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somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
edited August 2010 in The Porch
Alright, so I was listening to 106.5 the end out of Charlotte,NC today when the DJ said, "coming up next is a song by Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder personally called radio stations and asked them not to play this song." He went on to explain that because this song had so much personal meaning behind it, that Ed did not want it played. My first thought was, well then why are you playing it you tool. Shortly after Black began to play. Has anyone ever heard of this before or know if its true? I found it interesting. Incite??
Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    ClaireackClaireack Posts: 13,561
    Sorry, don't know.
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    Empty GlassEmpty Glass In Rob's shed Posts: 12,329
    I know he didn't want it released as a single. As far as calling stations and asking them not to play it, don't know
    I've met Rob

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    markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,066
    I have no real info on this but my 2 cents is this is pretty dumb sounding and was most likely a rumor or something taken out of context which then morphed into something other than the original statement. DJ's gotta fill time. The look for absolutely anything to talk about.
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    markin ball wrote:
    I have no real info on this but my 2 cents is this is pretty dumb sounding and was most likely a rumor or something taken out of context which then morphed into something other than the original statement. DJ's gotta fill time. The look for absolutely anything to talk about.

    Yea that's kind of what I was thinking too. Just another reason why the radio blows like Moby Dick!! I thought they were going to play be Release or Love Boat Captain or something along those lines.
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    riddled with metaphorsriddled with metaphors Posts: 55
    From what I understand, Black was written about Stefanie Sargent who was a guitarist in Seven Year Bitch. She died after suffocating on her own vomit from drinking and taking heroin. I'm not sure how much truth there is to this or if she was Ed's girlfriend at the time or whatnot. Ed doesn't talk about it for obvious reasons whatever they are. The song speaks volumes of the pain he went through.
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    mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    Alright, so I was listening to 106.5 the end out of Charlotte,NC today when the DJ said, "coming up next is a song by Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder personally called radio stations and asked them not to play this song." He went on to explain that because this song had so much personal meaning behind it, that Ed did not want it played. My first thought was, well then why are you playing it you tool. Shortly after Black began to play. Has anyone ever heard of this before or know if its true? I found it interesting. Incite??

    love 106.5
    love charlotte
    love black
    i read somewhere ed would yell at people if he heard them singing it on the street
    i cannot get a handle on him calling radio stations, though
    don't know about the stefanie sargent angle, but it is entirely possible
    peace, my carolina sister
    or if you were just passing through
    peace, carolina visitor
    to know it is to love it
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    lettinggo wrote:
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    Alright, so I was listening to 106.5 the end out of Charlotte,NC today when the DJ said, "coming up next is a song by Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder personally called radio stations and asked them not to play this song." He went on to explain that because this song had so much personal meaning behind it, that Ed did not want it played. My first thought was, well then why are you playing it you tool. Shortly after Black began to play. Has anyone ever heard of this before or know if its true? I found it interesting. Incite??

    love 106.5
    love charlotte
    love black
    i read somewhere ed would yell at people if he heard them singing it on the street
    i cannot get a handle on him calling radio stations, though
    don't know about the stefanie sargent angle, but it is entirely possible
    peace, my carolina sister
    or if you were just passing through
    peace, carolina visitor
    to know it is to love it

    haha carolina brother :D
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    lettinggo wrote:
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    Alright, so I was listening to 106.5 the end out of Charlotte,NC today when the DJ said, "coming up next is a song by Pearl Jam. Eddie Vedder personally called radio stations and asked them not to play this song." He went on to explain that because this song had so much personal meaning behind it, that Ed did not want it played. My first thought was, well then why are you playing it you tool. Shortly after Black began to play. Has anyone ever heard of this before or know if its true? I found it interesting. Incite??

    love 106.5
    love charlotte
    love black
    i read somewhere ed would yell at people if he heard them singing it on the street
    i cannot get a handle on him calling radio stations, though
    don't know about the stefanie sargent angle, but it is entirely possible
    peace, my carolina sister
    or if you were just passing through
    peace, carolina visitor
    to know it is to love it

    haha carolina brother :D
    this is so fucking funny because half the time people think I'm a guy
    maybe they think I'm a gay guy (not that there's anything wrong with that)
    peace, my carolina brother
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
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    WhyNotSwedenWhyNotSweden Sweden Posts: 4,266
    Empty Glass wrote:
    I know he didn't want it released as a single. As far as calling stations and asking them not to play it, don't know
    Well, I got this one;
    http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=428
    -95, Stockholm (MirrorBall Tour)
    -00, Stockholm
    -07, Copenhagen
    -09, Berlin
    -10, Berlin
    -11, East Troy 1+2
    -12, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen, EV London 2
    -13, London, Chicago
    -14, Amsterdam 1+2, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo
    -16, TOTD San Francisco 1+2
    -17, EV Amsterdam 2+3
    -18, Amsterdam 1+2, London 1+(2), Barcelona, London 2
    -19, EV Brussels

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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    Yep I know how you feel Carolina sister. Peace
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    WhynotSweden wrote:
    Empty Glass wrote:
    I know he didn't want it released as a single. As far as calling stations and asking them not to play it, don't know
    Well, I got this one;
    http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=428
    very nice!!
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    touchme.imdicktouchme.imdick Posts: 90
    He doesn't seem to have a problem playing it live.
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    mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    WhynotSweden wrote:
    Empty Glass wrote:
    I know he didn't want it released as a single. As far as calling stations and asking them not to play it, don't know
    Well, I got this one;
    http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=428

    what a find!!
    the jacket and disc both have written
    "Promotional use only - not for resale"
    but at some point some body was using single discs of black for promotion
    I read somewhere that Ed was so fucking mad and didn't sing it for years.
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
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    jshinjshin Posts: 1,759
    I heard that Eddie kicked Dave out of PJ for whistling the DoDoDoDoDootyDooo part one too many times....and for rocking the shit out of a drum kit.
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    WhyNotSwedenWhyNotSweden Sweden Posts: 4,266
    lettinggo wrote:
    what a find!!
    the jacket and disc both have written
    "Promotional use only - not for resale"
    but at some point some body was using single discs of black for promotion
    I read somewhere that Ed was so fucking mad and didn't sing it for years.

    Maybe I should bring my Black cd promo next time ill se PJ and try to get it signed by ED;)

    http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=428
    -95, Stockholm (MirrorBall Tour)
    -00, Stockholm
    -07, Copenhagen
    -09, Berlin
    -10, Berlin
    -11, East Troy 1+2
    -12, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen, EV London 2
    -13, London, Chicago
    -14, Amsterdam 1+2, Berlin, Stockholm, Oslo
    -16, TOTD San Francisco 1+2
    -17, EV Amsterdam 2+3
    -18, Amsterdam 1+2, London 1+(2), Barcelona, London 2
    -19, EV Brussels

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    PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,592
    riddled with metaphors wrote:
    From what I understand, Black was written about Stefanie Sargent who was a guitarist in Seven Year Bitch. She died after suffocating on her own vomit from drinking and taking heroin. I'm not sure how much truth there is to this or if she was Ed's girlfriend at the time or whatnot. Ed doesn't talk about it for obvious reasons whatever they are. The song speaks volumes of the pain he went through.


    I've listened to Black since 1992 and never knew this to be a possible motivation for the lyrics. But it could make sense..as she died in June 1992 in Seattle. The opening lyrics..sheets of empty canvas..untouched sheets of clay..were laid spread out before me as her body once did..could refer to the body bag made of canvas covering her body and the clay heroin that was yet to be lit..

    As far as the original topic..Eddie did say he didn't like the song to be overplayed because it was so personal and stopped it from being a single much to Sony Music's chagrin. This is from the 1993 Cameron Crowe Rolling Stone interview.

    "And one night, while sitting out on a deserted coastal sand bluff, contemplating life after the death of a friend, guitarist Stefanie Sargent of 7 Year Bitch, he heard strange voices coming from the hill behind him. They were singing "Black," the fragile song that to Vedder had come to symbolize the overcommercialization of the band. He'd fought to keep it from getting overplayed, didn't want a video made of the song. Vedder hiked out of the bushes to ask the surprised hikers not to sing the song. Months later, he still remembers their odd and concerned looks as they faced the angst-filled author of the song. "
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    touchme.imdick wrote:
    He doesn't seem to have a problem playing it live.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzGCIeUkUE
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    touchme.imdick wrote:
    He doesn't seem to have a problem playing it live.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzGCIeUkUE


    wow. first time to hear/see that. thanks for sharing.
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    mfc2006 wrote:
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    touchme.imdick wrote:
    He doesn't seem to have a problem playing it live.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzGCIeUkUE


    wow. first time to hear/see that. thanks for sharing.
    no problem dude, that could be my favorite video on youtube.
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    ForceofNature101ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,190
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    touchme.imdick wrote:
    He doesn't seem to have a problem playing it live.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzGCIeUkUE
    That is why I love Pearl Jam (especially this particular song)

    Eddie just sounds so heartfelt and genuine - how can you not moved by this performance?

    I love this version of Black especially
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    ForceofNature101 wrote:
    UnthoughtKelly wrote:
    touchme.imdick wrote:
    He doesn't seem to have a problem playing it live.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzGCIeUkUE
    That is why I love Pearl Jam (especially this particular song)

    Eddie just sounds so heartfelt and genuine - how can you not moved by this performance?

    I love this version of Black especially
    I agree. The power, energy, and emotion in this version is unmatched.
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    Strangest TribeStrangest Tribe Posts: 2,502
    here's Black being used in an ad... I wonder if they approved this?
    http://thestylerevolution.blogspot.com/ ... heets.html

    or is this just some blog crap
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    tinkerbelltinkerbell New Zealand Posts: 2,161
    Strangest Tribe wrote:
    here's Black being used in an ad... I wonder if they approved this?
    http://thestylerevolution.blogspot.com/ ... heets.html

    or is this just some blog crap
    :silent: :sick:
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    StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    Eddie has said of the song Black

    I'm sort of quoting but i probably have it a little bit wrong...twice I've heard him say something close to these two statements

    "This is the saddest song I know...all that's left is the pain"

    "Its personal, a relationship thing...I don't think I can ever explain what its all about"

    "...hope none of you can relate"

    he often tags black with "we belong together" which makes the whole thing just so much sadder

    I don't know what Ed was thinking of course when he wrote it, I do know he doesn't like other people to sing it...that's quite telling

    People will say that he doesn't like to sing it live so much, but its been played nearly 450 times since the first time at the Off Ramp in 1990...that's a lot of live! So, that's not holding water.
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    jo

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    cent208cent208 Posts: 435
    I met ed after a solo show in upper darby, pa last year. I asked him if black was based on real relationship or fictional. someone taped the coverasation and put it on youtube. the link is below. my question comes in at 2 minutes. if anybody wants a transcript of conversation let me know

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jAhS5VfFnw
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    pjtradekingpjtradeking Posts: 4,045
    PJammer4life wrote:
    riddled with metaphors wrote:
    From what I understand, Black was written about Stefanie Sargent who was a guitarist in Seven Year Bitch. She died after suffocating on her own vomit from drinking and taking heroin. I'm not sure how much truth there is to this or if she was Ed's girlfriend at the time or whatnot. Ed doesn't talk about it for obvious reasons whatever they are. The song speaks volumes of the pain he went through.


    I've listened to Black since 1992 and never knew this to be a possible motivation for the lyrics. But it could make sense..as she died in June 1992 in Seattle. The opening lyrics..sheets of empty canvas..untouched sheets of clay..were laid spread out before me as her body once did..could refer to the body bag made of canvas covering her body and the clay heroin that was yet to be lit..

    As far as the original topic..Eddie did say he didn't like the song to be overplayed because it was so personal and stopped it from being a single much to Sony Music's chagrin. This is from the 1993 Cameron Crowe Rolling Stone interview.

    "And one night, while sitting out on a deserted coastal sand bluff, contemplating life after the death of a friend, guitarist Stefanie Sargent of 7 Year Bitch, he heard strange voices coming from the hill behind him. They were singing "Black," the fragile song that to Vedder had come to symbolize the overcommercialization of the band. He'd fought to keep it from getting overplayed, didn't want a video made of the song. Vedder hiked out of the bushes to ask the surprised hikers not to sing the song. Months later, he still remembers their odd and concerned looks as they faced the angst-filled author of the song. "

    Black was written in 1990. So this could not be written for or about her.
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    EZ1221CEZ1221C Posts: 2,645
    I don't really like that station. I don't understand how they dictate what to play. They will play an awesome deep cut, like Glorified G, then rattle off eight or nine garbage songs in a row, but I digress. To the point, I have heard Black multiple times on that station and the DJ has never mentioned anything about it.
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    cent208 wrote:
    I met ed after a solo show in upper darby, pa last year. I asked him if black was based on real relationship or fictional. someone taped the coverasation and put it on youtube. the link is below. my question comes in at 2 minutes. if anybody wants a transcript of conversation let me know

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jAhS5VfFnw
    Damn, that was awesome. He is one cool customer. Actually, he transcends the word cool.
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    somestupidfuksomestupidfuk Posts: 60
    Thanks everyone for the input. I really appreciate it.

    --Keep on Rockin
    Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them." -- Albert Einstein

    10/31/09 Philly, 05/09/10 Cleveland
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    ForceofNature101ForceofNature101 Posts: 1,190
    cent208 wrote:
    I met ed after a solo show in upper darby, pa last year. I asked him if black was based on real relationship or fictional. someone taped the coverasation and put it on youtube. the link is below. my question comes in at 2 minutes. if anybody wants a transcript of conversation let me know

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jAhS5VfFnw
    Can I have a transcript?

    My speakers are blown out at the moment I I'm really interested as to what he said
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