Catalans and Basques, should they have their own country?
Thoughts_Arrive
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Just reading some online news articles, many Catalans and Basques are not cheering on the Spanish football side at the WC.
Catalans protesting on the streets demanding their own country.
What do you all think?
Seeing they both have their own languages and cultures I say yes.
Catalans protesting on the streets demanding their own country.
What do you all think?
Seeing they both have their own languages and cultures I say yes.
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Belgium seems to be in a worse state politically.they are effectively 2 countries in politics, meaning they have their own regional parties that all vote for, and have failed to have a functioning government for months at a time.
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Dan
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Belgium is two different countries in every way, not just politically!!! Two very different entities. OK... maybe 2 with a lil' blip in the middle which is Brussels.
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Dan
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Umm.... these articles seem to suggest otherwise. Also knowing a good number of people there, they all celebrated (well... if they were interested in the world cup!).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/worldc ... final.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100712/ap_ ... celebrates
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... celebrates
Only to post a few...
People have to realise that in every day life, it's not such a big deal.
I think the Catalans are celebrating because half the team is Catalan.
If there were no Catalans do you think they'd care as much?
From online articles I've read lot of money that is rightfully Catalans is being funneled back to Spain hence another reason Catalans want to be independent.
It is like under Yugoslavia, us Croats were left with nothing, all the money we made from tourism on the coast was all sent to Belgrade, the Serbs had the power and the decisions.
Exactly. This goes to show that being Catalan and part of an autonomous region doesn't stop one from being part of a 'whole'.
We'll see what they are like after the WC fever dies down.
The Basques are more hardcore I think.
I know the extremist basques are very vocal (ETA) but a majority of the basques do not wish independence (I know the Basques in France well, not so much in Spain). As I said before, there have been talks about a Basque departement in France, but there again, it's a bit silly in a way as a lot of the people living there are not Basque.
Well... would you think of considering LA as a self-governing state? Or New York City? Looking at the Catalans and the Basque, their populations are respectively approx 6 million and approx 3 million. So the Basques would be similar to LA (though probably 1/2 million less) and the Catalans wouldn't even come close to New York's population which is over 8 million.
The USA has states which have their own state laws but they are still 'governed' with federal laws. So not real independence. The Basque or Catalan that want separation want a totally indpendent country, not a state within another country. This kind of stuff, the catalan and the basque already have as they are autonomous regions.
Yes to a free Californian state!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous ... s_of_Spain
As for comparing with US cities, well you can make it sound any way you want it. That 6 million is also the combined population of 4-5 huge (in area) midwestern states.
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Dan
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How many languages do they have in Spain geez:
Spanish
Catalan
Basque
Valenican
Aragonese
Galician
any more I do not know of?
Europe is old. Inhabited at different times by different peoples with different languages that splintered into local dialects. Stir and wait a couple centuries, and voila!
It might also have something to do with having an own language adds credibility to claims of being a nation. Which means any independently minded region will jump at any dialect difference between themselves and the others. I doubt the languages you cited are very different from eachother.
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Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
In case you missed it, I'm reposting this link that OutofBreath found. It explains who autonomous regions work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous ... s_of_Spain. They do have quite a bit of freedom thus the need for a completely independent country is not high on the agenda for most catalans and basques.
Just to correct there is no "Spanish" language. what most of the world recognizes as the spanish language is actually called Castellan. It comes from the region of Castilla which i believe is the same area as Madrid is located in.