Fire at proposed Tenn. mosque site...coincidence??

Commy

chime wrote:

Commy wrote:

chime wrote:

The 'Ground Zero Mosque' is now making the news here in the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ero-mosque

tell them its not a mosque and it isn't at ground zero. all religions are welcome to preach there

Did you read the article? What you've written is basically what the article says.

my work here is done

acoustic guy

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

is this coincidental????


Fire at proposed Tenn. mosque site probed by feds

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100830/ap_ ... _site_fire

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. – Supporters from across the country have called to give encouragement to a suburban Nashville mosque where a fire was the latest setback for a planned new building, officials said Sunday.

Authorities told mosque officials that four pieces of heavy construction equipment on the site were doused with an accelerant and one set ablaze, said Camie Ayash, spokeswoman for the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. Federal investigators have not ruled it arson, saying only that the fire was being probed and asked the public to call in tips. Earlier, Ayash said that gasoline was poured on the equipment but later backed off that statement.

"No threats, not at all," since the fire, Ayash told The Associated Press. "We've had a tremendous amount of calls of support."

American Muslim leaders say the furor over the building of a mosque near ground zero has emboldened opposition groups to resist new mosques elsewhere.

Some say they oppose them because of infrastructure and traffic problems. Others have implied that the mosque would be a haven for terrorists.

The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro's planned expansion has drawn increasingly vehement opposition from the community in recent weeks. The proposed center on 15 acres would serve some 250 families.

Digging had begun at the site where a sign that marks it as the future Islamic Center of Murfreesboro has been vandalized twice in the past several months. But Ayash said the fire "makes everybody really on edge."

Ayash said Islamic Center officials were contacted by the sheriff's department around 4 a.m. Saturday. Someone walking by called in the fire to 911 about 1:30 a.m.

Rutherford County resident Kevin Fisher has led protests against the mosque he says because of zoning issues, parking, traffic and a lack of transparency in the county's planning approval process. He issued a statement Saturday to the Daily News Journal of Murfreesboro.

"We in this community believe strongly in the rule of law, and choose to settle our disagreements through peaceful deliberations and discussion, not vigilantism. ... We who stand in opposition to this mosque have made our concerns known through proper legal channels and have conducted ourselves with dignity, respect and out of a spirit of love for our community, and we will continue to do so."

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

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Why do you think they want to 'live seperately'? Having a place to worship is living seperately? Did you know, you can walk into a Mosque... even if you are not Muslim? Of course, you have to pay the respects of that religion, such as removal of your shoes, (just as you should pay equal respects to houses of other religions)... but, no one will restrict your entrance.

acoustic guy

Cosmo wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

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Why do you think they want to 'live seperately'? Having a place to worship is living seperately? Did you know, you can walk into a Mosque... even if you are not Muslim? Of course, you have to pay the respects of that religion, such as removal of your shoes, (just as you should pay equal respects to houses of other religions)... but, no one will restrict your entrance.

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

_

acoustic guy wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

...
Why do you think they want to 'live seperately'? Having a place to worship is living seperately? Did you know, you can walk into a Mosque... even if you are not Muslim? Of course, you have to pay the respects of that religion, such as removal of your shoes, (just as you should pay equal respects to houses of other religions)... but, no one will restrict your entrance.

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

How is it any of your business anyway?

haffajappa

chime wrote:

The 'Ground Zero Mosque' is now making the news here in the UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ero-mosque

Perhaps spatial reality functions differently on the other side of the Atlantic, but here in London, something that is "two minutes' walk and round a corner" from something else isn't actually "in" the same place at all. I once had a poo in a pub about two minutes' walk from Buckingham Palace. I was not subsequently arrested and charged with crapping directly onto the Queen's pillow. That's how "distance" works in Britain. It's also how distance works in America, of course, but some people are currently pretending it doesn't, for daft political ends.

New York being a densely populated city, there are lots of other buildings and businesses within two blocks of Ground Zero, including a McDonald's and a Burger King, neither of which has yet been accused of serving milkshakes and fries on hallowed ground. Regardless, for the opponents of Cordoba House, two blocks is too close, period. Frustratingly, they haven't produced a map pinpointing precisely how close is OK.

its really funny how the rest of the world see's it this way too...

Cosmo

acoustic guy wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

...
Why do you think they want to 'live seperately'? Having a place to worship is living seperately? Did you know, you can walk into a Mosque... even if you are not Muslim? Of course, you have to pay the respects of that religion, such as removal of your shoes, (just as you should pay equal respects to houses of other religions)... but, no one will restrict your entrance.

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

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I understand... yeah, it's the 'Daily Show'... but, they do bring some facts into light...
15 Acres of the 30 year old Islamic Center that will service 250 families in the area.
Now... let me ask you... do you live on the site of your Christian Community Center with all of the Christian families in the area?
I'm guessing, No. People don't 'live' in a community center... they play basketball, baseball there... play on the swings and have family outings on the grass... hold services and make paper dolls. You have to be one step below moron to believe that all 250 families will be living on the 15 acre community center grounds.
Here is the Daily Show report... funny because it's sad... sad because it's true.
http://blogs.tennessean.com/blog/2010/t ... ro-mosque/
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ADD: Here... this is a non-Daily Show (less entertaining) article on the Islamic Center in Tennessee:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20100821/u ... 9201184700

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

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Why do you think they want to 'live seperately'? Having a place to worship is living seperately? Did you know, you can walk into a Mosque... even if you are not Muslim? Of course, you have to pay the respects of that religion, such as removal of your shoes, (just as you should pay equal respects to houses of other religions)... but, no one will restrict your entrance.

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

How is it any of your business anyway?

No kidding. As long as they don't take up arms or start marrying off 14 year olds to the religious leaders and other men, I don't see a problem.

_

acoustic guy wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

...
Why do you think they want to 'live seperately'? Having a place to worship is living seperately? Did you know, you can walk into a Mosque... even if you are not Muslim? Of course, you have to pay the respects of that religion, such as removal of your shoes, (just as you should pay equal respects to houses of other religions)... but, no one will restrict your entrance.

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

Wait - I just re-read this. How can they be separated from Americans when they ARE Americans???

Cosmo

scb wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

Wait - I just re-read this. How can they be separated from Americans (even though they don't) when they ARE Americans???

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I think... he is implying that all 250 families are going to live on the 15 acre plot... like some sort of Al Qaeda Terrorist co-op. It would be the same as us believing that 250 Christian families would want to all live in a Young Man's Christian Association facility in order to blow up abortion clinics and make 'God Hates Fags' signs to display at funerals of dead soldiers.
Of course, both beliefs are completelty unfounded and only the dim witted amongst us would ever believe such nonsense, right?

_

Cosmo wrote:

scb wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

Wait - I just re-read this. How can they be separated from Americans (even though they don't) when they ARE Americans???

...
I think... he is implying that all 250 families are going to live on the 15 acre plot... like some sort of Al Qaeda Terrorist co-op. It would be the same as us believing that 250 Christian families would want to all live in a Young Man's Christian Association facility in order to blow up abortion clinics and make 'God Hates Fags' signs to display at funerals of dead soldiers.
Of course, both beliefs are completelty unfounded and only the dim witted amongst us would ever believe such nonsense, right?

Yes, I agree that this seems to be the belief even though it's unfounded. I'm just saying, even if this were true and they all lived separate from the rest of the community, they still wouldn't be separated from Americans because they ARE Americans. Why do so many people seem to think that being Muslim means you're not American, or that it's un-American to be Muslim, or that Islam is not an American religion just like all other religions are?

catefrances

acoustic guy wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

is this coincidental????


Fire at proposed Tenn. mosque site probed by feds

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100830/ap_ ... _site_fire

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. – Supporters from across the country have called to give encouragement to a suburban Nashville mosque where a fire was the latest setback for a planned new building, officials said Sunday.

Authorities told mosque officials that four pieces of heavy construction equipment on the site were doused with an accelerant and one set ablaze, said Camie Ayash, spokeswoman for the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. Federal investigators have not ruled it arson, saying only that the fire was being probed and asked the public to call in tips. Earlier, Ayash said that gasoline was poured on the equipment but later backed off that statement.

"No threats, not at all," since the fire, Ayash told The Associated Press. "We've had a tremendous amount of calls of support."

American Muslim leaders say the furor over the building of a mosque near ground zero has emboldened opposition groups to resist new mosques elsewhere.

Some say they oppose them because of infrastructure and traffic problems. Others have implied that the mosque would be a haven for terrorists.

The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro's planned expansion has drawn increasingly vehement opposition from the community in recent weeks. The proposed center on 15 acres would serve some 250 families.

Digging had begun at the site where a sign that marks it as the future Islamic Center of Murfreesboro has been vandalized twice in the past several months. But Ayash said the fire "makes everybody really on edge."

Ayash said Islamic Center officials were contacted by the sheriff's department around 4 a.m. Saturday. Someone walking by called in the fire to 911 about 1:30 a.m.

Rutherford County resident Kevin Fisher has led protests against the mosque he says because of zoning issues, parking, traffic and a lack of transparency in the county's planning approval process. He issued a statement Saturday to the Daily News Journal of Murfreesboro.

"We in this community believe strongly in the rule of law, and choose to settle our disagreements through peaceful deliberations and discussion, not vigilantism. ... We who stand in opposition to this mosque have made our concerns known through proper legal channels and have conducted ourselves with dignity, respect and out of a spirit of love for our community, and we will continue to do so."

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

you mean like how the amish separate themselves from modern america???

Gary Carter

catefrances wrote:

you mean like how the amish separate themselves from modern america???

amish people are good bowlers
:P

the amish probably are more happier then modern america

wolfamongwolves

scb wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

15 acres for 250 families.........seems they wanna be seperated from Americans while living IN America. Right?

I think... he is implying that all 250 families are going to live on the 15 acre plot... like some sort of Al Qaeda Terrorist co-op. It would be the same as us believing that 250 Christian families would want to all live in a Young Man's Christian Association facility in order to blow up abortion clinics and make 'God Hates Fags' signs to display at funerals of dead soldiers.
Of course, both beliefs are completelty unfounded and only the dim witted amongst us would ever believe such nonsense, right?

Yes, I agree that this seems to be the belief even though it's unfounded. I'm just saying, even if this were true and they all lived separate from the rest of the community, they still wouldn't be separated from Americans because they ARE Americans. Why do so many people seem to think that being Muslim means you're not American, or that it's un-American to be Muslim, or that Islam is not an American religion just like all other religions are?

Man Already Knows Everything He Needs To Know About MuslimsAugust 30, 2010 | ISSUE 46•35

SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.

Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.

"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"

"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."

"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.

When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."

Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.

"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."

"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."

Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.

"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."

Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-al ... bou,17990/

Smellyman

wolfamongwolves wrote:

scb wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I think... he is implying that all 250 families are going to live on the 15 acre plot... like some sort of Al Qaeda Terrorist co-op. It would be the same as us believing that 250 Christian families would want to all live in a Young Man's Christian Association facility in order to blow up abortion clinics and make 'God Hates Fags' signs to display at funerals of dead soldiers.
Of course, both beliefs are completelty unfounded and only the dim witted amongst us would ever believe such nonsense, right?

Yes, I agree that this seems to be the belief even though it's unfounded. I'm just saying, even if this were true and they all lived separate from the rest of the community, they still wouldn't be separated from Americans because they ARE Americans. Why do so many people seem to think that being Muslim means you're not American, or that it's un-American to be Muslim, or that Islam is not an American religion just like all other religions are?

Man Already Knows Everything He Needs To Know About MuslimsAugust 30, 2010 | ISSUE 46•35

SALINA, KS—Local man Scott Gentries told reporters Wednesday that his deliberately limited grasp of Islamic history and culture was still more than sufficient to shape his views of the entire Muslim world.

Gentries, 48, said he had absolutely no interest in exposing himself to further knowledge of Islamic civilization or putting his sweeping opinions into a broader context of any kind, and confirmed he was "perfectly happy" to make a handful of emotionally charged words the basis of his mistrust toward all members of the world's second-largest religion.

"I learned all that really matters about the Muslim faith on 9/11," Gentries said in reference to the terrorist attacks on the United States undertaken by 19 of Islam's approximately 1.6 billion practitioners. "What more do I need to know to stigmatize Muslims everywhere as inherently violent radicals?"

"And now they want to build a mosque at Ground Zero," continued Gentries, eliminating any distinction between the 9/11 hijackers and Muslims in general. "No, I won't examine the accuracy of that statement, but yes, I will allow myself to be outraged by it and use it as evidence of these people's universal callousness toward Americans who lost loved ones when the Twin Towers fell."

"Even though I am not one of those people," he added.

When told that the proposed "Ground Zero mosque" is actually a community center two blocks north of the site that would include, in addition to a public prayer space, a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant, and athletic facilities, Gentries shook his head and said, "I know all I'm going to let myself know."

Gentries explained that it "didn't take long" to find out as much about the tenets of Islam as he needed to. He said he knew Muslims stoned their women for committing adultery, trained for terrorist attacks at fundamentalist madrassas, and believed in jihad, which Gentries described as the thing they used to justify killing infidels.

"All Muslims are at war with America, and I will resist any attempt to challenge that assertion with potentially illuminating facts," said Gentries, who threatened to leave the room if presented with the number of Muslims who live peacefully in the United States, serve in the country's armed forces, or were victims themselves of the 9/11 attacks. "Period."

"If you don't believe me, wait until they put your wife in a burka," Gentries continued in reference to the face-and-body-covering worn by a small minority of Muslim women and banned in the universities of Turkey, Tunisia, and Syria. "Or worse, a rape camp. That's right: For reasons I am content being totally unable to articulate, I am choosing to associate Muslims with rape camps."

Over the past decade, Gentries said he has taken pains to avoid personal interactions or media that might have the potential to compromise his point of view. He told reporters that the closest he had come to confronting a contrary standpoint was tuning in to the first few seconds of an interview with a moderate Muslim cleric before hastily turning off the television.

"I almost gave in and listened to that guy defend Islam with words I didn't want to hear," Gentries said. "But then I remembered how much easier it is to live in a world of black-and-white in which I can assign the label of 'other' to someone and use him as a vessel for all my fears and insecurities."

Added Gentries, "That really put things back into perspective."

http://www.theonion.com/articles/man-al ... bou,17990/

Can it be satire when those exact quotes pretty much came from the Glenn Beck religious recital video? sad.

mickeyrat

catefrances wrote:

acoustic guy wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

is this coincidental????


Fire at proposed Tenn. mosque site probed by feds

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100830/ap_ ... _site_fire

MURFREESBORO, Tenn. – Supporters from across the country have called to give encouragement to a suburban Nashville mosque where a fire was the latest setback for a planned new building, officials said Sunday.

Authorities told mosque officials that four pieces of heavy construction equipment on the site were doused with an accelerant and one set ablaze, said Camie Ayash, spokeswoman for the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro. Federal investigators have not ruled it arson, saying only that the fire was being probed and asked the public to call in tips. Earlier, Ayash said that gasoline was poured on the equipment but later backed off that statement.

"No threats, not at all," since the fire, Ayash told The Associated Press. "We've had a tremendous amount of calls of support."

American Muslim leaders say the furor over the building of a mosque near ground zero has emboldened opposition groups to resist new mosques elsewhere.

Some say they oppose them because of infrastructure and traffic problems. Others have implied that the mosque would be a haven for terrorists.

The Islamic Center of Murfreesboro's planned expansion has drawn increasingly vehement opposition from the community in recent weeks. The proposed center on 15 acres would serve some 250 families.

Digging had begun at the site where a sign that marks it as the future Islamic Center of Murfreesboro has been vandalized twice in the past several months. But Ayash said the fire "makes everybody really on edge."

Ayash said Islamic Center officials were contacted by the sheriff's department around 4 a.m. Saturday. Someone walking by called in the fire to 911 about 1:30 a.m.

Rutherford County resident Kevin Fisher has led protests against the mosque he says because of zoning issues, parking, traffic and a lack of transparency in the county's planning approval process. He issued a statement Saturday to the Daily News Journal of Murfreesboro.

"We in this community believe strongly in the rule of law, and choose to settle our disagreements through peaceful deliberations and discussion, not vigilantism. ... We who stand in opposition to this mosque have made our concerns known through proper legal channels and have conducted ourselves with dignity, respect and out of a spirit of love for our community, and we will continue to do so."

Then why do they wanna live seperate from Americans? Why do they wanna have their own private spread for only Muslims?

you mean like how the amish separate themselves from modern america???

Tell me Cate how The Amish do this. I live in a state with a signifigant Amish population. They interact daily with "modern" America.Sell their goods and buy goods. Seems to me that the only thing different is HOW they live in America. Just because they call the rest of America "The English" doesn't mean a thing.

dunkman

mickeyrat wrote:

catefrances wrote:

you mean like how the amish separate themselves from modern america???

Tell me Cate how The Amish do this. I live in a state with a signifigant Amish population. They interact daily with "modern" America.Sell their goods and buy goods. Seems to me that the only thing different is HOW they live in America. Just because they call the rest of America "The English" doesn't mean a thing.

the Amish do separate themselves from modern America... I can't understand why you would argue to the contrary

cincybearcat

metsfan wrote:

the amish probably are more happier then modern america

I'll take that bet.

dunkman

cincybearcat wrote:

metsfan wrote:

the amish probably are more happier then modern america

I'll take that bet.

i'd bet they are better at grammar also.

fucking mixing up then and than... how simple could it be.

TriumphantAngel

dunkman wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

metsfan wrote:

the amish probably are more happier then modern america

I'll take that bet.

i'd bet they are better at grammar also.

fucking mixing up then and than... how simple could it be.

that's what happens when you could care less.