In 1990... vinyl was a novelty. All you saw were CDs in the bins and very few LPs. Being from the past, I remember the opposite... when CDs were new novelties an LPs were everywhere.
Anyway, I bought 'vs.' when it came out... well, just because. I listened to the CD and used that to cut cassettes for the car. No skips, no scratches, no false starts. I opened the LPs because I liked looking at the larger liner notes and the smell of the new vinyl.
Anyway, i'd buy them as they'd come out for the list price. Then, it got to be a collection. So, i still pick them up.
I don't play them because my old 80s vintage turntable died. I have upgraded my stereo system for iPods and HDMI, but made sure it has a Phono input... I'll buy a turntable one of these days.
I don't care about monetary value because I am never going to sell them. i will probably will them to one of my Pearl Jam friends... if they out live me and are still Pearl Jam fans. I don't care what they do with them from there... mostly because i'll be dead.
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Just want to get a few people's opinions on this train of thought. And, saying that, it is a train of thought only, so no attacking (hahaha).
I buy vinyl ad want a few vinyl to acctually listen to. Not to buy them when they come out, keep them sealed, then sell them to someone in a few years for a ridiculous amount of money, which drives up the price for people like myself who want to enjoy the record and have no plans on hiding it away to again make money off it. Similarity to scalping, yes?!
I have a few "holy grail" items like the Epic release of "Live In Atlanta" (given to me by a sweet friend), Epic release of "Rarefied And Live" (won from Triple J radio), "Live On Two Legs"vinyl and the first pressings of "Vs" and "Vitalogy" on vinyl. All get played, a lot!
Now I want to try get a few of the albums i don't have, look on eBay, all priced well over $100, and what is annoying is they are all sealed and as new... meaning someone bought them to make money off them. Or if someone just happened to not getting around to playing it, they shoudl sell it for a price that represents inflation... $20 in 1996 should mean about $30 now, if not the same!
Same goes with poster collectors for the sake of storing and re-selling. Scalpers of a different kind. I have a few prints (every show I have been to), all framed and hanging on display. I bought the only one I didn't get personally at a show (Sydney 1998) from a dude who had it in a tube since then, for $400. It was my "holy grail" and completed my collection, so I paid it. But seriously... is this not scalping, and keeping things from fans who want to enjoy, look at, listen to a product from their favourite band?
I have seen on another thread, people buying multiple copies of "Amongst The Waves". If anyone can justify that to me besides wanting to make money by making it harder for people who want one to get one, go ahead. Even a completist collector only needs 1 copy of everything.
Thanks for listening!
What would you do if someone had an item for sale that originally cost $100, but was now only worth $50; would you insist on paying them their original cost of $100 so that they wouldn't be losing any money?
I'd keep it, or if I was so keen to sell it, I'd sell it for the $50. It's like buying a car... pretty well always go down in price.
PJ - Sydney 1998; Sydney 2003; Sydney, Melbourne, Newcastle 2006; Melbourne, Sydney 2009; Gold Coast, Melbourne, Sydney 2014.
EV - Canberra, Newcastle, Sydney 2011; Sydney 2014.
Just want to get a few people's opinions on this train of thought. And, saying that, it is a train of thought only, so no attacking (hahaha).
I buy vinyl ad want a few vinyl to acctually listen to. Not to buy them when they come out, keep them sealed, then sell them to someone in a few years for a ridiculous amount of money, which drives up the price for people like myself who want to enjoy the record and have no plans on hiding it away to again make money off it. Similarity to scalping, yes?!
I have a few "holy grail" items like the Epic release of "Live In Atlanta" (given to me by a sweet friend), Epic release of "Rarefied And Live" (won from Triple J radio), "Live On Two Legs"vinyl and the first pressings of "Vs" and "Vitalogy" on vinyl. All get played, a lot!
Now I want to try get a few of the albums i don't have, look on eBay, all priced well over $100, and what is annoying is they are all sealed and as new... meaning someone bought them to make money off them. Or if someone just happened to not getting around to playing it, they shoudl sell it for a price that represents inflation... $20 in 1996 should mean about $30 now, if not the same!
Same goes with poster collectors for the sake of storing and re-selling. Scalpers of a different kind. I have a few prints (every show I have been to), all framed and hanging on display. I bought the only one I didn't get personally at a show (Sydney 1998) from a dude who had it in a tube since then, for $400. It was my "holy grail" and completed my collection, so I paid it. But seriously... is this not scalping, and keeping things from fans who want to enjoy, look at, listen to a product from their favourite band?
I have seen on another thread, people buying multiple copies of "Amongst The Waves". If anyone can justify that to me besides wanting to make money by making it harder for people who want one to get one, go ahead. Even a completist collector only needs 1 copy of everything.
Thanks for listening!
What would you do if someone had an item for sale that originally cost $100, but was now only worth $50; would you insist on paying them their original cost of $100 so that they wouldn't be losing any money?
I'd keep it, or if I was so keen to sell it, I'd sell it for the $50. It's like buying a car... pretty well always go down in price.
I was asking what you would do as the buyer in the situation? If an album originally cost $100, but now, it is only worth $50 (even though it is brand new still in its wrapper), would you take advantage of the decline in market value, even if it meant the original buyer would suffer a loss?
I know that the above question was not directed at me, but their loss is my gain!! Supply and demand..or lackthereof in your scenario! Its business...kill or be killed...it is what it is with collecting...When I bought my stuff, I had every intention of keeping it for me and for a very long time..Now my situation has changed and I am going to try and make some $$ back where I can...No harm no foul....I will not twist anyones arm...I will set my prices based on the current market conditions and go from there...some I will take a loss on I'm sure and some I will not...
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I was asking what you would do as the buyer in the situation? If an album originally cost $100, but now, it is only worth $50 (even though it is brand new still in its wrapper), would you take advantage of the decline in market value, even if it meant the original buyer would suffer a loss?
excellent question. hadn't thought of it like that until now.
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just had a thought ...ok benny is everyones want vinyl...but why dont try and get the soldierfield instead.1/2 the price and way cooler if you ask me ..and only 500 pressed .so its collectable as hell..opps forgot your not collectors.
To me, scalping tickets is another issue altogether. That's putting a price on an experience. A performance. Something that you can't hold, or frame or relive. It's a one off. So I do think it's wrong to flog a ticket for excessive amounts of money because I believe that experience is essential to being a fan of a band.
It won't be the memorabilia you look back on, it'll be the memories of seeing the band.
Gotta disagree with this one. Flipping is scalping. Scalping is flipping. Buying something at a value, then advertising it to someone who obviously wants it, when you had no intention of using it in the first place.
the serialthrilla, I know you give stuff away and are a generous contributor, no questions. 13 just seemed a lot. As the creator of this thread, I even understand maybe having 2 copies, to use as trade or something like that. But imagine this... if the 2,000 copies of Benny wet to the 2,000 most frequent users of this forum, I very much doubt they would be going for $1,000+ at the moment, because those most passionate about them and their limited release, would have one.
So every collector of everything out there who goes on to sell something is scalping? That's absurd. And the fact that the rest of the English speaking world doesn't refer to those people as such backs me up.
"Advertising it to someone who obviously wants it"? What a concept...
Also you're fooling yourself with that statement about the Benny's and the foum users here. This message pit is a drop in the bucket of Pearl Jam lunacy.
Also you're fooling yourself with that statement about the Benny's and the foum users here. This message pit is a drop in the bucket of Pearl Jam lunacy.[/quote]
never a truer word spoken about the lunacy factor..also the most 10c member that use this forum the most are not always the biggest fans of the band .
Question:
HOW BECOME A "holy grail" TO A HOLY GRAIL ?
Since the beginning of the mankind, everybody wants what is "RARE", right ?
Isn't it a great feeling if you have one of just 200 or 300 prints on your wall ?
AND
isn't it a great feeling to have the first pressing record (of the Doors, Beatles, Stones and of course Pearl Jam) in your hand ?
I love this feeling, cause i am a collector of rare stuff.
What about you ?
Question:
HOW BECOME A "holy grail" TO A HOLY GRAIL ?
Since the beginning of the mankind, everybody wants what is "RARE", right ?
Isn't it a great feeling if you have one of just 200 or 300 prints on your wall ?
AND
isn't it a great feeling to have the first pressing record (of the Doors, Beatles, Stones and of course Pearl Jam) in your hand ?
I love this feeling, cause i am a collector of rare stuff.
What about you ?
your spot on (in my eyes)..but benny (also in my eyes) is not even rare 2000 of them plus a few band editions.
but soldier field vinyl/cd 500 of each is rare but again not that hard to get hold of..they come up on ebay every now and again.(at least twice a year if not more)
then to get a monkeywrench cd (ask pdalowsky hes been looking for 10 years) is a rare item and will set you back well over $1000 im guessing .if it even shows up 50 made.
also what about cd promos would you spend $250 on a one track cd with black on it..
pearl jam whiskey for $400
jam jars for god knows what
or that poster you must have ..
or a dutch jeremy 7"
collectors will collect and it send the price up.but the collector will normally find out about a cd or vinyl before others and own it before others.(unless its a 10c release).
so back to your main point..whats a holy grail..its something the person wants. but most are not real grails and they are easy to find if you have the cash.
I have to say , YES, i would spend this money for a item i am really want. I have done this so many times: CDs, posters , records ( and of course the DUTCH 7" of Jeremy)). Its a good feeling if prices go up and also a bad feeling if prices go down. And believe me, i know what i am talking about, i am close to all of the promo CDs. I spent a lot........and nobody wants CDs now. But thats the way....
I am not collect for selling, i collect for me and have fun ............
Question:
HOW BECOME A "holy grail" TO A HOLY GRAIL ?
Since the beginning of the mankind, everybody wants what is "RARE", right ?
Isn't it a great feeling if you have one of just 200 or 300 prints on your wall ?
AND
isn't it a great feeling to have the first pressing record (of the Doors, Beatles, Stones and of course Pearl Jam) in your hand ?
I love this feeling, cause i am a collector of rare stuff.
What about you ?
your spot on (in my eyes)..but benny (also in my eyes) is not even rare 2000 of them plus a few band editions.
but soldier field vinyl/cd 500 of each is rare but again not that hard to get hold of..they come up on ebay every now and again.(at least twice a year if not more)
then to get a monkeywrench cd (ask pdalowsky hes been looking for 10 years) is a rare item and will set you back well over $1000 im guessing .if it even shows up 50 made.
also what about cd promos would you spend $250 on a one track cd with black on it..
pearl jam whiskey for $400
jam jars for god knows what
or that poster you must have ..
or a dutch jeremy 7"
collectors will collect and it send the price up.but the collector will normally find out about a cd or vinyl before others and own it before others.(unless its a 10c release).
so back to your main point..whats a holy grail..its something the person wants. but most are not real grails and they are easy to find if you have the cash.
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Anyway, I bought 'vs.' when it came out... well, just because. I listened to the CD and used that to cut cassettes for the car. No skips, no scratches, no false starts. I opened the LPs because I liked looking at the larger liner notes and the smell of the new vinyl.
Anyway, i'd buy them as they'd come out for the list price. Then, it got to be a collection. So, i still pick them up.
I don't play them because my old 80s vintage turntable died. I have upgraded my stereo system for iPods and HDMI, but made sure it has a Phono input... I'll buy a turntable one of these days.
I don't care about monetary value because I am never going to sell them. i will probably will them to one of my Pearl Jam friends... if they out live me and are still Pearl Jam fans. I don't care what they do with them from there... mostly because i'll be dead.
Hail, Hail!!!
I'd keep it, or if I was so keen to sell it, I'd sell it for the $50. It's like buying a car... pretty well always go down in price.
EV - Canberra, Newcastle, Sydney 2011; Sydney 2014.
I was asking what you would do as the buyer in the situation? If an album originally cost $100, but now, it is only worth $50 (even though it is brand new still in its wrapper), would you take advantage of the decline in market value, even if it meant the original buyer would suffer a loss?
I know that the above question was not directed at me, but their loss is my gain!! Supply and demand..or lackthereof in your scenario! Its business...kill or be killed...it is what it is with collecting...When I bought my stuff, I had every intention of keeping it for me and for a very long time..Now my situation has changed and I am going to try and make some $$ back where I can...No harm no foul....I will not twist anyones arm...I will set my prices based on the current market conditions and go from there...some I will take a loss on I'm sure and some I will not...
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excellent question. hadn't thought of it like that until now.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
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So every collector of everything out there who goes on to sell something is scalping? That's absurd. And the fact that the rest of the English speaking world doesn't refer to those people as such backs me up.
"Advertising it to someone who obviously wants it"? What a concept...
Also you're fooling yourself with that statement about the Benny's and the foum users here. This message pit is a drop in the bucket of Pearl Jam lunacy.
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never a truer word spoken about the lunacy factor..also the most 10c member that use this forum the most are not always the biggest fans of the band .
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HOW BECOME A "holy grail" TO A HOLY GRAIL ?
Since the beginning of the mankind, everybody wants what is "RARE", right ?
Isn't it a great feeling if you have one of just 200 or 300 prints on your wall ?
AND
isn't it a great feeling to have the first pressing record (of the Doors, Beatles, Stones and of course Pearl Jam) in your hand ?
I love this feeling, cause i am a collector of rare stuff.
What about you ?
your spot on (in my eyes)..but benny (also in my eyes) is not even rare 2000 of them plus a few band editions.
but soldier field vinyl/cd 500 of each is rare but again not that hard to get hold of..they come up on ebay every now and again.(at least twice a year if not more)
then to get a monkeywrench cd (ask pdalowsky hes been looking for 10 years) is a rare item and will set you back well over $1000 im guessing .if it even shows up 50 made.
also what about cd promos would you spend $250 on a one track cd with black on it..
pearl jam whiskey for $400
jam jars for god knows what
or that poster you must have ..
or a dutch jeremy 7"
collectors will collect and it send the price up.but the collector will normally find out about a cd or vinyl before others and own it before others.(unless its a 10c release).
so back to your main point..whats a holy grail..its something the person wants. but most are not real grails and they are easy to find if you have the cash.
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I am not collect for selling, i collect for me and have fun