It's not that you don't know anything about the constituion,it goes bak to the whole idea of living and breathing. Is your car loan living and breathing ?
Words have meanings not interpretations..
The Constitution is a set of rules, and like any other set of rules, it is meant to be strict and uncompromising. Of course, the Constitution can be modified through the amendment process, but once ratified, any amendment becomes like the rest of the Constitution: rigid.
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You seriously need to go back to your High School Government class... and pay attention this time.
The reason WHY there is an Amendment process is to CHANGE the Constitution to fit changing times. In 1776, the British Army could take over your property to quarter their troops. This is why the 3rd Amendment prohibits this... it was very important to the landowners of 1776 who drafted the Constitution.
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And like someone else asked... really? A Car Loan?
Work on your metaphors, too.
really ?? no shit.. :roll: :roll: I was referring to it as living and breathing as you libs like to think as it is. and like I said" If thats the case than it's dead ".
I have no problem with any mosqe being built,just not 2 blocks from ground zero.
you are completely contradicting yourself in this sentence.
this reminds me of Rick James saying:
"i never did things just to do them. i never ground my muddy feet all over eddie murphy's couch like its something to do. i got a little more sense than that.........yeah i remember grinding my feet all over eddie murphy's couch."
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
people all over this country do things that others don't like...tough shit. People need to get over this already. it's 2 blocks away from the towers. 2 blocks. you can't even see it from where the towers were. Just because you don't think it's exactly appropriate does not negate these people's rights...so say you don't like it, fine. But for anyone to make any radical claims of terrorist funding and thumbing their noses at us just stop already! I don't like the fact that dumbasses all over the us get to own guns...but look at that. they have a constitutional right to. This entire country was founded on the principle of people able to practice their religion freely...so don't throw anymore obama is pissing on the constitution talk around here. just go look in the fucking mirror.
Assuming everyone is by now aware that this is really a community center, one small component of which will be a mosque... would people support the (Muslim) community center without a mosque?
Assuming everyone is by now aware that this is really a community center, one small component of which will be a mosque... would people support the (Muslim) community center without a mosque?
i doubt it. i would.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Here's something else I hope someone can explain to me: I keep hearing all this outrage (fueled, of course, by half-truths and conservative spin) about this community center being built in the same neighborhood as "ground zero," and people are saying shit like, "Don't they remember that day... what happened there... all the people who died??" Uh, yeah actually, we all remember very clearly what happened that day. But what is the connection between what happened that day and this community center?? :? I don't think I've seen a clear link in this part of the argument. Just because some people think it's disrespectful doesn't make it true, no matter how many people may (or may not) feel that way. So where is the concrete link?? WHAT EXACTLY makes it disrespectful, or whatever?
Ok for like the 100th time. FOWLLOW^THE^BOUNCING^BALL... No one is saying they dont' have a right to build it there. It's the location... It's not like there are'nt any Mosque in Manhattan. I think most at least I would if it were like 1/2 a mile from groun zero would be fine with it.. Even the govenor of NY offered them land to build somewhere else and he was going to give them the land. Hasn't the thought crossed anybody's mind as far as why this emam want's to build this mosque/community center right there. Why not somewhere else. I mean look if it were radical christians or Jehovah's witnesse's or even Buddhist I would feel the same way.. IMHO i feel that he is trying to provoke people and I think a lot of people are clearly forgetting the tragedy of 911 and how many people are still grieving.. Alsoi I feel that we have been more tolerant than anybody when it comes muslims.
Just look at that highschool in Dearborn where they are having football practice from 1:00 am to 4:00 am to cater to the Muslim players because it's ramadan .Muslims are not allowed to eat or drink during the day for the 30 days of Ramadan. I mean you could look at it like it's a way to hot during the day becuase of record heat in Michigan,but give me a break. You think they would do this for any other religion ? I wouldn't bet on it. If they have then I would love to hear about it.
For the 100th time, apparently, it’s not about the ‘location’ with you; it’s all about keeping the hate alive. If it’s not about hate, what’s the point in asking them to move 1 or 2 blocks, what’s the point about a Michigan school?
The fact that this terrorist site has been turned into a mythical ‘hollow ground’ issue by people like you, when first responders and workers are still being deny benefits from NYC is a joke.
You seem to forget that people from different religious backgrounds died when those planes were crashed into those buildings.
How do you think the Iraqi people feel about Fortress America? I guess tolerance goes both ways.
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people still grieving 9 years later....they really need to get on with their lives. yeah, don't forget, but damn.....live a little.
if they have a lease or own it, who (should) give a rats ass where they build. this is america? right? freedoms and all? right?
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are'nt you Mr. sensitive :roll:
i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings. :?
but lets be honest, if you (not we) ban this mosque, shouldn't you ban every mosque in the united states because they are too close to ground zero. i mean really, what is the difference between 2640 feet and 2640 miles. it's just some arbritary number that you (they) came up with.
once again, i say this is america and america is suppose to be about freedom of choice, religion, etc., and as long as my right does not encroach on your rights, than shouldn't be a problem. right?
maybe i missed the part about you having a right to a muslim free zone
was that sensitive enough for you, because, i'm not really a sensitive guy.
7. Lastly - on behalf of the people in America who don't think Muslim = terrorist, how much longer should Lower Manhattan be subjected to different rules than the rest of the country when it comes to construction? Will you still have a problem with Muslims setting up shop there in 2020? 2030? At what point are people going to get on with their lives and accept that while 9/11 was a tragedy, it can't be used as an excuse to persecute an entire religion forever?
7.Nobody is trying to persecute an entire religion. That's where you and everybody on this bored who are in favor of this cant seem to grasp.. and what different set of rules are you referring to ?
I didn't mean actual rules in the legal sense, per se - I should've been clearer about that.
What I meant was this: you, and other opponents of Park 51, don't want the building to go up as close to Ground Zero as it is currently proposed. Your reasoning is, from what I can tell, that it is still too close to 9/11 and the terrorist attacks are still a sore point to some people in NYC.
My question was, in your opinion how much time needs to pass before it's no longer a sore point and people can just get on with their lives? How much longer will the Muslim community have to wait before they can erect a building like Park 51 without people complaining that it's too close to Ground Zero and too soon after 9/11?
The reason people on this board, and around the country/world, say it's a religion being persecuted is simple: the Muslim religion didn't commit the 9/11 attacks. Opponents of Park 51 want the entire center moved to another location, and the message that sends is that they don't want Muslims that close to Ground Zero. Why don't they want Muslims that close to Ground Zero? Because the 9/11 attackers were Muslims. In effect, that's holding the entire religion responsible for the actions of a fringe group of assholes. Opponents of Park 51 are asking the Muslim community to move their community center all because of the actions of a few members of that community.
The thing I can't wrap my head around is this: if opponents of Park 51 truly have no problems with Muslims, honestly don't hold Muslims accountable for 9/11, and understand that the terrorist attacks were caused by a fringe movement that isn't representative of the religion as a whole, then why are they so passionately against the idea of Muslims being in that area?
The analogy about the Catholic church being used on AMT is an accurate one, I believe. This is akin to if one of your children was sodomized by a Catholic priest. If a Catholic church was going to be built at the end of your street, would you accept that the priest was not representative of the church as a whole, or would you hold the entire religion accountable and say they cannot build their church so close to where your son was sodomized?
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
It's not that you don't know anything about the constituion,it goes bak to the whole idea of living and breathing. Is your car loan living and breathing ?
Words have meanings not interpretations..
The Constitution is a set of rules, and like any other set of rules, it is meant to be strict and uncompromising. Of course, the Constitution can be modified through the amendment process, but once ratified, any amendment becomes like the rest of the Constitution: rigid.
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You seriously need to go back to your High School Government class... and pay attention this time.
The reason WHY there is an Amendment process is to CHANGE the Constitution to fit changing times. In 1776, the British Army could take over your property to quarter their troops. This is why the 3rd Amendment prohibits this... it was very important to the landowners of 1776 who drafted the Constitution.
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And like someone else asked... really? A Car Loan?
Work on your metaphors, too.
really ?? no shit.. :roll: :roll: I was referring to it as living and breathing as you libs like to think as it is. and like I said" If thats the case than it's dead ".
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Sorry... fail. Go back to High School... do not pass GO... do not collect $200.00.
Living, breathing is how our Founding Fathers drafted it... so, in your eyes, they must have been 'Libs'.
They understood the laws they were drafting were vague and open to interpretation to our courts, regarding the law making process. That is WHY the amendment process was put into place... so Amercians 200 years later would not have to adhere to rigid, outdated laws.
You want an example of a Rigid set of laws? The Ten Commandments. There are no interpretations there because they come from the mouth of God.
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Ok for like the 100th time. FOWLLOW^THE^BOUNCING^BALL... No one is saying they dont' have a right to build it there. It's the location... It's not like there are'nt any Mosque in Manhattan. I think most at least I would if it were like 1/2 a mile from groun zero would be fine with it.. Even the govenor of NY offered them land to build somewhere else and he was going to give them the land. Hasn't the thought crossed anybody's mind as far as why this emam want's to build this mosque/community center right there. Why not somewhere else. I mean look if it were radical christians or Jehovah's witnesse's or even Buddhist I would feel the same way.. IMHO i feel that he is trying to provoke people and I think a lot of people are clearly forgetting the tragedy of 911 and how many people are still grieving.. Alsoi I feel that we have been more tolerant than anybody when it comes muslims.
Just look at that highschool in Dearborn where they are having football practice from 1:00 am to 4:00 am to cater to the Muslim players because it's ramadan .Muslims are not allowed to eat or drink during the day for the 30 days of Ramadan. I mean you could look at it like it's a way to hot during the day becuase of record heat in Michigan,but give me a break. You think they would do this for any other religion ? I wouldn't bet on it. If they have then I would love to hear about it.
if it were buddhists christians or jehovas wanting to build we wouldnt be hearing about it. and i doubt itd be controversial . IMHO.
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I can't figure out which "mosque" thread we're on these days but I wanted to post this somewhere without starting another thread. I've never posted - or even watched - anything by this guy before, but I think his commentary here is pretty spot on. Worth the 12 minutes to watch.
Can someone who is opposed to the community center in Manhattan please tell me how they feel about this story?
It pisses me off that these people think they can come in here and build... um... swimming pools. I think they just want swimming pools so they can drown Americans.
There was a similar story in the NYT too - people all over the country are trying to stop mosques going up in their towns. The funniest thing (to me, anyway) about the Park51 controversy is that there's already a Muslim prayer room in the exact same building they're planning on turning into a community center. OMG, TERRORISTS ARE ALREADY RIGHT ON TOP OF GROUND ZERO PLANNING THEIR NEXT ATTACK!!!
I saw the other NPR link you posted about labels, and it made me think of a bit the Daily Show did last night showing that as recently as nine months ago even Fox News was in favor of it Park 51. If you didn't see it, I highly recommend it - he takes Glenn Beck's "logic" and "proves" that Fox News is actually a terrorist organization. Brilliant.
I'm still waiting to hear how the mosque protests nationwide jive with the Park 51 opponents' arguments that they still love Muslims...
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
There was a similar story in the NYT too - people all over the country are trying to stop mosques going up in their towns. The funniest thing (to me, anyway) about the Park51 controversy is that there's already a Muslim prayer room in the exact same building they're planning on turning into a community center. OMG, TERRORISTS ARE ALREADY RIGHT ON TOP OF GROUND ZERO PLANNING THEIR NEXT ATTACK!!!
ssh... youll confuse the bigots.
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Okay, so there's a space in the Pentagon which serves as a Muslim place of worship, among other uses. Sounds kind of like the community center you object to, don't ya think?
If you're going to get technical about the word "mosque" in one case, you need to apply your definition to all cases. When you do, the conclusion is that, just as there is no Pentagon mosque, there is also no (proposed) ground zero mosque.
so i can assume that we won't see anymore threads from you about the mosque at ground zero. cause now you finally understand it's not a mosque. and it's not at ground zero.
so i can assume that we won't see anymore threads from you about the mosque at ground zero. cause now you finally understand it's not a mosque. and it's not at ground zero.
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really ?? no shit.. :roll: :roll: I was referring to it as living and breathing as you libs like to think as it is. and like I said" If thats the case than it's dead ".
you are completely contradicting yourself in this sentence.
this reminds me of Rick James saying:
"i never did things just to do them. i never ground my muddy feet all over eddie murphy's couch like its something to do. i got a little more sense than that.........yeah i remember grinding my feet all over eddie murphy's couch."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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For the 100th time, apparently, it’s not about the ‘location’ with you; it’s all about keeping the hate alive. If it’s not about hate, what’s the point in asking them to move 1 or 2 blocks, what’s the point about a Michigan school?
The fact that this terrorist site has been turned into a mythical ‘hollow ground’ issue by people like you, when first responders and workers are still being deny benefits from NYC is a joke.
You seem to forget that people from different religious backgrounds died when those planes were crashed into those buildings.
How do you think the Iraqi people feel about Fortress America? I guess tolerance goes both ways.
i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings. :?
but lets be honest, if you (not we) ban this mosque, shouldn't you ban every mosque in the united states because they are too close to ground zero. i mean really, what is the difference between 2640 feet and 2640 miles. it's just some arbritary number that you (they) came up with.
once again, i say this is america and america is suppose to be about freedom of choice, religion, etc., and as long as my right does not encroach on your rights, than shouldn't be a problem. right?
maybe i missed the part about you having a right to a muslim free zone
was that sensitive enough for you, because, i'm not really a sensitive guy.
I didn't mean actual rules in the legal sense, per se - I should've been clearer about that.
What I meant was this: you, and other opponents of Park 51, don't want the building to go up as close to Ground Zero as it is currently proposed. Your reasoning is, from what I can tell, that it is still too close to 9/11 and the terrorist attacks are still a sore point to some people in NYC.
My question was, in your opinion how much time needs to pass before it's no longer a sore point and people can just get on with their lives? How much longer will the Muslim community have to wait before they can erect a building like Park 51 without people complaining that it's too close to Ground Zero and too soon after 9/11?
The reason people on this board, and around the country/world, say it's a religion being persecuted is simple: the Muslim religion didn't commit the 9/11 attacks. Opponents of Park 51 want the entire center moved to another location, and the message that sends is that they don't want Muslims that close to Ground Zero. Why don't they want Muslims that close to Ground Zero? Because the 9/11 attackers were Muslims. In effect, that's holding the entire religion responsible for the actions of a fringe group of assholes. Opponents of Park 51 are asking the Muslim community to move their community center all because of the actions of a few members of that community.
The thing I can't wrap my head around is this: if opponents of Park 51 truly have no problems with Muslims, honestly don't hold Muslims accountable for 9/11, and understand that the terrorist attacks were caused by a fringe movement that isn't representative of the religion as a whole, then why are they so passionately against the idea of Muslims being in that area?
The analogy about the Catholic church being used on AMT is an accurate one, I believe. This is akin to if one of your children was sodomized by a Catholic priest. If a Catholic church was going to be built at the end of your street, would you accept that the priest was not representative of the church as a whole, or would you hold the entire religion accountable and say they cannot build their church so close to where your son was sodomized?
Sorry... fail. Go back to High School... do not pass GO... do not collect $200.00.
Living, breathing is how our Founding Fathers drafted it... so, in your eyes, they must have been 'Libs'.
They understood the laws they were drafting were vague and open to interpretation to our courts, regarding the law making process. That is WHY the amendment process was put into place... so Amercians 200 years later would not have to adhere to rigid, outdated laws.
You want an example of a Rigid set of laws? The Ten Commandments. There are no interpretations there because they come from the mouth of God.
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if it were buddhists christians or jehovas wanting to build we wouldnt be hearing about it. and i doubt itd be controversial . IMHO.
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Can someone who is opposed to the community center in Manhattan please tell me how they feel about this story?
It pisses me off that these people think they can come in here and build... um... swimming pools. I think they just want swimming pools so they can drown Americans.
There was a similar story in the NYT too - people all over the country are trying to stop mosques going up in their towns. The funniest thing (to me, anyway) about the Park51 controversy is that there's already a Muslim prayer room in the exact same building they're planning on turning into a community center. OMG, TERRORISTS ARE ALREADY RIGHT ON TOP OF GROUND ZERO PLANNING THEIR NEXT ATTACK!!!
I saw the other NPR link you posted about labels, and it made me think of a bit the Daily Show did last night showing that as recently as nine months ago even Fox News was in favor of it Park 51. If you didn't see it, I highly recommend it - he takes Glenn Beck's "logic" and "proves" that Fox News is actually a terrorist organization. Brilliant.
I'm still waiting to hear how the mosque protests nationwide jive with the Park 51 opponents' arguments that they still love Muslims...
ssh... youll confuse the bigots.
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yes. yes there is.
this whole thing is ludicrous.
No No there's not...
http://factcheck.org/2010/08/no-pentagon-mosque/
Okay, so there's a space in the Pentagon which serves as a Muslim place of worship, among other uses. Sounds kind of like the community center you object to, don't ya think?
If you're going to get technical about the word "mosque" in one case, you need to apply your definition to all cases. When you do, the conclusion is that, just as there is no Pentagon mosque, there is also no (proposed) ground zero mosque.
based on your definition of a mosque there is.
scb beat me to it.
so i can assume that we won't see anymore threads from you about the mosque at ground zero. cause now you finally understand it's not a mosque. and it's not at ground zero.
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