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  • Poncier
    Poncier Posts: 17,882
    I have a sad feeling that this is it for Rage. Hope I'm wrong.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    FAAAAAAAAAACK
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,059
    Motherfucker!
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    92% tear of the achilles? fuck me. dude just wants to walk again.

    but it also sounds as if they are once again a band with intentions on continuing?  anyone feel that too?
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    UGH
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    mickeyrat said:
    92% tear of the achilles? fuck me. dude just wants to walk again.

    but it also sounds as if they are once again a band with intentions on continuing?  anyone feel that too?
    I would say so. Hopefully a new album soon.
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  • mickeyrat said:
    92% tear of the achilles? fuck me. dude just wants to walk again.

    but it also sounds as if they are once again a band with intentions on continuing?  anyone feel that too?
    He says that in that letter.  That is promising.

    mickeyrat said:
    92% tear of the achilles? fuck me. dude just wants to walk again.

    but it also sounds as if they are once again a band with intentions on continuing?  anyone feel that too?
    I would say so. Hopefully a new album soon.
    I wonder about this though.  Zach hasn't written much content musically in almost 20 years.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,539
    Well, he'll have a lot of time to sit and write.

  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,539
    The reconciling comment is odd. Wonder what the issues were.


  • ZoSoTim
    ZoSoTim Posts: 1,278
    Poncier said:
    I have a sad feeling that this is it for Rage. Hope I'm wrong.
    Same. I flew up to Chicago to see them thankfully and was at the show where Zack got hurt. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    ZoSoTim said:
    Poncier said:
    I have a sad feeling that this is it for Rage. Hope I'm wrong.
    Same. I flew up to Chicago to see them thankfully and was at the show where Zack got hurt. 

    so its your fault.....
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  • mr bungle
    mr bungle Posts: 1,423
    Poncier said:
    I have a sad feeling that this is it for Rage. Hope I'm wrong.
    I hope your wrong also!..  The injury impacts his ability to perform the way he want to perform.  Not his relationship with the band, or his desire to continue whatever direction they were headed either in the studio or in their personal relationships.  I get the impression that RAGE is in a good place and this just delays the live shows even longer.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    so maybe Wilk as Foo drummer isn't so far fetched now
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited October 2022
    If he had an almost total rupture of his achilles, it should have been surgically repaired within 2 weeks of injury, no questions asked.  Not sure if that was ever disclosed or not.  

    The only time we dont repair achilles tendon ruptures is if the patient is older and has other medical issues going on.  If he had an almost total rupture that wasn't repaired, then yeah, not a great long term prognosis and not sure why anyone would have advised him against doing so.... which is sad, because relative to most things, repairing an achilles takes all of about 45 minutes and has generally great outcomes 6+ months down the road with some PT.  

    The 8% comment is strange as hell too.  MRI and ultrasound combined can't give you a quantifiable "% torn" to that precise of a number.  Usually would say something like 50%, 25% etc..... 
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited October 2022
    If he had an almost total rupture of his achilles, it should have been surgically repaired within 2 weeks of injury, no questions asked.  Not sure if that was ever disclosed or not.  

    The only time we dont repair achilles tendon ruptures is if the patient is older and has other medical issues going on.  If he had an almost total rupture that wasn't repaired, then yeah, not a great long term prognosis and not sure why anyone would have advised him against doing so.... which is sad, because relative to most things, repairing an achilles takes all of about 45 minutes and has generally great outcomes 6+ months down the road with some PT.  

    The 8% comment is strange as hell too.  MRI and ultrasound combined can't give you a quantifiable "% torn" to that precise of a number.  Usually would say something like 50%, 25% etc..... 

    with the way he was moving while seated, is it possible to have torn it more or fucked up a repair while in the boot?
    and what would pt look like and could it fit in with a tour schedule?

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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    edited October 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    If he had an almost total rupture of his achilles, it should have been surgically repaired within 2 weeks of injury, no questions asked.  Not sure if that was ever disclosed or not.  

    The only time we dont repair achilles tendon ruptures is if the patient is older and has other medical issues going on.  If he had an almost total rupture that wasn't repaired, then yeah, not a great long term prognosis and not sure why anyone would have advised him against doing so.... which is sad, because relative to most things, repairing an achilles takes all of about 45 minutes and has generally great outcomes 6+ months down the road with some PT.  

    The 8% comment is strange as hell too.  MRI and ultrasound combined can't give you a quantifiable "% torn" to that precise of a number.  Usually would say something like 50%, 25% etc..... 

    with the way he was moving while seated, is it possible to have torn it more or fucked up a repair while in the boot?
    I haven't been following the tour or seen much footage, but yeah, its not like its incredibly fragile most of the time, but not something you want to be stomping up and down even in a boot.  Usually after a repair, I tell people at least 6-8 weeks of complete and total non weight bearing, and thats at a minimum.  It's definitely possible to rip all of the sutures and "re-rupture" the tendon if you're putting weight on it right after surgery.

    If he was on stage, stomping on it and what not, then my guess is they tried to let it heal conservatively and "scar down."  If I ever tear my achilles, I cant imagine a scenario where I wouldn't want surgery, especially with an almost complete rupture.  
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  • mickeyrat
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    edited October 2022
    mickeyrat said:
    If he had an almost total rupture of his achilles, it should have been surgically repaired within 2 weeks of injury, no questions asked.  Not sure if that was ever disclosed or not.  

    The only time we dont repair achilles tendon ruptures is if the patient is older and has other medical issues going on.  If he had an almost total rupture that wasn't repaired, then yeah, not a great long term prognosis and not sure why anyone would have advised him against doing so.... which is sad, because relative to most things, repairing an achilles takes all of about 45 minutes and has generally great outcomes 6+ months down the road with some PT.  

    The 8% comment is strange as hell too.  MRI and ultrasound combined can't give you a quantifiable "% torn" to that precise of a number.  Usually would say something like 50%, 25% etc..... 

    with the way he was moving while seated, is it possible to have torn it more or fucked up a repair while in the boot?
    I haven't been following the tour or seen much footage, but yeah, its not like its incredibly fragile most of the time, but not something you want to be stomping up and down even in a boot.  Usually after a repair, I tell people at least 6-8 weeks of complete and total non weight bearing, and thats at a minimum.  It's definitely possible to rip all of the sutures and "re-rupture" the tendon if you're putting weight on it right after surgery.

    If he was on stage, stomping on it and what not, then my guess is they tried to let it heal conservatively and "scar down."  If I ever tear my achilles, I cant imagine a scenario where I wouldn't want surgery, especially with an almost complete rupture.  

    so he was seated the whole time from first show after initial injury to the final show at MSG BUT bringing such energy still he was lifting that leg often enough he may brought it down hard.

    it happened the first of two shows in Chicago. no days in between. right back at it for night 2 from a roadcase seat.

    btw it happened the second show of the tour...... didnt miss a date.
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  • Weston1283
    Weston1283 Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 5,015
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    If he had an almost total rupture of his achilles, it should have been surgically repaired within 2 weeks of injury, no questions asked.  Not sure if that was ever disclosed or not.  

    The only time we dont repair achilles tendon ruptures is if the patient is older and has other medical issues going on.  If he had an almost total rupture that wasn't repaired, then yeah, not a great long term prognosis and not sure why anyone would have advised him against doing so.... which is sad, because relative to most things, repairing an achilles takes all of about 45 minutes and has generally great outcomes 6+ months down the road with some PT.  

    The 8% comment is strange as hell too.  MRI and ultrasound combined can't give you a quantifiable "% torn" to that precise of a number.  Usually would say something like 50%, 25% etc..... 

    with the way he was moving while seated, is it possible to have torn it more or fucked up a repair while in the boot?
    I haven't been following the tour or seen much footage, but yeah, its not like its incredibly fragile most of the time, but not something you want to be stomping up and down even in a boot.  Usually after a repair, I tell people at least 6-8 weeks of complete and total non weight bearing, and thats at a minimum.  It's definitely possible to rip all of the sutures and "re-rupture" the tendon if you're putting weight on it right after surgery.

    If he was on stage, stomping on it and what not, then my guess is they tried to let it heal conservatively and "scar down."  If I ever tear my achilles, I cant imagine a scenario where I wouldn't want surgery, especially with an almost complete rupture.  

    so he was seated the whole time from first show after initial injury to the final show at MSG BUT bringing such energy still he was lifting that leg often enough he may brought it down hard.

    it happened the first of two shows in Chicago. no days in between. right back at it for night 2 from a roadcase seat.

    btw it happened the second show of the tour...... didnt miss a date.
    My guess then is no surgery, and now 3 months later is dealing with the consequences of that.  Probably has minimal function of that ankle.  With how much scar tissue that has likely developed, repair and surgery is exponentially more difficult now with a longer recovery and less positive of an outcome.  

    This is all just based on my experiences btw.  I am sure he has consulted with the highest of specialists much more experienced than I who have advised him to the best of their ability.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,370
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    If he had an almost total rupture of his achilles, it should have been surgically repaired within 2 weeks of injury, no questions asked.  Not sure if that was ever disclosed or not.  

    The only time we dont repair achilles tendon ruptures is if the patient is older and has other medical issues going on.  If he had an almost total rupture that wasn't repaired, then yeah, not a great long term prognosis and not sure why anyone would have advised him against doing so.... which is sad, because relative to most things, repairing an achilles takes all of about 45 minutes and has generally great outcomes 6+ months down the road with some PT.  

    The 8% comment is strange as hell too.  MRI and ultrasound combined can't give you a quantifiable "% torn" to that precise of a number.  Usually would say something like 50%, 25% etc..... 

    with the way he was moving while seated, is it possible to have torn it more or fucked up a repair while in the boot?
    I haven't been following the tour or seen much footage, but yeah, its not like its incredibly fragile most of the time, but not something you want to be stomping up and down even in a boot.  Usually after a repair, I tell people at least 6-8 weeks of complete and total non weight bearing, and thats at a minimum.  It's definitely possible to rip all of the sutures and "re-rupture" the tendon if you're putting weight on it right after surgery.

    If he was on stage, stomping on it and what not, then my guess is they tried to let it heal conservatively and "scar down."  If I ever tear my achilles, I cant imagine a scenario where I wouldn't want surgery, especially with an almost complete rupture.  

    so he was seated the whole time from first show after initial injury to the final show at MSG BUT bringing such energy still he was lifting that leg often enough he may brought it down hard.

    it happened the first of two shows in Chicago. no days in between. right back at it for night 2 from a roadcase seat.

    btw it happened the second show of the tour...... didnt miss a date.
    My guess then is no surgery, and now 3 months later is dealing with the consequences of that.  Probably has minimal function of that ankle.  With how much scar tissue that has likely developed, repair and surgery is exponentially more difficult now with a longer recovery and less positive of an outcome.  

    This is all just based on my experiences btw.  I am sure he has consulted with the highest of specialists much more experienced than I who have advised him to the best of their ability.

    no doubt.

    appreciate your insight.
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  • vant0037
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    mickeyrat said:
    92% tear of the achilles? fuck me. dude just wants to walk again.

    but it also sounds as if they are once again a band with intentions on continuing?  anyone feel that too?
    Sort of the opposite actually.  For a band who has in its history a breakup due to a “complete breakdown of our decision making process,” the word “reconciling” sticks out like a sore thumb. Also the phrasing “I have made the decision…”

    Sad for sure, but I don’t read this is a “we wish we could be back together” statement. 

    That said, I also get why they didn’t put everything into a holding pattern.  I could see them touring again like this, but I don’t think they’re doing anything as a band besides that anymore. 
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