Dem Senator Completely Schooled on ObamaCare

WaveCameCrashin

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38626

think she read the bill ? NOPE...

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Did YOU read the bill?? Nope.

Cosmo

I have a couple of questions...
Why is AT&T dropping the coverage? Taxes? The taxes are higher than the cost of the infusions?
Who was paying for the infusions? The Insurance company that provided the coverage for AT&T employees? How come no one is angry at the corporations and insurance companies that are dropping coverages in order to preserve the billion dollar profits?
...
And just an observation... those people sitting around, cheering for the angry mother... are probably the ones getting Medicare/Medicaid and driving around new SUVs. How about them only taking the care they need instead of taking all that they can because it's free?

inmytree

uhg...

I would have told that lady to quit pointing her finger at me and shove it up her ass...

$20 bucks says she and her family receive some sort of gov't assistance to help her children...

I think the yelly lady is being selfish...all she is talking about her herself...well lady, quit your whining and sell everything...

WaveCameCrashin

scb wrote:

Did YOU read the bill?? Nope.

um excuse me but you don't know if I have or not . For your information I have been reading it. It's 2,074 pages. It's not exactly something you can read in a short period of time.

Cosmo wrote:

I have a couple of questions...
Why is AT&T dropping the coverage? Taxes? The taxes are higher than the cost of the infusions?
Who was paying for the infusions? The Insurance company that provided the coverage for AT&T employees? How come no one is angry at the corporations and insurance companies that are dropping coverages in order to preserve the billion dollar profits?
...
And just an observation... those people sitting around, cheering for the angry mother... are probably the ones getting Medicare/Medicaid and driving around new SUVs. How about them only taking the care they need instead of taking all that they can because it's free?

Because they can't afford it would be my guess just like the other companies that are getting screwed. Why should she be mad at the ins companies when the reason is the healthcare bill. Almost everything Obama promised about this bill was a lie..

and how do you know the ones clapping are the ones driving around suv's ??/

look the bottem line is this bill is going to be a disaster and there is going to be rationing and your going to have faceless bureaucrats making life and death decisions.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... c.htmljust the threat of Obamacare causes rationing
Valerie Ward
As an Ovarian Cancer survivor, I tried in vain to convince my liberal friends that Obamacare will make it more difficult for cancer patients to receive access to new drugs and treatments. Why would we want to install a UK or Canadian healthcare style system when their survival rates are so much lower than ours, I would ask? I'm not one to say I told ya so but I recently received two alarming emails from the Ovarian Cancer National Alliance, OCNA. I received the first email shortly after Donald Berwick was installed as Obama's controversial Head of Medicare.

Provenge, a vaccine to treat the recurrence of prostate cancer, has been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The vaccine is made from a patient's own blood cells with cancer cells and an immune boosting substance. ... However, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) is still reviewing whether it will cover Provenge, and at what rate.

... with respect to Provenge, it appears that CMS is arguing that while the treatment is safe and effective, it may not be reasonable and necessary. For the first time, an FDA approved anti-cancer therapy may not be covered by Medicare.
And today I received this email:
The Ovarian Cancer National Alliance (OCNA) and Susan G. Komen for the Cure(R) today urged the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to continue to allow the use of the drug bevacizumab, commonly known as Avastin, for metastatic breast cancer patients, noting that it is effective for many individuals. ...
OCNA is concerned that an FDA label change will further restrict access to Avastin for ovarian cancer patients. Many women with ovarian cancer are receiving and benefitting from Avastin, although its use for ovarian cancer is "off label." These women face another worry: Medicare has already rejected some requests for Avastin, one of the world's most expensive but widely used cancer drugs. OCNA argues that Medicare and its contractors should pay for anti-cancer drugs that are listed on the approved compendia for Avastin.

WaveCameCrashin

inmytree wrote:

uhg...

I would have told that lady to quit pointing her finger at me and shove it up her ass...

$20 bucks says she and her family receive some sort of gov't assistance to help her children...

I think the yelly lady is being selfish...all she is talking about her herself...well lady, quit your whining and sell everything...

Maybe you forgot or you just dense,but the ELECTED OFFICIALS WORK FOR US. when you start messing with well being or health of peoples children people have every right to be upset.. maybe you would be happy under some kind of authoritarian dictatorship..

TriumphantAngel

the link doesn't work. it takes you to a page that says Oops! The page you requested could not be found.

anyways, i had a bit of a look around myself. what an awful site. charming articles on One more reason (as if you needed it) to oppose Ground Zero mosque and Sarah Palin, wordsmith

hahaha

best of all though, it had these brain training games where you can improve your;

intelligence
memory
attention
focus
speed
language
problem solving
visual recall
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etc


funniest shit ever. clearly they don't spend much time using them.

Pepe Silvia

TriumphantAngel wrote:

the link doesn't work. it takes you to a page that says Oops! The page you requested could not be found.

anyways, i had a bit of a look around myself. what an awful site. charming articles on One more reason (as if you needed it) to oppose Ground Zero mosque and Sarah Palin, wordsmith

hahaha

best of all though, it had these brain training games where you can improve your;

intelligence
memory
attention
focus
speed
language
problem solving
visual recall
spatial reasoning
etc


funniest shit ever. clearly they don't spend much time using them.

i liked the big banner ad for ann coulter's book, myself....

inmytree

prfctlefts wrote:

inmytree wrote:

uhg...

I would have told that lady to quit pointing her finger at me and shove it up her ass...

$20 bucks says she and her family receive some sort of gov't assistance to help her children...

I think the yelly lady is being selfish...all she is talking about her herself...well lady, quit your whining and sell everything...

Maybe you forgot or you just dense,but the ELECTED OFFICIALS WORK FOR US. when you start messing with well being or health of peoples children people have every right to be upset.. maybe you would be happy under some kind of authoritarian dictatorship..

oh, ok...so I can go around yelling and bitching at those who work for me...?

I was raised to treat people with respect...I see you weren't....

and why do you have to go to such extremes...authoritarian dictatorship...??? wtf is that...?

I say the lady was rude, selfish, and out of line...suddenly I support dictatorships...

Pepe Silvia

inmytree wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

inmytree wrote:

uhg...

I would have told that lady to quit pointing her finger at me and shove it up her ass...

$20 bucks says she and her family receive some sort of gov't assistance to help her children...

I think the yelly lady is being selfish...all she is talking about her herself...well lady, quit your whining and sell everything...

Maybe you forgot or you just dense,but the ELECTED OFFICIALS WORK FOR US. when you start messing with well being or health of peoples children people have every right to be upset.. maybe you would be happy under some kind of authoritarian dictatorship..

oh, ok...so I can go around yelling and bitching at those who work for me...?

I was raised to treat people with respect...I see you weren't....

and why do you have to go to such extremes...authoritarian dictatorship...??? wtf is that...?

I say the lady was rude, selfish, and out of line...suddenly I support dictatorships...

but you supported it when barney frank acted like a huge prick to that lady and yelled and screamed at her, right?

inmytree

Pepe Silvia wrote:

inmytree wrote:

oh, ok...so I can go around yelling and bitching at those who work for me...?

I was raised to treat people with respect...I see you weren't....

and why do you have to go to such extremes...authoritarian dictatorship...??? wtf is that...?

I say the lady was rude, selfish, and out of line...suddenly I support dictatorships...

but you supported it when barney frank acted like a huge prick to that lady and yelled and screamed at her, right?

yeah, they were exactly the same...

I guess I have to go back watch the video...you know since barney was yelling and pointing...and the women he was speaking to was completely correct...oh wait, the lady was calling Obama and Barney a Nazi...

I have to ask you, on what planet do you spend most of your time...

:roll:

Pepe Silvia

inmytree wrote:

Pepe Silvia wrote:

inmytree wrote:

oh, ok...so I can go around yelling and bitching at those who work for me...?

I was raised to treat people with respect...I see you weren't....

and why do you have to go to such extremes...authoritarian dictatorship...??? wtf is that...?

I say the lady was rude, selfish, and out of line...suddenly I support dictatorships...

but you supported it when barney frank acted like a huge prick to that lady and yelled and screamed at her, right?

yeah, they were exactly the same...

I guess I have to go back watch the video...you know since barney was yelling and pointing...and the women he was speaking to was completely correct...oh wait, the lady was calling Obama and Barney a Nazi...

I have to ask you, on what planet do you spend most of your time...

:roll:

apparently not on the same planet as you where you say you were raised to treat people with respect and to not yell and bitch at them....as long as they agree with you, otherwise yell and scream at them and put them down, because we all know that's how you come to an understanding.....on my planet i think you should even give those you disagree with respect and talk to them as a person.

she didn't call frank or obama a nazi, she thought the health care bill was comparable to the nazi health plan and as i stated in your thread where you thought frank's actions were funny i do not think the policy is close to a nazi one but the fact remains that is not how you talk to people. if you had a kid and they asked a stupid question would you be ok with a teacher or adult screaming at them and calling them stupid? instead of putting her down he should've calmly told her how she was wrong instead of being an enormous prick.

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inmytree

Pepe Silvia wrote:

apparently not on the same planet as you where you say you were raised to treat people with respect and to not yell and bitch at them....as long as they agree with you, otherwise yell and scream at them and put them down, because we all know that's how you come to an understanding.....on my planet i think you should even give those you disagree with respect and talk to them as a person.

she didn't call frank or obama a nazi, she thought the health care bill was comparable to the nazi health plan and as i stated in your thread where you thought frank's actions were funny i do not think the policy is close to a nazi one but the fact remains that is not how you talk to people. if you had a kid and they asked a stupid question would you be ok with a teacher or adult screaming at them and calling them stupid? instead of putting her down he should've calmly told her how she was wrong instead of being an enormous prick.

if that's how you see it, fine...respectfully, I don't ...(I do have to say, I am flattered that you seem recall my pasts post )

If you want to lump everything and every interaction on the world as one and the same so be it...

Back to the topic at hand...I do think the women in the video could have handled things better...

Pepe Silvia

agree to disagree, especially since i think frank acted like much more of an ass or buffoon than this lady did. both have flawed arguments but hagan didn't start screaming at her and saying talking to her was like talking to a brick wall and what planet did she spend most of her time....she tried to be civil.

as i said, i think it's ridiculous to think this health care bill will lead to rationing care and the government killing granny but screaming at the person isn't going to change their minds, if anything it will strengthen it by making them think they were trying to bully you into shutting up.

to each their own. i think both frank and this lady were obnoxious to different degrees. it's not lumping everything as the same, it's about what you said, treating people with respect, did barney frank do that? no, but apparently that is acceptable because she believed something she heard on glenn beck?

WaveCameCrashin

@inmytree and pepe
Im just curious do either of you have children ?
I don't, but my point is when you have people that are going to be making decisions that will effect the health of someones kids, you better believe you're going to see a lot of emotion coming from them.Most of the elected officials if not all that voted for this bill did not even read it. Even stretch Pelosi said

we have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it.

of course we wont see all the negative affects it's going to have until 2014,but I guarantee you all of us are going to be affected by this horrible bill in one way or another.

cajunkiwi

TriumphantAngel wrote:

the link doesn't work. it takes you to a page that says Oops! The page you requested could not be found.

anyways, i had a bit of a look around myself. what an awful site. charming articles on One more reason (as if you needed it) to oppose Ground Zero mosque and Sarah Palin, wordsmith

hahaha

best of all though, it had these brain training games where you can improve your;

intelligence
memory
attention
focus
speed
language
problem solving
visual recall
spatial reasoning
etc


funniest shit ever. clearly they don't spend much time using them.

Anyone who considers Sarah Palin a wordsmith and not a word butcher isn't to be taken seriously lol

WaveCameCrashin

I seriously don't get why liberal women hate Sarah Palin so much.. Which seems to be the same sentiment towards all conservative women.

Maybe it's because conservative women are better looking. :?

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prfctlefts wrote:

scb wrote:

Did YOU read the bill?? Nope.

um excuse me but you don't know if I have or not . For your information I have been reading it. It's 2,074 pages. It's not exactly something you can read in a short period of time.

Exactly. That's how I know you didn't read it. So I don't think you have any room to criticize anyone else who hasn't read it.

_

prfctlefts wrote:

look the bottem line is this bill is going to be a disaster and there is going to be rationing and your going to have faceless bureaucrats making life and death decisions.

You keep saying that but you haven't proven it.

_

prfctlefts wrote:

inmytree wrote:

uhg...

I would have told that lady to quit pointing her finger at me and shove it up her ass...

$20 bucks says she and her family receive some sort of gov't assistance to help her children...

I think the yelly lady is being selfish...all she is talking about her herself...well lady, quit your whining and sell everything...

Maybe you forgot or you just dense,but the ELECTED OFFICIALS WORK FOR US. when you start messing with well being or health of peoples children people have every right to be upset..

Exactly. That's why we elected a president who would pass healthcare reform. I'm glad you understand.