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Jim Schwartz Says Jim Harbaugh Shoved, Swore At Him ... https://g.co/kgs/LrkxVQ

mrussel1

Wobbie said:

smug? he ought to hire jim schwartz to his staff. it would be a match made in heaven.

I now love Jim Schwartz

Wobbie

my BIL calls schwartz “smugfuck”…”smuggie,” for short.

F Me In The Brain

Wobbie said:

my BIL calls schwartz “smugfuck”…”smuggie,” for short.

Yeah, I'd say he is the worst...but Harbaugh beat him there!

darwinstheory

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

mrussel1

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

Why do you think the NCAA would favor OSU over UM? 

Also,  Tennessee was one of the teams this guy scouted last year.  They seemed destined for the playoffs before the injury at QB.

Evidently the Big 10 coaches have known about this for a while.  People were on it. 

F Me In The Brain

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

    

darwinstheory

mrussel1 said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

Why do you think the NCAA would favor OSU over UM? 

Also,  Tennessee was one of the teams this guy scouted last year.  They seemed destined for the playoffs before the injury at QB.

Evidently the Big 10 coaches have known about this for a while.  People were on it. 

I'm not suggesting the NCAA favors osu over meatchicken. I'm merely suggesting that (based on precedence) the NCAA will take longer to issue punishment than the season is long. I believe they give a school 90 days to respond to their findings. So, this leaves everything (publicly) up to the B1G itself. If they self impose a playoff ban, then that allows osu to essentially walk into the playoffs. If the B1G does not impose a playoff ban for UM, then I would believe the NCAA would see to it that osu beats UM (if they need help in doing so - I'm not suggesting they will need help and not knocking osu at all here).

However I do believe the B1G will intervene, because: 
• They don't want to be seen as enabling this behavior 
• They have a backup plan (worst case scenario) in osu representing them in the playoffs. Say osu had 2 losses and UM was the only viable B1G representation, then I think nothing would happen to UM until after the season.

darwinstheory

F Me In The Brain said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

    

You disagree or enjoying someone other than USC getting humiliated? 😁

mrussel1

darwinstheory said:

mrussel1 said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

Why do you think the NCAA would favor OSU over UM? 

Also,  Tennessee was one of the teams this guy scouted last year.  They seemed destined for the playoffs before the injury at QB.

Evidently the Big 10 coaches have known about this for a while.  People were on it. 

I'm not suggesting the NCAA favors osu over meatchicken. I'm merely suggesting that (based on precedence) the NCAA will take longer to issue punishment than the season is long. I believe they give a school 90 days to respond to their findings. So, this leaves everything (publicly) up to the B1G itself. If they self impose a playoff ban, then that allows osu to essentially walk into the playoffs. If the B1G does not impose a playoff ban for UM, then I would believe the NCAA would see to it that osu beats UM (if they need help in doing so - I'm not suggesting they will need help and not knocking osu at all here).

However I do believe the B1G will intervene, because: 
• They don't want to be seen as enabling this behavior 
• They have a backup plan (worst case scenario) in osu representing them in the playoffs. Say osu had 2 losses and UM was the only viable B1G representation, then I think nothing would happen to UM until after the season.

Ok I see.  I don't think there will be severe consequences of this,  but I do think the actual impact of the violation is real.  If they really had a sign card for all of these teams,  that's a significant advantage and would explain the other worldly turnaround that Michigan (and their defense) had experienced in the past two years.

I hope you're right though.  I hope the Big steps in. 

F Me In The Brain

darwinstheory said:

F Me In The Brain said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

    

You disagree or enjoying someone other than USC getting humiliated? 😁

Mocking the NCAA's ways will always be funny to me

I remember cursing that damn ND AD, Sworedick, when he was part of the witchhunt of USC.   No conflict of interest there!     

*****edit****** I was wrong in my recollection.  It was Missy Conboy of Notee Dame that was part of the group, not Jackie Boy. 

The sign stealing is like the recruiting violations used to be.  Everyone knows it happens.  Looks like that butthole Jim Harbaugh took it further and got caught.  They surely should get heavily punished....wonder if someone from their rival school will be part of the group determining that....a la Missy.

I read that the new AD next year at ND will be....an NBC Sports executive.   That makes perfect sense.  🥰 

F Me In The Brain

Also, USC is awesome at embarrassing themselves the last decade or so.  Don't need any outside help! 

darwinstheory

F Me In The Brain said:

darwinstheory said:

F Me In The Brain said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

    

You disagree or enjoying someone other than USC getting humiliated? 😁

Mocking the NCAA's ways will always be funny to me

I remember cursing that damn ND AD, Sworedick, when he was part of the witchhunt of USC.   No conflict of interest there!     

*****edit****** I was wrong in my recollection.  It was Missy Conboy of Notee Dame that was part of the group, not Jackie Boy. 

The sign stealing is like the recruiting violations used to be.  Everyone knows it happens.  Looks like that butthole Jim Harbaugh took it further and got caught.  They surely should get heavily punished....wonder if someone from their rival school will be part of the group determining that....a la Missy.

I read that the new AD next year at ND will be....an NBC Sports executive.   That makes perfect sense.  🥰 

Yes he is an NBC sports executive. Also, just this summer after Jack Swarbrick announced Pete Bequeva (sp?) as his heir apparent, Jack inked ND to a long term Under Armour apparel deal. I'll let you go ahead and guess for which company Swarbricks son is gainfully employed. 

darwinstheory

mrussel1 said:

darwinstheory said:

mrussel1 said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

Why do you think the NCAA would favor OSU over UM? 

Also,  Tennessee was one of the teams this guy scouted last year.  They seemed destined for the playoffs before the injury at QB.

Evidently the Big 10 coaches have known about this for a while.  People were on it. 

I'm not suggesting the NCAA favors osu over meatchicken. I'm merely suggesting that (based on precedence) the NCAA will take longer to issue punishment than the season is long. I believe they give a school 90 days to respond to their findings. So, this leaves everything (publicly) up to the B1G itself. If they self impose a playoff ban, then that allows osu to essentially walk into the playoffs. If the B1G does not impose a playoff ban for UM, then I would believe the NCAA would see to it that osu beats UM (if they need help in doing so - I'm not suggesting they will need help and not knocking osu at all here).

However I do believe the B1G will intervene, because: 
• They don't want to be seen as enabling this behavior 
• They have a backup plan (worst case scenario) in osu representing them in the playoffs. Say osu had 2 losses and UM was the only viable B1G representation, then I think nothing would happen to UM until after the season.

Ok I see.  I don't think there will be severe consequences of this,  but I do think the actual impact of the violation is real.  If they really had a sign card for all of these teams,  that's a significant advantage and would explain the other worldly turnaround that Michigan (and their defense) had experienced in the past two years.

I hope you're right though.  I hope the Big steps in. 

I hope they step in as well. Sure, we all want our teams in the playoffs, but we can likely all agree that we truly want the top 4 (12 next year) teams in. At this point, how can we be sure what UM really is? How can they justifiably get in when their schedule is a complete laughing stock and they cheat their way through that? It is impossible to know what they really are unless you look at the results from the 1 known game in which they allegedly did not cheat. TCU.

mrussel1

darwinstheory said:

mrussel1 said:

darwinstheory said:

mrussel1 said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

Why do you think the NCAA would favor OSU over UM? 

Also,  Tennessee was one of the teams this guy scouted last year.  They seemed destined for the playoffs before the injury at QB.

Evidently the Big 10 coaches have known about this for a while.  People were on it. 

I'm not suggesting the NCAA favors osu over meatchicken. I'm merely suggesting that (based on precedence) the NCAA will take longer to issue punishment than the season is long. I believe they give a school 90 days to respond to their findings. So, this leaves everything (publicly) up to the B1G itself. If they self impose a playoff ban, then that allows osu to essentially walk into the playoffs. If the B1G does not impose a playoff ban for UM, then I would believe the NCAA would see to it that osu beats UM (if they need help in doing so - I'm not suggesting they will need help and not knocking osu at all here).

However I do believe the B1G will intervene, because: 
• They don't want to be seen as enabling this behavior 
• They have a backup plan (worst case scenario) in osu representing them in the playoffs. Say osu had 2 losses and UM was the only viable B1G representation, then I think nothing would happen to UM until after the season.

Ok I see.  I don't think there will be severe consequences of this,  but I do think the actual impact of the violation is real.  If they really had a sign card for all of these teams,  that's a significant advantage and would explain the other worldly turnaround that Michigan (and their defense) had experienced in the past two years.

I hope you're right though.  I hope the Big steps in. 

I hope they step in as well. Sure, we all want our teams in the playoffs, but we can likely all agree that we truly want the top 4 (12 next year) teams in. At this point, how can we be sure what UM really is? How can they justifiably get in when their schedule is a complete laughing stock and they cheat their way through that? It is impossible to know what they really are unless you look at the results from the 1 known game in which they allegedly did not cheat. TCU.

Here's a good gift article about the state of the investigation and other details.  Some of my info comes from Eleven Warriors,  but this hits just about everything. 

https://wapo.st/3tMSZdt

F Me In The Brain

darwinstheory said:

F Me In The Brain said:

darwinstheory said:

F Me In The Brain said:

darwinstheory said:

Weird thing is there was someone reporting about this on a Tennessee Vols message board back in January. And now it is blown up. Curious if anything happens to UM this season. I'm certain if not, the NCAA will find a way to ensure Meatchicken doesn't win against osu.

    

You disagree or enjoying someone other than USC getting humiliated? 😁

Mocking the NCAA's ways will always be funny to me

I remember cursing that damn ND AD, Sworedick, when he was part of the witchhunt of USC.   No conflict of interest there!     

*****edit****** I was wrong in my recollection.  It was Missy Conboy of Notee Dame that was part of the group, not Jackie Boy. 

The sign stealing is like the recruiting violations used to be.  Everyone knows it happens.  Looks like that butthole Jim Harbaugh took it further and got caught.  They surely should get heavily punished....wonder if someone from their rival school will be part of the group determining that....a la Missy.

I read that the new AD next year at ND will be....an NBC Sports executive.   That makes perfect sense.  🥰 

Yes he is an NBC sports executive. Also, just this summer after Jack Swarbrick announced Pete Bequeva (sp?) as his heir apparent, Jack inked ND to a long term Under Armour apparel deal. I'll let you go ahead and guess for which company Swarbricks son is gainfully employed. 

It all connects!

mickeyrat

https://apnews.com/article/michigan-sign-stealing-ncaa-jim-harbaugh-84777a6c138c87c8ea0f3d729d60db71?utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Facebook

 

NCAA investigators interview Jim Harbaugh’s staff about sign-stealing scheme, AP source says

By LARRY LAGE

Updated 6:30 PM EDT, October 26, 2023

ANN ARBOR, Mich. (AP) — NCAA investigators interviewed members of Michigan football coach Jim Harbaugh’s staff Thursday about a sign-stealing scheme, a person familiar with the governing body’s visit told The Associated Press.

The investigation has rocked the undefeated and second-ranked Wolverines on their march toward a potential spot in the College Football Playoff. The interviews were confirmed by the person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to speak publicly about the details.

The NCAA inquiry was triggered by an outside firm’s investigation, which turned up videos of and documented plans and budgets for impermissible scouting of opponents. The Washington Post reported the firm obtained computer drives maintained and accessed by multiple Michigan coaches.

The firm presented evidence to the NCAA and suggested Connor Stalions, a low-level staffer who has been suspended by Michigan, was not the only person on staff aware of the scheme, according to the report. A second person with knowledge of the situation confirmed to the AP that a firm provided the NCAA with evidence, including photographs, videos and documents, that initiated the association’s investigation.

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That person told AP on Thursday the NCAA has not shared any evidence from the scouting case with Michigan officials or school attorneys.

It was unclear who hired the firm to investigate Michigan.

Harbaugh, who is facing unresolved NCAA violations in a separate case tied to recruiting, has denied any knowledge or involvement in impermissible scouting of opponents.

In January, offensive co-coordinator Matt Weiss was put on leave amid an investigation regarding unauthorized computer access at Schembechler Hall, where the coaching staff has offices and the team practices. University Deputy Police Chief Melissa Overton said Thursday the department has partnered with the FBI on the Weiss investigation, adding it is not related to the sign-stealing investigation

The Wolverines (8-0, 5-0 Big Ten) have won consecutive conference championships and reached the playoff semifinals each of the last two seasons. Michigan’s next game is Nov. 4 at home against Purdue.

The NCAA does not directly ban the stealing of signs, but there are rules against using electronic equipment to record an opponent’s signals and in-person, advanced scouting of future opponents in season. There are also rules against unsportsmanlike or unethical activities by coaches, and head coaches are generally considered to be responsible for violations that occur under their watch.

Stalions appeared to be purchasing tickets to the games of Michigan opponents and sending people to obtain video of the sideline signals used for calling in plays. There are images and video from Michigan games over the past two seasons with Stalions on the sideline, standing near Wolverines coaches. Stalions was hired in 2022 as part of the recruiting staff.

Multiple Big Ten schools have found records of tickets being purchased to their games in Stalions’ name over the past three seasons, and records show tickets purchased in Stalions’ name to the last two SEC championship games.

According to the Post, the investigative firm told the NCAA that cellphone videos from the games were uploaded to a computer drive accessed by Stalions and other Michigan assistants and coaches, though there was no evidence presented to the NCAA directly linking Harbaugh to the scheme.

The scandal has revived a desire by many coaches for the NCAA to clear the way for technology to be used for coaching staffs to communicate with players on the field, as is done in the NFL.

Wobbie

^^^^ I don’t know how big of a deal this whole thing is, but I find it impossible to believe Harbaugh didn’t know and wasn’t involved. It’s the same old story….the guy at the top (government, business, sports, etc) wants to control everything but conveniently didn’t have control over something when things go to shit.

mrussel1

Here is a new report from Yahoo about TCU and their knowledge of it going into the semi last year.  

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-tcu-knew-of-michigans-sign-stealing-scheme-prior-to-cfp-game-used-dummy-signals-to-dupe-wolverines-224848698.html

F Me In The Brain

Who is the lone team in the Big 10 that Harbaugh didn't think it was worth having his team spy on?
That is a funny note against that school.

Awesome that the other coaches all warned TCU.

I'm foggy in the years but I think it was way back in the first year when Karl Dorrell was the head coach at UCLA.  After the game when USC demolished them, the players were all saying after the game that the advance word was that UCLA was using the same calls they had used the previous year, under their previous coach.  I think that not only was bad but that USC had a defensive coach on staff that was on the former UCLA coach's staff....so that they would not only have their scouting and game tape from the prior yesr but also someone who was on the staff and knew all of the signals.

Could have the coaches mixed up but I know this scenario occurred.  And I recall the players all laughing saying that is was like taking candy from a baby.  Knowing the play calls in advance is a gigantic advantage.  
Harbaugh should get the death penalty as a head coach!