Personal responsibility goes beyond being selfish, exclusive and 'insular'. Personal responsibility is also being part of humanity and understanding how we are as a collective and making this collective work. You seem to think that besides you and your family, all are lazy bastards trying to live off of 'your' money. Nothing that is not in your immediate control seems to be your responsibility (ie the planet, etc.). Not the way I have taught my kid. BTW.. your kids will never have to pay for my kid's rights (note: in this context, right has nothing to do with rite).
I still think you're trolling.
I don't get it either.
They don't draw the line at police, police are a "rite" as public servants.
Well, I don't wanna pay to protect someone else's lazy kids, who could have just taken aikido classes to defend themselves. GOTTA BE PREPARED!
well ... if you don't believe that climate change is caused by human activity - then you clearly are not accepting responsibility for your actions ...
Human activity is a cause, but it is not the only one, something easily ignored by those that use climate change as a tool to push their agendas.
Other cause include
* The sun and the amount of solar output
* Wobbles in the earths axis
* Volcanic and tectonic activity
* Sea level changes
Politically, climate change is about power change. Talking heads will argue with each other until they are blue in the face. The sad thing is that we should all be environmentally conscious and practice conservation, regardless of climate change debate.
The biggest problem with climate change is that certain groups use it as a fear-tactic in to push their agendas. It thus has become a polarizing issue.
I would say you could use it either way that both groups could use it as a fear tactic.
Support off shore drilling, because climate change is a lie!
I hear so many times. "oh climate change is a lie, so I can buy my big ass ford f150 and idle it for 3 hours"
Climate Change is an excuse. People choose whether to believe in a single facet of the world's environmental problems. As if dying seas and forests and brown smog isn't enough evidence for them to stop fucking up the planet.
Ignorance is bliss.
Ignorance is bliss.
Ignorance is bliss.
Exactly. "Certain Groups" was not implying just liberals groups. What we have now is both sides in a retarded stand-off.
Human activity is a cause, but it is not the only one, something easily ignored by those that use climate change as a tool to push their agendas.
Other cause include
* The sun and the amount of solar output
* Wobbles in the earths axis
* Volcanic and tectonic activity
* Sea level changes
Politically, climate change is about power change. Talking heads will argue with each other until they are blue in the face. The sad thing is that we should all be environmentally conscious and practice conservation, regardless of climate change debate.
sorry ... but all your causes have been studied and they can at best make up a marginal influence ... greenhouse gases are the main and primary cause of climate change right now ... and sea level changes ARE the result of climate change so not sure where you pulled that from ...
i do agree with your second point ... it's a shame that an issue that will result in the suffering of many people and animals (mostly life that find it difficult to fend for themselves) has become yet another ping pong in this global farce ...
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Being a layman in the field of meteorology, what was the previous record around this time in the year 1010, and what would have made it so damn hot back then?
I hope this dosent come to the US. We would be due for a Air Conditioning / air respirators reform and declare it a human rite, since people (especially poor) are dying from it.
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Okay... I'll bite...
So, let's say this DOES happen in the U.S.... you would be more concerned over money, than the lives of American citizens? You would rather have dead Americans, than having your taxes increased. What kind of American are you telling us you are? What kind of person are you describing yourself as?
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We can argue about climate change until we are blue in the face, but let's look at the optimistic side of things..
One day, the earth will be swallowed by our sun when it goes supernova and none of this will really matter. (We're also over due for a mass intinction causing asteroid.)
Preventing climate change is not about saving the planet. It's about saving us.. at least for a little while longer.
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Okay... I'll bite...
So, let's say this DOES happen in the U.S.... you would be more concerned over money, than the lives of American citizens? You would rather have dead Americans, than having your taxes increased. What kind of American are you telling us you are? What kind of person are you describing yourself as?
So instead of worrying about a society that is giving away free A/c Units, you would be wondering what kind of american I am??? The entitilement that you guys think people should get is mind-blowing. Are people not capable of using thier brains and deciding what is a need for them to survive??? Since people are dying of skin cancer should we give away free sunblock. Since people are dying from alcohol should we ban that. Why do you think punishing people who are responsible is a good thing. You call me selfish, whatever... People are capable of making decisions, you do know that right??? I am not concerned about money, I am concerned about a society that thinks this line of thinking is acceptable.
What entitlement are you referring too exactly? Cosmo just asked about your concern about your fellow citizens if a disaster type scenario occurred, which is what this is. You somehow twist it into handing out air conditioners and people's fending for themselves? You seem to be missing the point or projecting misguided things he isn't asking or commenting on.
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Okay... I'll bite...
So, let's say this DOES happen in the U.S.... you would be more concerned over money, than the lives of American citizens? You would rather have dead Americans, than having your taxes increased. What kind of American are you telling us you are? What kind of person are you describing yourself as?
So instead of worrying about a society that is giving away free A/c Units, you would be wondering what kind of american I am??? The entitilement that you guys think people should get is mind-blowing. Are people not capable of using thier brains and deciding what is a need for them to survive??? Since people are dying of skin cancer should we give away free sunblock. Since people are dying from alcohol should we ban that. Why do you think punishing people who are responsible is a good thing. You call me selfish, whatever... People are capable of making decisions, you do know that right??? I am not concerned about money, I am concerned about a society that thinks this line of thinking is acceptable.
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Being a layman in the field of meteorology, what was the previous record around this time in the year 1010, and what would have made it so damn hot back then?
i think you are baiting us into a tired argument presented by many climate skeptics which is the "earth has been around a long time and it goes through cycles" argument which has long been dismissed ...
this is initial primary concern regarding climate change:
By pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere - we are ARTIFICIALLY warming the planet. Temperature is the key driver of our climate in terms of weather patterns. We are therefore ARTIFICIALLY causing the planet to alter it's weather patterns. Immediate concerns include more extreme weather such as heat waves, floods, droughts, cold spells as the planet tries to compensate for the variance in temperatures not unlike your body does when it is cold or hot. The more long term effects include rising sea levels, less sea ice, extinction of animals, mass migration. A recent study has shown photoplankton to be down significant amounts in the worlds oceans - many marine life feed on photoplankton so without it the entire food chain is disrupted.
Anyways - this is all easily searched and read. If you so care.
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Preventing climate change is not about saving the planet. It's about saving us.. at least for a little while longer.
this i totally agree with. long after we cease to exist, the earth will be here, regenerating herself to sustain whatever lifeforms evolve. and this is what humans just dont get, be it through ignorance, arrogance or apathy... its not about saving the earth, its about saving ourselves. clearly not something were good at.
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Now they say the fire is nearing Chernobyl fallout areas which would bring radioactivity into the air.
So instead of worrying about a society that is giving away free A/c Units, you would be wondering what kind of american I am??? The entitilement that you guys think people should get is mind-blowing. Are people not capable of using thier brains and deciding what is a need for them to survive??? Since people are dying of skin cancer should we give away free sunblock. Since people are dying from alcohol should we ban that. Why do you think punishing people who are responsible is a good thing. You call me selfish, whatever... People are capable of making decisions, you do know that right??? I am not concerned about money, I am concerned about a society that thinks this line of thinking is acceptable.
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Hey... I'm just asking questions to clarify the things you are stating.
And YES... I am wondering... what type of American would rather have fellow Americans die in the heat, than provide them with air conditioning that would save their lives? Because of money. Who puts money ahead of people's lives? I'm not calling you selfish... you are doing a good job painting yourself in that light.
And I have no idea where you get this whole 'entitlement' thing from me... when i'm just asking you to clarify your comments. My guess... this entitlement thing is buried deep within your psyche, where it is fueled with hatred and you cannot let go of it... so, you attach it to everyone that disagrees or questions you. If I'm wrong... tell me where it comes from.
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And you say you are 'concerned' about people like me... who would rather have a person keep their life than worry about having my tax dollars 'wasted' on saving it? I would think you would be more concerned about a society that values money over the lives of its citizens... but, in your case... I guess I'm wrong.
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Hey... I'm just asking questions to clarify the things you are stating.
And YES... I am wondering... what type of American would rather have fellow Americans die in the heat, than provide them with air conditioning that would save their lives? Because of money. Who puts money ahead of people's lives? I'm not calling you selfish... you are doing a good job painting yourself in that light.
And I have no idea where you get this whole 'entitlement' thing from me... when i'm just asking you to clarify your comments. My guess... this entitlement thing is buried deep within your psyche, where it is fueled with hatred and you cannot let go of it... so, you attach it to everyone that disagrees or questions you. If I'm wrong... tell me where it comes from.
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And you say you are 'concerned' about people like me... who would rather have a person keep their life than worry about having my tax dollars 'wasted' on saving it? I would think you would be more concerned about a society that values money over the lives of its citizens... but, in your case... I guess I'm wrong.
Well first of the A/C thing was a joke, mocking the people who see everything as rights. If people need A/C to save their lifes in a disaster, then of course i would be all for helping them. , my statement was more of an everyday use, because it gets hot in the US. In fact I am probably the only person on this board whos family shared a house with some Hurricane Katrina victims. The entitlement thing comes from life perspectives, I live and travel through low low income areas, my wife works in inner city school. The effort by those communities to care about their education and the area where they live sickens me. Yet they live just as I do. I see the dish network satelites on the roofs, yet they have their kids window duct taped together. Its not hatred... Its disbelief. Its also disgusting to me that so many board members here think its ok to continual to give and give and so they aren't painted as selfish. Guess what... its the continual abuse of these systems and added luxuries that holds these poor people back. And your guys fix is just to give them what they want instead of showing them how to succeed by educational programs instead of cell phone programs.
Well first of the A/C thing was a joke, mocking the people who see everything as rights. If people need A/C to save their lifes in a disaster, then of course i would be all for helping them. , my statement was more of an everyday use, because it gets hot in the US. In fact I am probably the only person on this board whos family shared a house with some Hurricane Katrina victims. The entitlement thing comes from life perspectives, I live and travel through low low income areas, my wife works in inner city school. The effort by those communities to care about their education and the area where they live sickens me. Yet they live just as I do. I see the dish network satelites on the roofs, yet they have their kids window duct taped together. Its not hatred... Its disbelief. Its also disgusting to me that so many board members here think its ok to continual to give and give and so they aren't painted as selfish. Guess what... its the continual abuse of these systems and added luxuries that holds these poor people back. And your guys fix is just to give them what they want instead of showing them how to succeed by educational programs instead of cell phone programs.
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So... If you are so concerned about the abuses of the systems... AND you have personally witnessed these abuses... WHAT have you done about it? Have you reported these abuses to the authorities? Or do you cower from your duties as a taxpayer to end these abuses?
Also... no one here has EVER advocated the abuse of programs to help the poor. If anything, we despise the people who abuse the system because it takes the resources from the ones who really need it.
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Finally... your wife? And your name is Heidi? Not that there's anything wrong with it... I support your right to marry.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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No my wifes name is heidi... There is nothing I can do about it, because ifI did I would be labled as selfish...
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Oh... okay. That was just a curve ball I wasn't expecting. You kinda sounded more like a guy, but the name made me think, female. Glad that's settled.
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NOW... what about those abuses you witness? Did you report them and were those people punished?
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Also... just because a satellite dish is on the roof... don't mean it's getting any signals. Be it a house or a person.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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They don't draw the line at police, police are a "rite" as public servants.
Well, I don't wanna pay to protect someone else's lazy kids, who could have just taken aikido classes to defend themselves. GOTTA BE PREPARED!
Other cause include
* The sun and the amount of solar output
* Wobbles in the earths axis
* Volcanic and tectonic activity
* Sea level changes
Politically, climate change is about power change. Talking heads will argue with each other until they are blue in the face. The sad thing is that we should all be environmentally conscious and practice conservation, regardless of climate change debate.
sorry ... but all your causes have been studied and they can at best make up a marginal influence ... greenhouse gases are the main and primary cause of climate change right now ... and sea level changes ARE the result of climate change so not sure where you pulled that from ...
i do agree with your second point ... it's a shame that an issue that will result in the suffering of many people and animals (mostly life that find it difficult to fend for themselves) has become yet another ping pong in this global farce ...
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Okay... I'll bite...
So, let's say this DOES happen in the U.S.... you would be more concerned over money, than the lives of American citizens? You would rather have dead Americans, than having your taxes increased. What kind of American are you telling us you are? What kind of person are you describing yourself as?
Hail, Hail!!!
One day, the earth will be swallowed by our sun when it goes supernova and none of this will really matter. (We're also over due for a mass intinction causing asteroid.)
Preventing climate change is not about saving the planet. It's about saving us.. at least for a little while longer.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
i think you are baiting us into a tired argument presented by many climate skeptics which is the "earth has been around a long time and it goes through cycles" argument which has long been dismissed ...
this is initial primary concern regarding climate change:
By pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere - we are ARTIFICIALLY warming the planet. Temperature is the key driver of our climate in terms of weather patterns. We are therefore ARTIFICIALLY causing the planet to alter it's weather patterns. Immediate concerns include more extreme weather such as heat waves, floods, droughts, cold spells as the planet tries to compensate for the variance in temperatures not unlike your body does when it is cold or hot. The more long term effects include rising sea levels, less sea ice, extinction of animals, mass migration. A recent study has shown photoplankton to be down significant amounts in the worlds oceans - many marine life feed on photoplankton so without it the entire food chain is disrupted.
Anyways - this is all easily searched and read. If you so care.
this i totally agree with. long after we cease to exist, the earth will be here, regenerating herself to sustain whatever lifeforms evolve. and this is what humans just dont get, be it through ignorance, arrogance or apathy... its not about saving the earth, its about saving ourselves. clearly not something were good at.
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Hey... I'm just asking questions to clarify the things you are stating.
And YES... I am wondering... what type of American would rather have fellow Americans die in the heat, than provide them with air conditioning that would save their lives? Because of money. Who puts money ahead of people's lives? I'm not calling you selfish... you are doing a good job painting yourself in that light.
And I have no idea where you get this whole 'entitlement' thing from me... when i'm just asking you to clarify your comments. My guess... this entitlement thing is buried deep within your psyche, where it is fueled with hatred and you cannot let go of it... so, you attach it to everyone that disagrees or questions you. If I'm wrong... tell me where it comes from.
...
And you say you are 'concerned' about people like me... who would rather have a person keep their life than worry about having my tax dollars 'wasted' on saving it? I would think you would be more concerned about a society that values money over the lives of its citizens... but, in your case... I guess I'm wrong.
Hail, Hail!!!
So... If you are so concerned about the abuses of the systems... AND you have personally witnessed these abuses... WHAT have you done about it? Have you reported these abuses to the authorities? Or do you cower from your duties as a taxpayer to end these abuses?
Also... no one here has EVER advocated the abuse of programs to help the poor. If anything, we despise the people who abuse the system because it takes the resources from the ones who really need it.
...
Finally... your wife? And your name is Heidi? Not that there's anything wrong with it... I support your right to marry.
Hail, Hail!!!
Oh... okay. That was just a curve ball I wasn't expecting. You kinda sounded more like a guy, but the name made me think, female. Glad that's settled.
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NOW... what about those abuses you witness? Did you report them and were those people punished?
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Also... just because a satellite dish is on the roof... don't mean it's getting any signals. Be it a house or a person.
Hail, Hail!!!