. my posts on here have said that repeatedly. ad nauseum. i got banned for a few weeks for going overboard in my criticism of the israeli policies. so don't imply that i do not have any idea of what i am talking about.
are you saying that hamas did not fire the rockets? did you read my comment where i mentioned that that was allegedly what happend? if hamas fired those things, including phosphorus tips, they are poking a snake with a stick and are calling the thunder down upon themselves. do they not realize what the outcome and reprisal is going to be? and i am outraged by what the israeli air force did. i am on the same side as you are. yes the article might have been "propaganda" but that is all we get on sites like yahoo.com and that is where i happened to see that. it is never ok for anyone to be killed, but hamas is stepping all over their dick by doing this when they are launching attacks when they know most of the media will portray them as the aggressors. and when that happens, how is the world ever going to see their side?
i never implied you don't know what you are talking about. i've said the opposite.......maybe i should make the point that i'm not attacking you personally. when i responded to your propaganda piece i wasn't having a go at you, was just taking on the article, which we both seem to agree was very one sided.
but it was was your response to my post about Israelis killing innocent people. which i don't think is a valid argument.
yes governments do terrible things, we can both agree on that. what hamas can hope to gain by doing so is beyond me, violence in the current situation is only going to benefit israel, give them the excuse to kill more.
but to blame hamas for israel indescrimanately firing on civilians seem absurd to me.
when a crime is committed find those responsible. in the case of the grandfather and his grandson killed by idf, that list could be very long, reaching up to netan yahoo. in the case of hamas firing rockets, yeah maybe its just that arm of that government that is responsible.
however you look at it, the actions of hamas should not have had any bearing on that family that were killed by those tank shells. they had no part those rockets that were fired.
i never implied you don't know what you are talking about. i've said the opposite.......maybe i should make the point that i'm not attacking you personally. when i responded to your propaganda piece i wasn't having a go at you, was just taking on the article, which we both seem to agree was very one sided.
but it was was your response to my post about Israelis killing innocent people. which i don't think is a valid argument.
yes governments do terrible things, we can both agree on that. what hamas can hope to gain by doing so is beyond me, violence in the current situation is only going to benefit israel, give them the excuse to kill more.
but to blame hamas for israel indescrimanately firing on civilians seem absurd to me.
when a crime is committed find those responsible. in the case of the grandfather and his grandson killed by idf, that list could be very long, reaching up to netan yahoo. in the case of hamas firing rockets, yeah maybe its just that arm of that government that is responsible.
however you look at it, the actions of hamas should not have had any bearing on that family that were killed by those tank shells. they had no part those rockets that were fired.
my bad, i must have misinterpreted your post taking on the article. i have a million things on my mind and i seem to be misinterpreting or misprocessing things a lot lately. i agree it probably was not the best article, but it was the only thing i found readily about the airstrikes. actually it was not much of an objective piece at all, but it can be argued that there is no objective piece on this conflict because whatever is written is written from one perspective or the other....
you are exactly right when you say that violence on the part of hamas only benefits israel. i think the link i was trying to make between hamas and killing innocent people is that in the court of public opinion in the US, hamas, and thus the palestinians by extension since hamas represents the views of some of them, are portrayed as the aggressors. thus it is ok to kill them...which it is not, i am just saying what some people might think based on the "news" we get here...your average american has no idea why there is conflict there. all they ever hear is hamas shoots rockets into israel and israel retaliates. it is as if they see it in the same context as an afghan shoots an rpg at a humvee, and the tank behind the humvee shoots a round or 3 or 4 or 5 and kills the shooter and 15 plus other people...thus, those afghans deserved it...little do they realize the parallels that we and israel both are occupying foreign land and they wonder why hamas and the afghans are pissed...
it is a fucking shame the shitty world we live in...sometimes it is easy to get down and feel sick about it. it is one of those times for me i guess....
and i agree when a crime is committed they should find and punish those that committed it. but that would take police work and witnesses that can not be bought or intimidated that would have to be very courageous. i think that maybe these leaders realize that it might just be easier and more efficient to shoot or drop a bomb and ask questions afterward. which is completely wrong in and of itself. netanyahu being held accountable for anything is like saying bush and cheney are going to go to jail for what they did. unfortunately it ain't gonna happen...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Israeli forces have shot dead a local Hamas military commander in the north of the occupied West Bank.
Iyad Shilbaya, a commander of the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, was killed during a raid to arrest him, the Israeli military said.
Hamas's military wing said it was responsible for the killing at the end of August of four Jewish settlers in the West Bank.
It is not clear whether Shilbaya was a suspect in these killings.
Since the killing of the four Jewish settlers, Palestinian and Israeli security forces have arrested scores of Hamas supporters across the West Bank.
Twelve other Palestinians were arrested in the overnight operation.
Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad criticised the killing of Shilbaya as a "dangerous escalation".
Recent weeks have seen an increase in rocket fire from Gaza into Israel and a series of Israeli air raids on the territory.
Hamas is opposed to the US-sponsored talks, launched in Washington on 2 September, between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, led by Mahmoud Abbas.
Differing accounts of the shooting at the Nur Shams refugee camp in Tulkarm are emerging.
According to Palestinian reports, the brother of the Hamas militant was forced to lead the Israeli soldiers to the house Shilbaya was staying in. The brother is reported to have said that the militant was shot three times while asleep and his body taken away by the soldiers.
West Bank map BBC
An Israeli military spokesperson said Shilbaya was shot "during a routine arrest raid". Soldiers opened fire after Shilbaya came towards them despite being told to halt, the military official said.
Israel has occupied the West Bank since 1967, settling close to 500,000 Jews in more than 100 settlements. There are about 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank.
Hamas commander shot dead by the IDF whilst sleeping in his bed.
I thought extra-judicial assassinations were a serious breach of international law?
i thought the same of using White Phosphorous rounds in civilian areas, piracy, looting the flotilla and selling the stuff as well as using their credit cards, illegal blockade.......and yet....but gee, obama sure does sound tough now and then :roll:
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"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Sorry I haven't read the whole thread, just skimmed.
Are people seriously denying that this action was terrible?
You can't tell me shooting someone in the BACK is self defense.
And anyways, you're obviously all passionate about your opinions (especially if you are from/have connections with Israel) but when you can't admit that your side has most blatantly done something wrong then i think you need to take a deep breath and think about what you're saying...
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it think it is strange that you just singled out that little piece instead of the main theme of the article as a whole.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
alright. i can address your point. ignored it for a reason, but sure.
my point was that Israel has trigger happy forces, which i dont' think anyone can deny, given their history, the op, the article i posted, thousands of other examples. these, with almost no accounts of punishment. their soldiers are basically given carte blanche, go kill.
your response was to post a propaganda piece about how Hamas is firing mortars and rockets. are you excusing the IDF then? are you saying since Hamas fired mortars, its ok for Israel to kill innocent people?
maybe you can clarify.
are you saying that hamas did not fire the rockets? did you read my comment where i mentioned that that was allegedly what happend? if hamas fired those things, including phosphorus tips, they are poking a snake with a stick and are calling the thunder down upon themselves. do they not realize what the outcome and reprisal is going to be? and i am outraged by what the israeli air force did. i am on the same side as you are. yes the article might have been "propaganda" but that is all we get on sites like yahoo.com and that is where i happened to see that. it is never ok for anyone to be killed, but hamas is stepping all over their dick by doing this when they are launching attacks when they know most of the media will portray them as the aggressors. and when that happens, how is the world ever going to see their side?
edit to add, how can hamas ever expect the world to stand up and defend them when the mainstream media in much of the world portrays them as the barriers to peace instead of talking about the land snatching and the blockade and checkpoints and such things. most of us are ignorant because we do not see it everyday on our news.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
i never implied you don't know what you are talking about. i've said the opposite.......maybe i should make the point that i'm not attacking you personally. when i responded to your propaganda piece i wasn't having a go at you, was just taking on the article, which we both seem to agree was very one sided.
but it was was your response to my post about Israelis killing innocent people. which i don't think is a valid argument.
yes governments do terrible things, we can both agree on that. what hamas can hope to gain by doing so is beyond me, violence in the current situation is only going to benefit israel, give them the excuse to kill more.
but to blame hamas for israel indescrimanately firing on civilians seem absurd to me.
when a crime is committed find those responsible. in the case of the grandfather and his grandson killed by idf, that list could be very long, reaching up to netan yahoo. in the case of hamas firing rockets, yeah maybe its just that arm of that government that is responsible.
however you look at it, the actions of hamas should not have had any bearing on that family that were killed by those tank shells. they had no part those rockets that were fired.
you are exactly right when you say that violence on the part of hamas only benefits israel. i think the link i was trying to make between hamas and killing innocent people is that in the court of public opinion in the US, hamas, and thus the palestinians by extension since hamas represents the views of some of them, are portrayed as the aggressors. thus it is ok to kill them...which it is not, i am just saying what some people might think based on the "news" we get here...your average american has no idea why there is conflict there. all they ever hear is hamas shoots rockets into israel and israel retaliates. it is as if they see it in the same context as an afghan shoots an rpg at a humvee, and the tank behind the humvee shoots a round or 3 or 4 or 5 and kills the shooter and 15 plus other people...thus, those afghans deserved it...little do they realize the parallels that we and israel both are occupying foreign land and they wonder why hamas and the afghans are pissed...
it is a fucking shame the shitty world we live in...sometimes it is easy to get down and feel sick about it. it is one of those times for me i guess....
and i agree when a crime is committed they should find and punish those that committed it. but that would take police work and witnesses that can not be bought or intimidated that would have to be very courageous. i think that maybe these leaders realize that it might just be easier and more efficient to shoot or drop a bomb and ask questions afterward. which is completely wrong in and of itself. netanyahu being held accountable for anything is like saying bush and cheney are going to go to jail for what they did. unfortunately it ain't gonna happen...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I thought extra-judicial assassinations were a serious breach of international law?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11340558
17 September 2010
Israeli forces kill West Bank Hamas commander
Israeli forces have shot dead a local Hamas military commander in the north of the occupied West Bank.
Iyad Shilbaya, a commander of the Ezzedine al-Qassam Brigades, was killed during a raid to arrest him, the Israeli military said.
Hamas's military wing said it was responsible for the killing at the end of August of four Jewish settlers in the West Bank.
It is not clear whether Shilbaya was a suspect in these killings.
Since the killing of the four Jewish settlers, Palestinian and Israeli security forces have arrested scores of Hamas supporters across the West Bank.
Twelve other Palestinians were arrested in the overnight operation.
Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad criticised the killing of Shilbaya as a "dangerous escalation".
Recent weeks have seen an increase in rocket fire from Gaza into Israel and a series of Israeli air raids on the territory.
Hamas is opposed to the US-sponsored talks, launched in Washington on 2 September, between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, led by Mahmoud Abbas.
Differing accounts of the shooting at the Nur Shams refugee camp in Tulkarm are emerging.
According to Palestinian reports, the brother of the Hamas militant was forced to lead the Israeli soldiers to the house Shilbaya was staying in. The brother is reported to have said that the militant was shot three times while asleep and his body taken away by the soldiers.
West Bank map BBC
An Israeli military spokesperson said Shilbaya was shot "during a routine arrest raid". Soldiers opened fire after Shilbaya came towards them despite being told to halt, the military official said.
Israel has occupied the West Bank since 1967, settling close to 500,000 Jews in more than 100 settlements. There are about 2.5 million Palestinians living in the West Bank.
i thought the same of using White Phosphorous rounds in civilian areas, piracy, looting the flotilla and selling the stuff as well as using their credit cards, illegal blockade.......and yet....but gee, obama sure does sound tough now and then :roll:
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i'm sure Tom Hurndalls family and Rachel Corries family will find that comforting.
everyone lies for political gain.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The picture attached to the story shows a bed sheet covered in blood.
Then again, the Israeli's have never lied about anything before have they, so why should they start now?
Oh! Wait a minute...
Are people seriously denying that this action was terrible?
You can't tell me shooting someone in the BACK is self defense.
And anyways, you're obviously all passionate about your opinions (especially if you are from/have connections with Israel) but when you can't admit that your side has most blatantly done something wrong then i think you need to take a deep breath and think about what you're saying...
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