People who are ALWAYS the victim

Chip McFlenniganChip McFlennigan Posts: 1,162
edited August 2010 in All Encompassing Trip
piss me off.

Have an acquaintance who got a DUI last night. Now, it's the cops' fault and they're a bunch of jerks. Uh, try again, idiot, you blew a .19 and everyone told you not to drive.

I'm tired of people passing the buck.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    edited July 2010
    was that his BAC or IQ?
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Drinking and Driving is retarded in this day in age, i've never done it and never will, however, a .19 is not excautly drunk, cops are assholes!, they could have escorted her home and left it at that. But NO, they need to arrest and press charges, NOT because it's the right thing to do or because there concerned about the saftey of others or teaching her a lesson, but for there own personal arrest records, they know what looks good and gets you noticed with the bosses. Cops 30 years ago weren't aware of such professional considerations, they inforced the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. The legal limit in Jersey is .08, or 1 drink, so she had 3. if you have 2 beers in Jersey, and get in a car your breaking the law, this is a trap, nothing more. She's right.
  • BinFrogBinFrog Posts: 7,309
    .19 is pretty much buzzed if not more so. Why push it?

    She knows the law and she blew over twice the legal limit...and the cops should have chilled out and escorted her home? BS.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Yes maybe your right, but when's the last time you heard a story of someone who broke the legal word of the law and got a break from the police? but in 70's and 80's and i'm sure before that, there was a different mindset with police, now its all, I GOT YA!!!
  • KO23 wrote:
    Drinking and Driving is retarded in this day in age, i've never done it and never will, however, a .19 is not excautly drunk, cops are assholes!, they could have escorted her home and left it at that. But NO, they need to arrest and press charges, NOT because it's the right thing to do or because there concerned about the saftey of others or teaching her a lesson, but for there own personal arrest records, they know what looks good and gets you noticed with the bosses. Cops 30 years ago weren't aware of such professional considerations, they inforced the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. The legal limit in Jersey is .08, or 1 drink, so she had 3. if you have 2 beers in Jersey, and get in a car your breaking the law, this is a trap, nothing more. She's right.

    I dunno where you got your info from, but, you're way off. .08 is not "one drink." For a 200-pound male (which is the person we're talking about), 5 beers in a span of 2 hours will get your BAC to .08. Since this particular gentleman was drinking with us for between 3 and 4 hours, he had to have had an excessive number of drinks.

    He was fairly wasted when he left but, in my crippled state, I was unable to physically restrain him and, none of the girls there could've stopped him.

    Whatever, I'm just glad he didn't kill anyone. But also, no, it's not a good idea for the cops to let people like that just go. I've been on scenes where drunk drivers have caused bad accidents. Christmas Eve 2008 I pulled a little girl out of a car right over her dead parents' bodies. The person that hit their car was driving drunk. Anyone driving home at a .19 should be punched in the teeth, which I may have done had I been able to walk last night.
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  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    Not to sound like I am a hundred but in this day and age there is NO excuse for drinking and driving!! :evil:

    I agree though...some people are just always the "victim". :roll:
  • People playing the victim is getting old.

    Like when a guy date rapes a girl because "she didn't say stop." How was he supposed to know? Right? Poor rapist.

    Society is taking a plunge.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    i Googled it Johnny, i blame Google. But i'll take your word over it, perhaps my experiances, and those of the people in my life have left me suspicious of authority, but you paint a pretty ugly picture of this individule, so i retract my statement. ive had a few personal experiances with jersey cops in my life, they werent fun. :D
  • Cops are okay. It's the Firefighters who you need to look out for.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Cops are okay. It's the Firefighters who you need to look out for.

    Now those are real hero's, i watched a firefighter stand on a 5 story roof once with half of it gone and flames coming out the other half for 20 minutes with a hose, just him and his partner until they put the sucker out, craziest shit i've ever scene. balls straight up balls.
  • KO23 wrote:
    Cops are okay. It's the Firefighters who you need to look out for.

    Now those are real hero's, i watched a firefighter stand on a 5 story roof once with half of it gone and flames coming out the other half for 20 minutes with a hose, just him and his partner until they put the sucker out, craziest shit i've ever scene. balls straight up balls.

    Psh, sounds like a couple of losers to me.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    KO23 wrote:
    Cops are okay. It's the Firefighters who you need to look out for.

    Now those are real hero's, i watched a firefighter stand on a 5 story roof once with half of it gone and flames coming out the other half for 20 minutes with a hose, just him and his partner until they put the sucker out, craziest shit i've ever scene. balls straight up balls.

    Psh, sounds like a couple of losers to me.

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    Not to sound like I am a hundred but in this day and age there is NO excuse for drinking and driving!! :evil:

    I agree though...some people are just always the "victim". :roll:

    what do you call drinking and driving????
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  • small town becksmall town beck Posts: 6,691
    Not to sound like I am a hundred but in this day and age there is NO excuse for drinking and driving!! :evil:

    I agree though...some people are just always the "victim". :roll:

    what do you call drinking and driving????

    ??

    I call it a crime and a really shitty choice.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    edited August 2010
    Not to sound like I am a hundred but in this day and age there is NO excuse for drinking and driving!! :evil:

    I agree though...some people are just always the "victim". :roll:

    what do you call drinking and driving????

    ??

    I call it a crime and a really shitty choice.

    see heres my issue... i know i can see a band and over the course of 3 hours have a couple of drinks and know that when on the very rare occasion that i drive that not only am i legally able to drive but am in total control of my faculties. so once again i ask.. what do you call drinking and driving??.. cause according to you i will have committed a crime in doing so.
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  • neilybabes86neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    one of my best friend s was run over and killed 1 1/2 years ago by a drunk driver...they're alll assholes
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    one of my best friend s was run over and killed 1 1/2 years ago by a drunk driver...they're alll assholes

    well true enough. one shouldnt drive drunk. thats why its a crime.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    Sorry Neil, even when i was tryin before to make a point before, i knew there would be somebody on here who had been affected by a drunk driver, just not a fan of cops. i smoked half a j and drove 6 blocks to a dairy queen once, empty roads, knew right there and then i would never do that again. scary.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I agree police are way different than when I was young. The laws tougher, the system bigger, the basic fact that it is all about the money. We did catch a break a few years ago visiting our hometown though.
    We were in a rental car with Texas plates, not that of our home state. It was a Sunday evening about 10pm
    We had been out trying to find dinner, stopping at 2 places to find out food was done for the night. Had a wine at each then found a wonderful pizzeria, for appetizer, a bottle of wine and pizza.
    Husband was over the legal limit, which is quite low but he was not inebriated. The legal limit being about the same as the distraction of a cell phone I hear. We made our way back to the hotel via scenic route not the freeway. We got pulled over, not sure why because he was going the speed limit and not swaying.
    They did the whole check, found out we were locals back home visiting his elderly mother, husband passed the field sobriety test and they wanted me to drive the car to the hotel only about 2 miles. This funny cause I drink more than he does and of course I too was over.
    The officers, one took our car and parked it so we could retrieve in the morning the other took us to the hotel. I tried to give him my delicious smelling pizza leftovers but he would not take them, just our numerous thank you's.
    Husband would have been in so much trouble with his ma if things had gone different, something perhaps they could relate to. Moral is, there are some very nice policemen still who will give you a break if they can, its just not often in their power to.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,029
    KO23 wrote:
    Drinking and Driving is retarded in this day in age, i've never done it and never will, however, a .19 is not excautly drunk, cops are assholes!, they could have escorted her home and left it at that. But NO, they need to arrest and press charges, NOT because it's the right thing to do or because there concerned about the saftey of others or teaching her a lesson, but for there own personal arrest records, they know what looks good and gets you noticed with the bosses. Cops 30 years ago weren't aware of such professional considerations, they inforced the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law. The legal limit in Jersey is .08, or 1 drink, so she had 3. if you have 2 beers in Jersey, and get in a car your breaking the law, this is a trap, nothing more. She's right.
    check ypour estimantes KO. 1 drink = .02.
    The body processes approximately 1 drink per hour. she was hammered.

    I was arrested 12 years ago with a .176. And I'm an alcoholic. At 5' 11: 195 lbs , I was hammered.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    the first site i googled lead me to beleive differently, i get it now.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    edited August 2010
    piss me off.

    Have an acquaintance who got a DUI last night. Now, it's the cops' fault and they're a bunch of jerks. Uh, try again, idiot, you blew a .19 and everyone told you not to drive.

    I'm tired of people passing the buck.
    .19 is ridiculous. That's like a dozen beers.. I'll drive close to .08 and take the risk, but I use good judgement on how physically impaired I am.

    I once blew a .085 and got let go. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I passed all of the physical tests and was extremely cooperative with the police. From then on, if I think I have more than 3 or 4 beers still in my system, I don't drive anymore.

    Your acquaintance should be in jail.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    KO23 wrote:
    Drinking and Driving is retarded in this day in age, i've never done it and never will, however, a .19 is not excautly drunk, cops are assholes!,


    .19 is EXTREMELY drunk. I blew a .085 after 7 beers over a 3 hour drinking span. .19 would be like if I had 14+ beers in that same span.
  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,801
    piss me off.

    Have an acquaintance who got a DUI last night. Now, it's the cops' fault and they're a bunch of jerks. Uh, try again, idiot, you blew a .19 and everyone told you not to drive.

    I'm tired of people passing the buck.
    .19 is ridiculous. That's like a dozen beers.. I'll drive close to .08 and take the risk, but I use good judgement on how physically impaired I am.

    I once blew a .085 and got let go. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I passed all of the physical tests and was extremely cooperative with the police. From then on, if I think I have more than 3 or 4 beers still in my system, I don't drive anymore.

    You're acquaintance should be in jail.

    I hate to say but you're gonna get a dwi one day..... Your logic is flat out you playing mind games with yourself

    leave the car at home
  • .19 is hammered. That's roughly 12 drinks in 3 hours
  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    .19 is ridiculous. That's like a dozen beers.. I'll drive close to .08 and take the risk, but I use good judgement on how physically impaired I am.

    I once blew a .085 and got let go. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I passed all of the physical tests and was extremely cooperative with the police. From then on, if I think I have more than 3 or 4 beers still in my system, I don't drive anymore.

    You're acquaintance should be in jail.

    Blew a .092 last year and got nailed. Passed all the tests and was cooperative with the police and spent the night in jail.
    Since then I don't even put myself in a position to be in a place where I'm drinking and might have to drive. I just can't afford to get another one.
    But to address the issue the OP brought up, when I got my DUI, I felt like the police could have let me go or escorted me home or whatever, and for the first few days there was a feeling like I got railroaded (there was some shady stuff that happened when I was pulled over, IE- the police were staked out in a church parking lot at 2 a.m. in a 25 mph zone that is known as a speed trap, but strangely enough they weren't prepared to make a DD stop. So after they pulled me over, I had to wait almost an hour for them to get a breathalizer machine out to where we were. My feeling was that had they gave me the test when I had been pulled over, as per the law in Michigan, I wouldn't have blown as high. But who knows. There were also some weird things on the police report, like the police said I failed all of the sobriety tests, yet the in-car video clearly shows me passing them. The officer also said I was slurring my speech in the police report, yet in all the audio you can hear, I'm speaking clearly) Despite all that, after the first few days I realized that had I just called a cab or a friend, I never would have put myself in the position to get in trouble. Had I made a better decision, I could have saved myself a lot of time, money and aggravation.
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  • comebackgirlcomebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    You can get charged with a DUI even if you're under the legal limit...if you have demonstrated bad driving of some kind. One of my students got stopped making an illegal turn on red...blew a .03 and got charged. I think she contested it...not sure of the outcome...but really not worth it IMO. Better just to have a non-drinking driver all together.
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  • milarsomilarso Posts: 1,280
    You can get charged with a DUI even if you're under the legal limit...if you have demonstrated bad driving of some kind. One of my students got stopped making an illegal turn on red...blew a .03 and got charged. I think she contested it...not sure of the outcome...but really not worth it IMO. Better just to have a non-drinking driver all together.

    In Michigan that is true, but it's not the same charge as a DUI. And, according to my attorney, it is very rare that a judge will uphold an alcohol related driving offense when the person is below the legal limit. That doesn't mean the person won't be charged with reckless driving or something similar, but alcohol related driving charges have so much baggage that come along with them...
    But I wholeheartedly agree with you. As someone who has been through it, it's not worth it. Make other plans or ride a bike or walk. Don't drive.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    CROJAM95 wrote:
    piss me off.

    Have an acquaintance who got a DUI last night. Now, it's the cops' fault and they're a bunch of jerks. Uh, try again, idiot, you blew a .19 and everyone told you not to drive.

    I'm tired of people passing the buck.
    .19 is ridiculous. That's like a dozen beers.. I'll drive close to .08 and take the risk, but I use good judgement on how physically impaired I am.

    I once blew a .085 and got let go. I was EXTREMELY lucky. I passed all of the physical tests and was extremely cooperative with the police. From then on, if I think I have more than 3 or 4 beers still in my system, I don't drive anymore.

    You're acquaintance should be in jail.

    I hate to say but you're gonna get a dwi one day..... Your logic is flat out you playing mind games with yourself

    leave the car at home
    Like I said, I don't drive if I feel like more than a few drinks are in my system. That .085 I blew was probably one of the more intoxicated times I've driven. I've been more effected by driving with lack of sleep than ever with alcohol.. But as someone mentioned, I'm sure they could get me for something even with just a few drinks in me and for that reason, if I know I had a drink, I make sure I obey every road law carefully.
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