handcuffed palestinian youth shot in back and killed

Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
edited September 2010 in A Moving Train
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Regrettable accident #1001: Another Palestinian shot in the back (this one was handcuffed)

Israeli media sources have confirmed that an Israeli soldier shot and killed a handcuffed Palestinian youth on Tuesday morning (14.09.2010) in the city of Tel Aviv.

Israel's Channel Two television station confirmed that police forces detained four Palestinian youths in Tel Aviv during the early hours of Tuesday morning under suspicion of involvement in stealing an Israeli vehicle. One of the youths was killed and another managed to escape while the remaining two were detained by the authorities of the Israeli occupation. According to the television station, "during the arrest, the sound of gun fire was heard then one of the handcuffed detainees fell after being shot in the upper part of his body. He died shortly afterwards."

According to Channel Two, the Israeli police officer who opened fired on the youth has claimed that the bullet "was shot accidentally from his weapon" and hit the 18 year old Palestinian youth in his back killing him on impact.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    i cant even comment on this incident.
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2010
    This article is so anti-semitic! Clearly the police officer felt threatened by a Palestinian in handcuffs running away from him so he inadvertantly pulled the trigger and shot him. Afterall, haven't Palestinians been known to run away only to live another day on land that was granted to Israel by God himself?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This is article is so anti-semitic! Clearly the police officer felt threatened by a Palestinian in handcuffs running away from him so he inadvertantly pulled the trigger and shot him. Afterall, haven't Palestinians been known to run away only to live another day on land that was granted to Israel by God himself?

    steve... stop it. you are an antagonistic bastard sometimes. :roll: :lol:
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This is article is so anti-semitic! Clearly the police officer felt threatened by a Palestinian in handcuffs running away from him so he inadvertantly pulled the trigger and shot him. Afterall, haven't Palestinians been known to run away only to live another day on land that was granted to Israel by God himself?

    steve... stop it. you are an antagonistic bastard sometimes. :roll: :lol:

    I blame the Palestinian. I mean, he should have simply rejected violence and recognized the police officer.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This is article is so anti-semitic! Clearly the police officer felt threatened by a Palestinian in handcuffs running away from him so he inadvertantly pulled the trigger and shot him. Afterall, haven't Palestinians been known to run away only to live another day on land that was granted to Israel by God himself?

    steve... stop it. you are an antagonistic bastard sometimes. :roll: :lol:

    I blame the Palestinian. I mean, he should have simply rejected violence and recognized the police officer.

    *shaking my head*
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    This is article is so anti-semitic! Clearly the police officer felt threatened by a Palestinian in handcuffs running away from him so he inadvertantly pulled the trigger and shot him. Afterall, haven't Palestinians been known to run away only to live another day on land that was granted to Israel by God himself?

    steve... stop it. you are an antagonistic bastard sometimes. :roll: :lol:

    I blame the Palestinian. I mean, he should have simply rejected violence and recognized the police officer.

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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    you must drive your lovers insane.

    You may find this hard to believe, but I'm not the easiest person to get on with :P
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    You don't say.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    yosi wrote:
    You don't say.


    :lol::lol::lol:
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    Byrnzie wrote:
    you must drive your lovers insane.

    You may find this hard to believe, but I'm not the easiest person to get on with :P

    You're a pussycat! :mrgreen:

    But back to this thread.... yet another 'accident'. :roll: What more can one add... the list gets longer.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Byrnzie wrote:
    you must drive your lovers insane.

    You may find this hard to believe, but I'm not the easiest person to get on with :P

    based on evidence.... no. but considering my skills at humouring people and my penchance for drinking it wouldnt be a problem for me. 8-)
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    #1001? So someone is keeping a specific list? Good, so what is accident #652? Specifically accident #652... as opposed to accident #651 or #653. I mean, this is accident #1001, so there's some database backing up that specific number, right?

    Obviously, if the kid was handcuffed and sitting, then this is messed up that he was shot, and I really hope it was an accident. ...though stealing a vehicle (military vehicle?) in Israel is probably not the safest activity to engage in.
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  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    CJMST3K wrote:
    .though stealing a vehicle (military vehicle?) in Israel is probably not the safest activity to engage in.
    Reports don't seem to suggest it was a military vehicle. Maybe just a car belonging to an Israeli parked on the road. It would seem the youths were seen by the patrolling officers when they were attempting to break in. A bit of conflicting reports as well...
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    CJMST3K wrote:
    #1001? So someone is keeping a specific list? Good, so what is accident #652? Specifically accident #652... as opposed to accident #651 or #653. I mean, this is accident #1001, so there's some database backing up that specific number, right?

    That part of the article is an example of something called sarcasm. Glad we've cleared that up. Next.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    glad that attempted grand theft auto is not punishable by death here in the states...the police where i live would be capping people left and right down near busch stadium...

    yet another tragedy at the hands of israeli police....
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Byrnzie wrote:

    That part of the article is an example of something called sarcasm. Glad we've cleared that up. Next.


    Precisely my point. Which is why I don't consider this a "news report", but a biased post. If there were a link to a known news affiliate (which posts facts as opposed to biased sarcasm) I might consider that to be more credible on this circumstance.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    That part of the article is an example of something called sarcasm. Glad we've cleared that up. Next.


    Precisely my point. Which is why I don't consider this a "news report", but a biased post. If there were a link to a known news affiliate (which posts facts as opposed to biased sarcasm) I might consider that to be more credible on this circumstance.

    the #1001 was an add on by pepe ... if you click the link - it will reference a news posting from a media source ... you can dispute that source if you like - but it's not just a blog post ...
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    polaris_x wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    That part of the article is an example of something called sarcasm. Glad we've cleared that up. Next.


    Precisely my point. Which is why I don't consider this a "news report", but a biased post. If there were a link to a known news affiliate (which posts facts as opposed to biased sarcasm) I might consider that to be more credible on this circumstance.

    the #1001 was an add on by pepe ... if you click the link - it will reference a news posting from a media source ... you can dispute that source if you like - but it's not just a blog post ...

    Nope. It clearly wasn't added by Pepe. It's from the source of the article.

    I see "Regrettable accident #1001" in both the article (link below from the OP) as well as in the blue-bar header at the top of the window.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/09/regrettab ... uffed.html

    Unless you're saying Pepe wrote the article in the link.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Nope. It clearly wasn't added by Pepe. It's from the source of the article.

    I see "Regrettable accident #1001" in both the article (link below from the OP) as well as in the blue-bar header at the top of the window.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2010/09/regrettab ... uffed.html

    Unless you're saying Pepe wrote the article in the link.

    my bad ... i didn't see the blog title ... in the middle eastern monitor link - that isn't there ...
  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    and now Israel is launching shells into Gaza.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11301624


    3 civilians killed, no action taken against soldiers.




    they build a trigger happy racist army, tell them there are no consequences for their actions, and set them loose on one of the most populated places on the planet.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Commy wrote:
    and now Israel is launching shells into Gaza.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11301624


    3 civilians killed, no action taken against soldiers.




    they build a trigger happy racist army, tell them there are no consequences for their actions, and set them loose on one of the most populated places on the planet.
    did you see this from today? hamas provoked this one by firing morters and a rocket.....allegedly....

    Amid peace talks, Gaza shells and Israel air raids
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100915/ap_ ... east_talks

    JERUSALEM – Militants launched mortar shells into Israel and Israeli jets bombed targets in Gaza on Wednesday, just as Israeli and Palestinian leaders held peace talks in Jerusalem with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    Gaza militants opposed to peace with Israel have threatened to derail the fledgling negotiations, and the Israeli military said eight mortars and one rocket hit Israel by mid-afternoon on the day of the talks — the highest daily total since March 2009. There were no injuries.

    Police said two of the mortar shells had phosphorous warheads, which can set fires or severely burn people.

    Israeli warplanes responded by bombing a smuggling tunnel along the Gaza-Egypt border, the military said. Hamas officials said one person was killed and four wounded.

    In Jerusalem, little more than an hour's drive from Gaza, Clinton said Israeli and Palestinian leaders were "getting down to business" on the major issues dividing them, though there was no sign they were any closer to resolving a looming crisis over Israeli West Bank settlements.

    The American secretary of state was in Jerusalem for a second day of talks aimed in part at ending the impasse, a day after meeting Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at a summit hosted by Egypt.

    "They are getting down to business and they have begun to grapple with the core issues that can only be resolved through face-to-face negotiations," Clinton told reporters. "I believe they are serious about reaching an agreement that results in two states living side by side in peace and security."

    Before meeting at his Jerusalem residence with Abbas, Netanyahu was unable to point to progress. "We are working on it," he said in a brief remark to reporters. "It's a lot of work."

    Abbas has threatened to walk out of the talks if Israel resumes construction in the settlements after a 10-month slowdown expires at the end of the month. Clinton and President Barack Obama have called on Netanyahu to extend the slowdown.

    Netanyahu has signaled he is looking for a compromise. Earlier this week, he said the current curbs won't remain in place after the end of this month, though he will continue to restrict building activity to some extent.

    The Palestinians oppose the settlements because they eat up land they want for their future state. Some 300,000 Israelis live scattered among the West Bank's 2.5 million Palestinians. An additional 200,000 Israelis live in east Jerusalem, the section of the holy city the Palestinians claim as their capital.

    President Barack Obama has made his pursuit of a Mideast settlement a centerpiece of his foreign policy. After months of U.S. shuttle diplomacy, he summoned the Israeli and Palestinian leaders to Washington early this month to formally launch the first direct negotiations since talks collapsed in 2008 following Israel's military offensive in Gaza. Obama hopes to forge a deal within a year.

    Negotiators will have to tackle a series of issues that have undermined talks in the past: the location of the border between Israel and a future Palestinian state, the fate of Palestinian refugees and the competing claims to the holy city of Jerusalem.

    But they will have a hard time addressing those disputes if they cannot resolve the disagreement on the settlement slowdown.

    Under intense international pressure, Netanyahu declared curbs on West Bank settlement construction last November, seeking to draw the Palestinians back to the negotiating table. At the time the Palestinians dismissed the move as insignificant, an irony Clinton pointed out ahead of Tuesday's talks in Egypt.

    "Now we're told that negotiations cannot continue unless something that was viewed as being inadequate continues," she said.

    The slowdown is set to expire on Sept. 26, and Netanyahu is being pressed by many of his religious and nationalist allies in Israel's coalition government to resume construction. Members of his own Likud Party have taken out ads in Israeli dailies in recent days demanding an end to the slowdown.

    Both Netanyahu and Abbas share a common enemy: Hamas. The Islamic group took over Gaza in 2007 after ousting Abbas' forces, and it has threatened to unleash new violence as the peace talks move forward.

    Following Wednesday's airstrike, Hamas said its security forces had evacuated their installations in preparation for further Israeli retaliation.

    A senior Israeli military officer forecast further violence in the coming days.

    The officer, speaking on condition of anonymity under military guidelines, said Hamas has become increasingly involved in the violence, turning a blind eye to the attacks and occasionally giving its permission to "proxies" to carry out violence.

    Hamas has largely refrained from directly carrying out attacks since a devastating Israeli offensive early last year, and has at times even reined in other armed groups from attacking. But with the resumption of peace talks, the militant group has threatened to change its policy.

    Early this week, the head of Israel's Shin Bet security agency warned that Hamas would try to torpedo the new talks, and when negotiations were officially launched early this month, Hamas militants killed four Israelis in the West Bank.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Commy wrote:
    and now Israel is launching shells into Gaza.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11301624


    3 civilians killed, no action taken against soldiers.




    they build a trigger happy racist army, tell them there are no consequences for their actions, and set them loose on one of the most populated places on the planet.

    did you see this from today? hamas provoked this one by firing morters and a rocket.....allegedly....


    Silly Gimme... there's only one side to every story.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Commy wrote:
    and now Israel is launching shells into Gaza.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11301624


    3 civilians killed, no action taken against soldiers.




    they build a trigger happy racist army, tell them there are no consequences for their actions, and set them loose on one of the most populated places on the planet.

    did you see this from today? hamas provoked this one by firing morters and a rocket.....allegedly....


    Silly Gimme... there's only one side to every story.
    silly me? i am just going by what the fucking article said. am i not supposed to read something and have a critical thought about what is written????

    it said that 2 of the morters has phosphorus tips, same as what israel used against the palestinians. which leads me to ask, where did hamas get those? did israel or the US sell them to them? because israel and the US are the only ones that routinely use these types of arms... or are these some of the missing weapons from iraq? that is why i say allegedly because hamas is not known to use these weapons....
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Subject: handcuffed palestinian youth shot in back and killed
    CJMST3K wrote:

    did you see this from today? hamas provoked this one by firing morters and a rocket.....allegedly....


    Silly Gimme... there's only one side to every story.
    silly me? i am just going by what the fucking article said. am i not supposed to read something and have a critical thought about what is written????

    it said that 2 of the morters has phosphorus tips, same as what israel used against the palestinians. which leads me to ask, where did hamas get those? did israel or the US sell them to them? because israel and the US are the only ones that routinely use these types of arms... or are these some of the missing weapons from iraq? that is why i say allegedly because hamas is not known to use these weapons....


    My fault - I meant to put the winky ;) emoticon next to "silly gimme". Like "silly rabbit, Trix are for kids".

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    The other part about "there's only one side to every story" was being humorous that often people only talk about one-side or the other side. There's obviously two sides. ...cool? :D
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    ^^^^

    no worries, i misinterpreted your post. :oops:
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    The Palestinians oppose the settlements because they eat up land they want for their future state. Some 300,000 Israelis live scattered among the West Bank's 2.5 million Palestinians. An additional 200,000 Israelis live in east Jerusalem, the section of the holy city the Palestinians claim as their capital.


    typical american propaganda.


    the land on which the settlements are being built is land that belongs to Palestinians, not land they "want", as the article suggest. the settlements are being built on Palestinian land, that should be made very clear, something the article fails to do. the article is twisting it to seem like it is all in question.


    and they don't "claim" East Jerusalem as their capital, (the wording suggest only they believe this), it IS their capital, everybody recognizes this, outside of the US elite and Israel.
  • CJMST3K wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:

    That part of the article is an example of something called sarcasm. Glad we've cleared that up. Next.


    Precisely my point. Which is why I don't consider this a "news report", but a biased post. If there were a link to a known news affiliate (which posts facts as opposed to biased sarcasm) I might consider that to be more credible on this circumstance.
    just want to clear something up. there is another site that uses reference numbers when reporting incidents of Israeli crimes committed in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

    the PCHR website (Palestinian Centre for Human Rights), uses reference numbers when reporting these crimes. i can assure you that they don't do it for sarcasm. they do it because there are that damn many of these incidents that they are numbered as a reference.

    for an example, referring to Commys link from the BBC news, where the old man and his grandson were murdered, the PCHR have this listed as 80/2010.

    http://www.pchrgaza.org/portal/en/index ... Itemid=194

    the other thing that sickens me, is that when the 4 settlers were murdered recently, the whole world knew about it and it was loudly condemned (and rightly so). Hillary Clinton had plenty to say and people around here did too.

    any reason why this is not front page news in the US and Clinton is not condemning this?

    disgusting. the double standards are enough to make you throw up. a Jewish life is no more special or worthy of outrage after a murder than anyone elses. every life is precious. Palestinians are human beings just like everyone else. start treating them like it.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Commy wrote:
    The Palestinians oppose the settlements because they eat up land they want for their future state. Some 300,000 Israelis live scattered among the West Bank's 2.5 million Palestinians. An additional 200,000 Israelis live in east Jerusalem, the section of the holy city the Palestinians claim as their capital.


    typical american propaganda.


    the land on which the settlements are being built is land that belongs to Palestinians, not land they "want", as the article suggest. the settlements are being built on Palestinian land, that should be made very clear, something the article fails to do. the article is twisting it to seem like it is all in question.


    and they don't "claim" East Jerusalem as their capital, (the wording suggest only they believe this), it IS their capital, everybody recognizes this, outside of the US elite and Israel.
    i know this. don't blame me. blame the author of the article.
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  • CommyCommy Posts: 4,984
    Commy wrote:
    The Palestinians oppose the settlements because they eat up land they want for their future state. Some 300,000 Israelis live scattered among the West Bank's 2.5 million Palestinians. An additional 200,000 Israelis live in east Jerusalem, the section of the holy city the Palestinians claim as their capital.


    typical american propaganda.


    the land on which the settlements are being built is land that belongs to Palestinians, not land they "want", as the article suggest. the settlements are being built on Palestinian land, that should be made very clear, something the article fails to do. the article is twisting it to seem like it is all in question.


    and they don't "claim" East Jerusalem as their capital, (the wording suggest only they believe this), it IS their capital, everybody recognizes this, outside of the US elite and Israel.
    i know this. don't blame me. blame the author of the article.



    i thought you would. was strange you posted that is all.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Commy wrote:

    i thought you would. was strange you posted that is all.
    what does that mean?
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