Stats canada and crime and punishment
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http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/0 ... l-day.html
this kind of reminds me of "drilling for fear makes the job simple" my question is: if crime goes unreported why do we need more prisons.
this kind of reminds me of "drilling for fear makes the job simple" my question is: if crime goes unreported why do we need more prisons.
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i didnt read the whole article but,
are they suggesting if they build more prisons more people will report crimes?
"if you build it they will call" ?
Let me get this straight. The Canadian government poopoos their own crime stats in exchange for "indications they have received" in forming public policy?
It is probably true that much crime goes unreported, but how in heck do they know that it's rising? Unreported means no numbers and no possible comparison. And speaking from a statistics point of view, when you have an incomplete indicator on something (like crime stats), you have no reason to suspect otherwise than that whats reported and not remains at roughly the same proportions. Unless you have survey numbers or something that indicates that more goes unreported, and further that this increase in unreported crime exceeds the drop in reported crime.
Also, those surveys better be solid, cause crime stats like all public stats are pretty robust numbers that don't change quickly. Speaking as someone who works daily with official labour statistics.
Sounds like classic rightwing "tough on crime" pandering. Unluckily for them, they can't show an increase in crime to justify it, so they go with vague "I have been told by someone I trust".
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Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
what i don't understand is why the Canadian public are not talking more about all these issues with Stats canada.
because the 65% who don't like the cons are beyond exasperation and the 35% who support them will support them regardless ...
beyond their latest ridiculous decisions - they have essentially done nothing while in power for 4 years except put us into a huge debt ... i know the con supporters are gonna blame the financial crisis but cutting taxes and essentially burning our surplus put us there way faster ...
They'll blindly support the cons no matter what just because the Harper family goes to Church every Sunday. I know someone like this. If you say anything against the current government she actually takes it like you've personally attacked her. She loves Stephen Harper more than anything. Its sad.
Maybe if Canadians actually voted.
I laughed when that girl said "Canada" has spoken. Canada has hardly spoken with that voter turnout.
well ... the truth is tho that the cons are in a great position because the opposition is weak ... ignatief is showing himself to just be towing the old boys network that ran the gov't under chretien ... nobody will vote layton into power because most people aren't even remotely progressive in this country like they think they are ...
soo ... really, the choices are limited here ... i think stephane dion would have been a good pm and put us on track ... but voters aren't interested in looking at facts or digging deep - soundbytes and negative attack ads work far too well here ...
No body votes period! Its all the small town ridings that win - most of which are conservative.
If people were as "progressive" as they think they are, they'd utilize their right to vote.
During the federal election of all the people I asked in my university classes I only spoke to one person who was keen on voting. :roll:
When asked in January which issue the government should focus on most, only one per cent of people answered crime.
The top answers were the economy and the recession, jobs and health care.
The telephone survey of 1,500 people was conducted by the Finance Department as it prepared to release the federal budget.
The Tories have made crime a top priority, even with statistics showing that offences have been steadily declining for two decades.
The government insists crime is a big issue for Canadians and says too many crimes still go unreported.
(www.ctv.ca)
we need to introduce some sort of proportional representation ...
and yes, there is really no one to vote for other than Harper. I didn't vote for him, but the other 16 or so parties have not a leader at this point. Harper will be in power as long as he can stop from shooting himself in the foot, cause no one's going to beat him at this point. all the other candidates are weak to say the least.
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from the last poll that i saw, the liberals and the cons are tied. I am also hearing that many conservatives are unhappy at Harper for not being able to get a majority considering how weak the opposition is. what the liberals have to do is exactly what the cons did and that is join up. there are 3 "liberal" parties and only 1 conservative party. the 3 liberal parties split the vote and hence lose.
i am very progressive and i would never vote for layton. i just hate that guy. before he was elected leader i always voted NDP but I have not voted NDP since he joined. Michael would be a great leader and would be the leader in my opinion if Canadians were not so stupid.
OUCH that's a tad harsh, don'tcha think? I think they just don't have much choice out there, and they are afraid of that.
Kinda the same reason GWB got voted in twice (well, once, the second time). That didn't mean the majority of Americans were stupid, did it?
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Most of my normal news sources don't cover Canadian news much at all; they tend to focus on international and american news/politics.
I'm far from apathetic, but I do tend to miss out on a lot of opportunities to contribute to the national debate because I either didn't know there was one going on, or I feel too uninformed to participate.
I rarely watch tv and I might as well just do so if I'm going to get my news from CTV or CBC's websites...soooo....Can any of you recommend any political news sites or blogs that focus on Canadian issues? Any and all slants or biases are welcome...
one if the main issues that people state about Michael is that people don't feel that he is Canadian. do you know why because he was a teacher at Harvard for decades. so many people didn't base their disagreement with his ideas but with the fact that he has not lived in Canada all his life. that is stupid, would you not say?
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don't worry, no-one really cares about Canadian politics. its too bad because just like the CFL is fun to watch more than the NFL so to is Canadian politics to American politics.
here us a cool website that breaks down blogs into political parties.
http://www.bloggingcanadians.ca/canadia ... cal-blogs/
really interesting.
one if the main issues that people state about Michael is that people don't feel that he is Canadian. do you know why because he was a teacher at Harvard for decades. so many people didn't base their disagreement with his ideas but with the fact that he has not lived in Canada all his life. that is stupid, would you not say?[/quote][/quote]
agreed :oops:
TOTALLY!
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Is that their issue? If not, and it's simple geography, that's assanine. I wouldn't care if someone from Zimbabwe was running for PM, as long as they understood the culture and weren't taking the country in some radically new direction, I'd be fine with it.
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great another CFL fan!!!!!!!!!!!!
in my opinion and many others what it stems from is that many Canadians lack confidence and are afraid of Americans. Harper had a slogan about Michael and it was "just visiting". basically saying that Michael was in fact American and not Canadian. in reality, it is Harper who has sold our beliefs to America and wants Canada to become more American.
harper sold us out to america concerning the soft wood issue costing us billions. issues around abuse of prisoners.
Yeah, Harper seemed like he was becoming GWB's chum there for a while. I found it pretty disturbing.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL76A5jUq1k
ARGOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I like how they have a section titled ‘non-partisan’, which contains links to blogs with titles like “Can We Trust Stephen Harper”, “Nobody Likes Michael Ignatieff”, and “Alberta: Get Rich or Die Trying”
What a load of bologna. And a good waste of money :roll:
so frustrating!! ... :twisted:
http://www.cbc.ca/politics/insidepoliti ... ttack.html
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/08/ ... eliak.html
again - this is how he is supporting his base ... apparently if you do your job too good - you will most likely get fired ... anyhoo - the conservative base is strong ...