first off i am not saying that we should hold god responsible for anything. Do you believe in cause and effect? if you say yes than you must then agree that we are not free, if you say no then you must say that there is no relation to what you decide to do and what you done.
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Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
In mine, it is not.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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So, you're saying God has limits to what He can and can't do?
Your belief is that He is incapable of doing some things, correct?
First i don't like the term "he". yes there are limits to what god can and can't do. those limits is that god can't do the impossible.
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But, the greatest flaw in your reasoning is... YOU are the one assuming that God cannot do the impossible... specifically, create something that God, Himself, cannot move. That is an assumption on your part, not a fact.
That being said... you don't know the limits of what God can and cannot do because you don't know whether He can create something He cannot move... you assume that... but, the reality is... you don't KNOW that.
Therefore, your TRUE ansewer is... "I don't know" because the fact is... you don't know.
actually no i am not assuming that god can't do the impossible. by definition the impossible is that which can't be done, if god can do it than it is not impossible. so going back. if god can make a rock "he" can't move than god can't do everything. god can't make a circle a square why because they are different by definition.
first off i am not saying that we should hold god responsible for anything. Do you believe in cause and effect? if you say yes than you must then agree that we are not free, if you say no then you must say that there is no relation to what you decide to do and what you done.
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Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
In mine, it is not.
no matter what you call it doesn't matter. you can call it god or anything else.
But, the greatest flaw in your reasoning is... YOU are the one assuming that God cannot do the impossible... specifically, create something that God, Himself, cannot move. That is an assumption on your part, not a fact.
That being said... you don't know the limits of what God can and cannot do because you don't know whether He can create something He cannot move... you assume that... but, the reality is... you don't KNOW that.
Therefore, your TRUE ansewer is... "I don't know" because the fact is... you don't know.
actually no i am not assuming that god can't do the impossible. by definition the impossible is that which can't be done, if god can do it than it is not impossible. so going back. if god can make a rock "he" can't move than god can't do everything. god can't make a circle a square why because they are different by definition.
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Sorry... but you are focusing too much on the term, 'Impossible' and making the assumption that God is incapable of making a rock so large, He cannot move it. How do you KNOW this... as a fact?
Answer: You don't.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
first off i am not saying that we should hold god responsible for anything. Do you believe in cause and effect? if you say yes than you must then agree that we are not free, if you say no then you must say that there is no relation to what you decide to do and what you done.
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Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
In mine, it is not.
no matter what you call it doesn't matter. you can call it god or anything else.
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Okay... I say that I am the one who creates the Cause, in Cause and Effect, that present me with situations having to choose my decisions.
Since I am the one who presents myself with the cause... I have free will.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
In mine, it is not.[/quote]
no matter what you call it doesn't matter. you can call it god or anything else.[/quote]
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Okay... I say that I am the one who creates the Cause, in Cause and Effect, that present me with situations having to choose my decisions.
Since I am the one who presents myself with the cause... I have free will.[/quote]
damm, i think this tread went to areas that the OP never intended unless you were able to create yourself you are not the cause.
damm, i think this tread went to areas that the OP never intended unless you were able to create yourself you are not the cause.
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No... we're on track... speaking of the Power God has over us.
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I did not create me... that was my parent's fault.
But, I decide what to do when any and all situations that confront me... from deciding to get out of bed or sleep for another 30 minutes to which one of these companies I have to tell is not going to get our business. one decision affects only me... the other affects hundreds of people. God didn't place these causes before me... other people have, yet, the responsibility of the effect of my decision comes down on me.
God has nothing to do with it... it was not pre-determined.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
grrrr, that film religilous really sucks. bill maher really cherry-picks who he talks to - the god-believers seem uneducated and borderline crazy, and the non-god-believers are clearly learned and articulate. no wonder faith in god winds up looking absurd.
one could just as easily talk to intelligent and thoughtful god-believers and contrast their beliefs with non-god-believers who haven't thought about it much, or just don't speak well. whose beliefs would look better then?
anyone notice how much screen time he gives to the ONE intelligent believer he interviews? only a few seconds, really.
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Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
In mine, it is not.
Hail, Hail!!!
actually no i am not assuming that god can't do the impossible. by definition the impossible is that which can't be done, if god can do it than it is not impossible. so going back. if god can make a rock "he" can't move than god can't do everything. god can't make a circle a square why because they are different by definition.
Sorry... but you are focusing too much on the term, 'Impossible' and making the assumption that God is incapable of making a rock so large, He cannot move it. How do you KNOW this... as a fact?
Answer: You don't.
Hail, Hail!!!
Okay... I say that I am the one who creates the Cause, in Cause and Effect, that present me with situations having to choose my decisions.
Since I am the one who presents myself with the cause... I have free will.
Hail, Hail!!!
Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
In mine, it is not.[/quote]
no matter what you call it doesn't matter. you can call it god or anything else.[/quote]
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Okay... I say that I am the one who creates the Cause, in Cause and Effect, that present me with situations having to choose my decisions.
Since I am the one who presents myself with the cause... I have free will.[/quote]
damm, i think this tread went to areas that the OP never intended
No... we're on track... speaking of the Power God has over us.
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I did not create me... that was my parent's fault.
But, I decide what to do when any and all situations that confront me... from deciding to get out of bed or sleep for another 30 minutes to which one of these companies I have to tell is not going to get our business. one decision affects only me... the other affects hundreds of people. God didn't place these causes before me... other people have, yet, the responsibility of the effect of my decision comes down on me.
God has nothing to do with it... it was not pre-determined.
Hail, Hail!!!
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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one could just as easily talk to intelligent and thoughtful god-believers and contrast their beliefs with non-god-believers who haven't thought about it much, or just don't speak well. whose beliefs would look better then?
anyone notice how much screen time he gives to the ONE intelligent believer he interviews? only a few seconds, really.
not the point of the thread, though. sorry.