The Power of God question

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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    Paul David wrote:
    I was afraid this was going to turn into a religion debate again. That's not the purpose of this particular thread.

    Those of you that believe in God: what power, if any, does he have over our lives?
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    I'll stay on track...
    My guess... not much power over us... regarding the decisions we make.
    God (Nature) provides us with an environment that can sustain our lives... at this point in the history of our Earth. We have to decide what we are going to do with our lives during our brief stay here and quit blaming God for our fuck ups. How about we take responsibility for our poor decisions and give ourselves credit when credit is due? God does not care about home runs, touchdowns or Grammys. God has better things to do... such as running the Universe(s)... than to bother with the lives of us apes on this tiny blue speck... which isn't gong to be here forever.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    oh a love that questions wrote a paper on in university but the question was can god build a rock he could not move and the answer is no. the reason is that GOD can't do the impossible.
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    But... you don't know that.. as a fact... right? You may believe it to be true... but, that does not make it true.
    The true answer is... 'I don't know'.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Cosmo wrote:
    fife wrote:
    oh a love that questions wrote a paper on in university but the question was can god build a rock he could not move and the answer is no. the reason is that GOD can't do the impossible.
    ...
    But... you don't know that.. as a fact... right? You may believe it to be true... but, that does not make it true.
    The true answer is... 'I don't know'.

    Actually yes i can say that for certain. the term impossible means (unless we are deciding that words to not mean anything which can lead us to a bigger issue) not capable of occurring or being accomplished.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Cosmo wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    I was afraid this was going to turn into a religion debate again. That's not the purpose of this particular thread.

    Those of you that believe in God: what power, if any, does he have over our lives?
    ...
    I'll stay on track...
    My guess... not much power over us... regarding the decisions we make.
    God (Nature) provides us with an environment that can sustain our lives... at this point in the history of our Earth. We have to decide what we are going to do with our lives during our brief stay here and quit blaming God for our fuck ups. How about we take responsibility for our poor decisions and give ourselves credit when credit is due? God does not care about home runs, touchdowns or Grammys. God has better things to do... such as running the Universe(s)... than to bother with the lives of us apes on this tiny blue speck... which isn't gong to be here forever.

    quick question. why do you believe that we are free to decide?
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    fife wrote:
    oh a love that questions wrote a paper on in university but the question was can god build a rock he could not move and the answer is no. the reason is that GOD can't do the impossible.
    ...
    But... you don't know that.. as a fact... right? You may believe it to be true... but, that does not make it true.
    The true answer is... 'I don't know'.

    Actually yes i can say that for certain. the term impossible means (unless we are deciding that words to not mean anything which can lead us to a bigger issue) not capable of occurring or being accomplished.
    ...
    So, you're saying God has limits to what He can and can't do?
    Your belief is that He is incapable of doing some things, correct?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I'll stay on track...
    My guess... not much power over us... regarding the decisions we make.
    God (Nature) provides us with an environment that can sustain our lives... at this point in the history of our Earth. We have to decide what we are going to do with our lives during our brief stay here and quit blaming God for our fuck ups. How about we take responsibility for our poor decisions and give ourselves credit when credit is due? God does not care about home runs, touchdowns or Grammys. God has better things to do... such as running the Universe(s)... than to bother with the lives of us apes on this tiny blue speck... which isn't gong to be here forever.

    quick question. why do you believe that we are free to decide?
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    Because we possess the mechanisms TO decide. We can make assessments of conditions and situations and decide to pick A or B and should own up to the consequences of our decisions.
    Holding God responsible for your decisions and action? I don't believe so.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • markin ball
    markin ball Posts: 1,076
    fife wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    I was afraid this was going to turn into a religion debate again. That's not the purpose of this particular thread.

    Those of you that believe in God: what power, if any, does he have over our lives?

    hopefully i am answering this questions correctly. in my view, God is that which everything came from. therefore, God has all the power over everything. and i know your next question is going to be then about freewill and i will tell you know that there is no such thing as freewill.

    If there is no freewill, and God has power over all, it seems God would have no reason to create anything, because he already knows how it will all play out.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

    "With our thoughts we make the world"
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
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    But... you don't know that.. as a fact... right? You may believe it to be true... but, that does not make it true.
    The true answer is... 'I don't know'.[/quote]

    Actually yes i can say that for certain. the term impossible means (unless we are deciding that words to not mean anything which can lead us to a bigger issue) not capable of occurring or being accomplished.[/quote]
    ...
    So, you're saying God has limits to what He can and can't do?
    Your belief is that He is incapable of doing some things, correct?[/quote]

    First i don't like the term "he". yes there are limits to what god can and can't do. those limits is that god can't do the impossible.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Cosmo wrote:
    fife wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    I'll stay on track...
    My guess... not much power over us... regarding the decisions we make.
    God (Nature) provides us with an environment that can sustain our lives... at this point in the history of our Earth. We have to decide what we are going to do with our lives during our brief stay here and quit blaming God for our fuck ups. How about we take responsibility for our poor decisions and give ourselves credit when credit is due? God does not care about home runs, touchdowns or Grammys. God has better things to do... such as running the Universe(s)... than to bother with the lives of us apes on this tiny blue speck... which isn't gong to be here forever.

    quick question. why do you believe that we are free to decide?
    ...
    Because we possess the mechanisms TO decide. We can make assessments of conditions and situations and decide to pick A or B and should own up to the consequences of our decisions.
    Holding God responsible for your decisions and action? I don't believe so.

    first off i am not saying that we should hold god responsible for anything. Do you believe in cause and effect? if you say yes than you must then agree that we are not free, if you say no then you must say that there is no relation to what you decide to do and what you done.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    So, you're saying God has limits to what He can and can't do?
    Your belief is that He is incapable of doing some things, correct?

    First i don't like the term "he". yes there are limits to what god can and can't do. those limits is that god can't do the impossible.
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    But, the greatest flaw in your reasoning is... YOU are the one assuming that God cannot do the impossible... specifically, create something that God, Himself, cannot move. That is an assumption on your part, not a fact.
    That being said... you don't know the limits of what God can and cannot do because you don't know whether He can create something He cannot move... you assume that... but, the reality is... you don't KNOW that.
    Therefore, your TRUE ansewer is... "I don't know" because the fact is... you don't know.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    first off i am not saying that we should hold god responsible for anything. Do you believe in cause and effect? if you say yes than you must then agree that we are not free, if you say no then you must say that there is no relation to what you decide to do and what you done.
    ...
    Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
    In mine, it is not.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Cosmo wrote:
    fife wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    So, you're saying God has limits to what He can and can't do?
    Your belief is that He is incapable of doing some things, correct?

    First i don't like the term "he". yes there are limits to what god can and can't do. those limits is that god can't do the impossible.
    ...
    But, the greatest flaw in your reasoning is... YOU are the one assuming that God cannot do the impossible... specifically, create something that God, Himself, cannot move. That is an assumption on your part, not a fact.
    That being said... you don't know the limits of what God can and cannot do because you don't know whether He can create something He cannot move... you assume that... but, the reality is... you don't KNOW that.
    Therefore, your TRUE ansewer is... "I don't know" because the fact is... you don't know.

    actually no i am not assuming that god can't do the impossible. by definition the impossible is that which can't be done, if god can do it than it is not impossible. so going back. if god can make a rock "he" can't move than god can't do everything. god can't make a circle a square why because they are different by definition.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Cosmo wrote:
    fife wrote:
    first off i am not saying that we should hold god responsible for anything. Do you believe in cause and effect? if you say yes than you must then agree that we are not free, if you say no then you must say that there is no relation to what you decide to do and what you done.
    ...
    Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
    In mine, it is not.
    no matter what you call it doesn't matter. you can call it god or anything else.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    But, the greatest flaw in your reasoning is... YOU are the one assuming that God cannot do the impossible... specifically, create something that God, Himself, cannot move. That is an assumption on your part, not a fact.
    That being said... you don't know the limits of what God can and cannot do because you don't know whether He can create something He cannot move... you assume that... but, the reality is... you don't KNOW that.
    Therefore, your TRUE ansewer is... "I don't know" because the fact is... you don't know.

    actually no i am not assuming that god can't do the impossible. by definition the impossible is that which can't be done, if god can do it than it is not impossible. so going back. if god can make a rock "he" can't move than god can't do everything. god can't make a circle a square why because they are different by definition.
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    Sorry... but you are focusing too much on the term, 'Impossible' and making the assumption that God is incapable of making a rock so large, He cannot move it. How do you KNOW this... as a fact?
    Answer: You don't.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    fife wrote:
    first off i am not saying that we should hold god responsible for anything. Do you believe in cause and effect? if you say yes than you must then agree that we are not free, if you say no then you must say that there is no relation to what you decide to do and what you done.
    ...
    Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
    In mine, it is not.
    no matter what you call it doesn't matter. you can call it god or anything else.
    ...
    Okay... I say that I am the one who creates the Cause, in Cause and Effect, that present me with situations having to choose my decisions.
    Since I am the one who presents myself with the cause... I have free will.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    ...
    Faulty premise in this statement is... the 'Cause' in your equation is God.
    In mine, it is not.[/quote]
    no matter what you call it doesn't matter. you can call it god or anything else.[/quote]
    ...
    Okay... I say that I am the one who creates the Cause, in Cause and Effect, that present me with situations having to choose my decisions.
    Since I am the one who presents myself with the cause... I have free will.[/quote]

    damm, i think this tread went to areas that the OP never intended :lol: unless you were able to create yourself you are not the cause.
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    fife wrote:
    damm, i think this tread went to areas that the OP never intended :lol: unless you were able to create yourself you are not the cause.
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    No... we're on track... speaking of the Power God has over us.
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    I did not create me... that was my parent's fault.
    But, I decide what to do when any and all situations that confront me... from deciding to get out of bed or sleep for another 30 minutes to which one of these companies I have to tell is not going to get our business. one decision affects only me... the other affects hundreds of people. God didn't place these causes before me... other people have, yet, the responsibility of the effect of my decision comes down on me.
    God has nothing to do with it... it was not pre-determined.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    as an atheist, God has no power over me at all purely cause for me, he doesnt exist.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • dpmay
    dpmay Posts: 643
    grrrr, that film religilous really sucks. bill maher really cherry-picks who he talks to - the god-believers seem uneducated and borderline crazy, and the non-god-believers are clearly learned and articulate. no wonder faith in god winds up looking absurd.

    one could just as easily talk to intelligent and thoughtful god-believers and contrast their beliefs with non-god-believers who haven't thought about it much, or just don't speak well. whose beliefs would look better then?

    anyone notice how much screen time he gives to the ONE intelligent believer he interviews? only a few seconds, really.

    not the point of the thread, though. sorry.

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