Gun control does not work

Blockhead

It only affects law-abiding citizens.

Jason P

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

Stypo420

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

+1

catefrances

it works here. we havent had a mass shooting since tougher regulations were brought in in the 90s. sure criminals can still get their hands on guns. and sure not everyone handed their weapons in. but generally speaking gun control here has been a good thing. though admittedly we never had a gun culture like the united states has.

Godfather.

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

gun runners from mexico Canada and other countries would have a lock on the black market for guns just as Al Capon had on booze during Prohibition which would cause wars between the family's profiting from that trade and the police would be up to their nutz in it not to mention the already over populated prison system would be bankrupt, Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the bumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

catefrances

Godfather. wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

gun runners from mexico Canada and other countries would have a lock on the black market for guns just as Al Capon had on booze during Prohibition which would cause wars between the family's profiting from that trade and the police would be up to their nutz in it not to mention the already over populated prison system would be bankrupt, Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the pumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

well i guess youre up against it when your country was born of violence.

Godfather.

catefrances wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

gun runners from mexico Canada and other countries would have a lock on the black market for guns just as Al Capon had on booze during Prohibition which would cause wars between the family's profiting from that trade and the police would be up to their nutz in it not to mention the already over populated prison system would be bankrupt, Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the pumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

well i guess youre up against it when your country was born of violence.

yea just like every other country in the world I guess.

Godfather.

catefrances

Godfather. wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Godfather wrote:

gun runners from mexico Canada and other countries would have a lock on the black market for guns just as Al Capon had on booze during Prohibition which would cause wars between the family's profiting from that trade and the police would be up to their nutz in it not to mention the already over populated prison system would be bankrupt, Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the pumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

well i guess youre up against it when your country was born of violence.

yea just like every other country in the world I guess.

Godfather.

no not like every country. australia didnt become her own nation through war like the US did.

Jason P

Godfather. wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

gun runners from mexico Canada and other countries would have a lock on the black market for guns just as Al Capon had on booze during Prohibition which would cause wars between the family's profiting from that trade and the police would be up to their nutz in it not to mention the already over populated prison system would be bankrupt, Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the bumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

There already is a black market for guns, so I don't buy that argument. The biggest issues is that it would cost too much to pay fair-market price to people who have to hand their guns over. Combine that with the above mentioned attitude and how it would be almost impossible to collect the estimated 200,000,000 firearms that Americans own and I agree that guns are not going anywhere.

he still stands

to harm another individual you must be mentally ill : people are killed in droves in the US : a much higher rate of mental illness occurs in the US

Let's get to the source of the problem - why are people mentally ill and harming one another and doing other insane things?

Maybe it is because most people don't like what they're life has become? Does that mean that society has failed? Is the rat race causing us to become rats?

chadwick

he still stands wrote:

to harm another individual you must be mentally ill : people are killed in droves in the US : a much higher rate of mental illness occurs in the US

Let's get to the source of the problem - why are people mentally ill and harming one another and doing other insane things?

Maybe it is because most people don't like what they're life has become? Does that mean that society has failed? Is the rat race causing us to become rats?

good point.
some folks can't hang.

and yes the rat race is bullshit.
i am very pleased i take almost zero part in it.

eyedclaar

Godfather. wrote:

Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the bumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

Let me get this straight, Godfather. You are pro-gun and anti-pot? Sweet. Just like Jesus, I imagine...

Godfather.

he still stands wrote:

to harm another individual you must be mentally ill : people are killed in droves in the US : a much higher rate of mental illness occurs in the US

Let's get to the source of the problem - why are people mentally ill and harming one another and doing other insane things?

Maybe it is because most people don't like what they're life has become? Does that mean that society has failed? Is the rat race causing us to become rats?

you only need go to Los Angeles for the answer to that.

Godfather.

mikepegg44

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

I have never agreed with the idea that people can buy assault weapons or armor piercing bullets or any of that...but the problem is that if you make it all illegal you are punishing those that DO follow the rules. I like to hunt, I have properly registered fire arms, why should I be denied the ability to do something because others are using those tools to commit crimes. It doesn't make sense to me. If people want to kill each other they are going to, there is no rationality to violence. Why punish the law abiding and not really stop criminals from gettig guns?

Gun Violence sucks, but there are so many more responsible gun owners than criminals

Shawshank

Jason P wrote:

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents.

Just like we've seen such a dramatic reduction in the trafficking of drugs, just like we saw a dramatic reduction in alcohol consumption and availability when prohibition was in place. Blackmarket empires are born out of Federal regulation and restriction.

Shawshank

catefrances wrote:

no not like every country. australia didnt become her own nation through war like the US did.

No, not through an "official" war, but before you get too high on the morality horse, it's important to note that much like the Europeans who came to the U.S. and decimated the Native Americans, Europeans who colonized Australia did their best to wipe out Aboriginals through murder and even attempted genocide. Also, Australians where never under the subjugation of the British Empire in the way that the American Colonies were. Britain had learned it's lesson from the pounding it received during the American Revolutionary War. The policies towards it's colonies eased a bit, and the Crown was not so much of a hard ass to it's subjects afterward.

Godfather.

Shawshank wrote:

catefrances wrote:

no not like every country. australia didnt become her own nation through war like the US did.

No, not through an "official" war, but before you get too high on the morality horse, it's important to note that much like the Europeans who came to the U.S. and decimated the Native Americans, Europeans who colonized Australia did their best to wipe out Aboriginals through murder and even attempted genocide. Also, Australians where never under the subjugation of the British Empire in the way that the American Colonies were. Britain had learned it's lesson from the pounding it received during the American Revolutionary War. The policies towards it's colonies eased a bit, and the Crown was not so much of a hard ass to it's subjects afterward.

wow cool history lesson thanks.

Godfather.

Jason P

Shawshank wrote:

Jason P wrote:

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents.

Just like we've seen such a dramatic reduction in the trafficking of drugs, just like we saw a dramatic reduction in alcohol consumption and availability when prohibition was in place. Blackmarket empires are born out of Federal regulation and restriction.

I'm not totally disagreeing with you but I would like to point out that both alcohol and drugs create addiction in the user's mind. Guns are just pieces of metal, although some say shooting and collecting them does become addictive, although I would argue against withdrawal symptoms.

My case-in-point on how a federal ban would affect us: Fully automatic weapons

I don't hear too many stories of fully automatic weapons being used in crimes. I don't know what the black market is for them but I imagine it caters to a select list of clients. I also don't know anyone personally who has one . . . and I have a lot of friends that have 30+ guns. Therefore, I would argue that the ban on assault weapons has been effective. (pretty scientific, eh? )

lukin2006

Godfather. wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

gun runners from mexico Canada and other countries would have a lock on the black market for guns just as Al Capon had on booze during Prohibition which would cause wars between the family's profiting from that trade and the police would be up to their nutz in it not to mention the already over populated prison system would be bankrupt, Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the bumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

Gun runners from Canada, really, do have any facts to support this claim. A few facts hand gun ownership is extremely regulated and has been since the 30's, long gun ownership is regulated and has been since the 90's.

Most illegal guns in our country come from the US.

Godfather.

lukin2006 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Jason P wrote:

As someone pointed out in another thread, gun control in a city doesn't work. Since criminal elements can easily go outside the city limits, it does primarily effect the law-abiding citizen.

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents. But don't worry. The NRA will ensure that will never happen.

gun runners from mexico Canada and other countries would have a lock on the black market for guns just as Al Capon had on booze during Prohibition which would cause wars between the family's profiting from that trade and the police would be up to their nutz in it not to mention the already over populated prison system would be bankrupt, Americans love their gun's and will never give them up..as the bumper sticker read "you can have my gun when you pry my cold dead fingers off the trigger" guns are a great part of this countries history they are not going anywhere.

Godfather.

Gun runners from Canada, really, do have any facts to support this claim. A few facts hand gun ownership is extremely regulated and has been since the 30's, long gun ownership is regulated and has been since the 90's.

Most illegal guns in our country come from the US.

sorry to offend you, what I mean is canada can be used as port of entry since the border is very long and has ez ocean access and a ez path to the united states in many areas,Detroit is just across the bay right ?

Godfather.

Godfather.

Shawshank wrote:

Jason P wrote:

But federal implementation of a national ban would have an effect on both criminal and law-abiding citizens. If handgun production was to cease today and it was illegal to own one, even with the tremendous number of existing guns out there, I think over 10 years you would see a dramatic reduction in gun related deaths and accidents.

Just like we've seen such a dramatic reduction in the trafficking of drugs, just like we saw a dramatic reduction in alcohol consumption and availability when prohibition was in place. Blackmarket empires are born out of Federal regulation and restriction.

Shawshank is right,Al Capone and the Mafia did it and made millions during the liquor ban..just for an example.

Godfather.