I love Weiner....

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  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    maybe we need to remind all our members of congress and senate, that when they vote on any bill they are no longer republicans or democrats. they are there to vote the consciences of the people they represent.


    it's not a game. stop messing with peoples lives.


    Exactly......the people they REPRESENT. Americans....not ILLEGALS!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    maybe we need to remind all our members of congress and senate, that when they vote on any bill they are no longer republicans or democrats. they are there to vote the consciences of the people they represent.


    it's not a game. stop messing with peoples lives.


    Exactly......the people they REPRESENT. Americans....not ILLEGALS!
    i'm sorry, to clarify m prior post, when drafting the bill the REPUBLICANS wanted to put that provision to deny any kind of funding for illegals in the bill but the dems would not let them because that provision has nothing to do with helping the 9/11 workers. so all but 12 of the gop senators cried like little babies and voted against that bill because the dems would not let them put that provision in there. they should have just voted yes on that bill and took up that fight in a different debate....the senators in the gop are nothing but a bunch of self serving assholes that are making political theater out of people's lives and i hope every one of them suffers at the ballot box because of it. not every issue or bill or vote has to have a provision in it against illegal immigrants....and the hypocrite peter king who was so against this bill actually voted in favor of it....idiot....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    unsung wrote:
    So they suspended rules to try to pass this? I'm on my phone and news is limited, someone please explain.
    no they did not suspend rules. they did not allow the gop to make ammendments, and when the majority party does that it takes 2/3 majority instead of simple majority to pass it. when you read what the gop was trying to do in this bill i would have denied them the right to tack that garbage provision onto this bill as well...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    TriumphantAngel wrote:
    maybe we need to remind all our members of congress and senate, that when they vote on any bill they are no longer republicans or democrats. they are there to vote the consciences of the people they represent.


    it's not a game. stop messing with peoples lives.


    Exactly......the people they REPRESENT. Americans....not ILLEGALS!
    i'm sorry, to clarify m prior post, when drafting the bill the REPUBLICANS wanted to put that provision to deny any kind of funding for illegals in the bill but the dems would not let them because that provision has nothing to do with helping the 9/11 workers. so all but 12 of the gop senators cried like little babies and voted against that bill because the dems would not let them put that provision in there. they should have just voted yes on that bill and took up that fight in a different debate....the senators in the gop are nothing but a bunch of self serving assholes that are making political theater out of people's lives and i hope every one of them suffers at the ballot box because of it. not every issue or bill or vote has to have a provision in it against illegal immigrants....and the hypocrite peter king who was so against this bill actually voted in favor of it....idiot....


    Right....but if they wanted to put that provision in there maybe the bill had loopholes in the way it was written to help illegals, which democrats always try to do. I don't know, I haven't read the bill.

    There are two sides to every story, I doubt very much that the republicans just shrugged and said fuck them. If so then yes, it will hurt them at the ballot box.
  • Jeanwah
    Jeanwah Posts: 6,363
    This Weiner guy needs to team up with Kucinich.

    Why aren't there more people in politics like this? To actually DEFEND the people of this country? The entire point of being in politics? I say all politicians deserve to be paid minimum wage to realize why the hell they're representing us to begin with. If they don't like being paid minimum wage, then get the hell out of office. Republicans (and most Dems,too) deserve nothing more than minimum wage for their self-serving ways.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    So I'm for helping out the 9/11 workers. Period.


    However why won't Democrats simply deny citizen taxpayer dollars to illegal aliens? Make them become citizens if they want assistance, just like millions have already done. Instead they want the easy way out.
  • murphyJammer
    murphyJammer Posts: 120
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    lesser of two evils....




    curious, what makes you believe that dems are the lesser of two evils. Who is more evil:

    The people that just want to spend spend spend while making the people believe it's all for a good cause and that it needs to be done OR ELSE. And then only about half the money gets spent and we have no idea what they do with the rest while they drive this country more and more and more and more into debt.

    OR, the people that vote against it while looking like the bad guy as if they do not care.

    I believe the second one. Up until today when I saw the topic at hand on the news anyway. These people deserve full blown free health care. pretty pissed off at the republican party. This could really hurt them....as it should. It's fucking disgarcefull to vote against a bill to help these people just because they do not want to agree on anything.



    Both parties are scum, neither of them give a fuck about any of us.
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  • SolarWorld
    SolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    murphyJammer wrote:
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    lesser of two evils....




    curious, what makes you believe that dems are the lesser of two evils. Who is more evil:

    The people that just want to spend spend spend while making the people believe it's all for a good cause and that it needs to be done OR ELSE. And then only about half the money gets spent and we have no idea what they do with the rest while they drive this country more and more and more and more into debt.

    OR, the people that vote against it while looking like the bad guy as if they do not care.

    I believe the second one. Up until today when I saw the topic at hand on the news anyway. These people deserve full blown free health care. pretty pissed off at the republican party. This could really hurt them....as it should. It's fucking disgarcefull to vote against a bill to help these people just because they do not want to agree on anything.



    Both parties are scum, neither of them give a fuck about any of us.

    Weiner and Greyson do.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    Weiner video showing some background on the issue he is fighting for. it doesn't go for long and it's a good watch.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4mh4sWF ... re=related
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    i'm confused as to what's happening here...weiner wants to set up a fund for health care for the people that worked at ground zero and now are sick from the air that they breathed and the republicans do not want to pay for any of those people if they were illegals?
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    final vote results

    http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll491.xml
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    norm wrote:
    i'm confused as to what's happening here...weiner wants to set up a fund for health care for the people that worked at ground zero and now are sick from the air that they breathed and the republicans do not want to pay for any of those people if they were illegals?
    no the gop wanted to put in a provision that no funding of any kind goes towards any people that are here illegally for any reason. the dems made a procedural move that the gop could not offer any ammendments to the bill, because all they do is use that procedure as a stalling tactic. the gop adds an ammendment then that gets debated. then before the vote they offer another ammendment that gets debated. what weiner is saying is they will offer all these ammendments in an effort to delay voting as long as possible and then still vote against the bill instead of just being for or against the bill and voting that way. as a result of keeping the gop from making ammendments they had to get a 2/3 majority instead of the simple majority, which they did not get.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    norm wrote:
    i'm confused as to what's happening here...weiner wants to set up a fund for health care for the people that worked at ground zero and now are sick from the air that they breathed and the republicans do not want to pay for any of those people if they were illegals?
    no the gop wanted to put in a provision that no funding of any kind goes towards any people that are here illegally for any reason. the dems made a procedural move that the gop could not offer any ammendments to the bill, because all they do is use that procedure as a stalling tactic. the gop adds an ammendment then that gets debated. then before the vote they offer another ammendment that gets debated. what weiner is saying is they will offer all these ammendments in an effort to delay voting as long as possible and then still vote against the bill instead of just being for or against the bill and voting that way. as a result of keeping the gop from making ammendments they had to get a 2/3 majority instead of the simple majority, which they did not get.

    ok i understood that originally but watching TriumphantAngel's video it seemed as though they were trying to block this 9/11 money from getting to any illegals who helped with rescue and recovery at ground zero

    either way, using amendments to block this money is a pretty sleazy move regardless of what party is doing it but seeing as how the republicans campaign on 9/11 (which is sleazy in it's own right) you would think they would want to pass this

    look, i want something to be done about illegal immigration but screwing the people who risked their lives and went to hell to try to save lives ain't one of them
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    The fact is the people risked their lives to help in one of the most tragic events in recent history... period. Who gives a fuck if they were legal, illegal, caucasian, latino, from Mexico, from Mars... who gives a damn! Their lives changed because they were brave enough to step in and help in a time of need...

    There should be no debate on this.
    Frankly I find it disgusting that it would take so long to pass something like this.
    But I guess in the healthcare-paranoia in your country its not too hard to understand.... :roll:
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  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Bottom line is it shouldn't have taken this long for the responders to get what they need.I wouldn't put anything past the dems right now. They will say anything to make the GOP look bad. I don't believe a damn thing they say bcos all they do is lie. Hannity made weiner look like a fool when he asked him if he had read the bill and he hadn't. If the bill was going to strictly help the responders I'm sure the GOP would have voted for it.
  • OnTheEdge
    OnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    haffajappa wrote:
    The fact is the people risked their lives to help in one of the most tragic events in recent history... period. Who gives a fuck if they were legal, illegal, caucasian, latino, from Mexico, from Mars... who gives a damn! Their lives changed because they were brave enough to step in and help in a time of need...

    There should be no debate on this.
    Frankly I find it disgusting that it would take so long to pass something like this.
    But I guess in the healthcare-paranoia in your country its not too hard to understand.... :roll:


    It's not paranoia. You have your way....high taxes, and we have our way.....less taxes.
  • TriumphantAngel
    TriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Bottom line is it shouldn't have taken this long for the responders to get what they need.I wouldn't put anything past the dems right now. They will say anything to make the GOP look bad. I don't believe a damn thing they say bcos all they do is lie. Hannity made weiner look like a fool when he asked him if he had read the bill and he hadn't. If the bill was going to strictly help the responders I'm sure the GOP would have voted for it.
    how can you defend the GOP?

    the 9-11 first responders health care bill should have been passed. it's that simple. the republicans wanted to add a illegal alien amendment to the bill. the democratic reps disagreed and offered a 2/3 majority to pass the bill without amendments. the rest is history.

    why didn't they just pass it? why use that as a platform to push their illegal alien agenda, the two are not connected.

    that is so wrong. i think they have gone too far this time. the GOP will alienate a lot of their supporters because of this. there's hundreds of thousands of responders employed throughout the Country, and although a lot of them were not directly involved with 9/11, they won't forget the way their comrades have been treated.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    There's a reason they didn't support this bill and I don't blame them. It's going to create a massive new entitlement program ,it's going to expose tax payers to increased litigation,and it's going to be paid for by tax increases.
    If the bll was strictly for the 911 rescuers and not filled with other bull shit put in by the dems I'm sure they would have voted for it. I'm not buying the fact that they couldn't find the money to pay for it with the 4 trillion dollar dollar budget that Obama passed without raising taxes. Just like the jobless benefits.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    prfctlefts wrote:
    There's a reason they didn't support this bill and I don't blame them. It's going to create a massive new entitlement program ,it's going to expose tax payers to increased litigation,and it's going to be paid for by tax increases.
    If the bll was strictly for the 911 rescuers and not filled with other bull shit put in by the dems I'm sure they would have voted for it. I'm not buying the fact that they couldn't find the money to pay for it with the 4 trillion dollar dollar budget that Obama passed without raising taxes. Just like the jobless benefits.
    how do you know this???

    are you basing that on fact, assumption, or a blog you might have read that defends the gop instead of calling them for what they are?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    haffajappa wrote:
    The fact is the people risked their lives to help in one of the most tragic events in recent history... period. Who gives a fuck if they were legal, illegal, caucasian, latino, from Mexico, from Mars... who gives a damn! Their lives changed because they were brave enough to step in and help in a time of need...

    There should be no debate on this.
    Frankly I find it disgusting that it would take so long to pass something like this.
    But I guess in the healthcare-paranoia in your country its not too hard to understand.... :roll:


    It's not paranoia. You have your way....high taxes, and we have our way.....less taxes.
    If you think we're taxed 40% (as some Americans on this board actually thought) we aren't.
    I'm not sure what the difference in taxes is between the US and Canada - and anyways you'd have to compare every state and province. And then every other country that has healthcare.

    I think is it Sweden or Norway? One of the countries in that area I've heard get taxed a boat load but has everything paid for - Health, Education, etc. ..Doesn't sound so bad.

    edit: "Canada's income tax system is more heavily biased against the highest income earners, thus while Canada's income tax rate is higher on average, the bottom fifty percent of the population is roughly taxed the same on income as in the United States."
    according to wiki anywyas
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