Mass Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants by Executive Order

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unsung wrote:

How will this country afford 11M poor and unskilled people?

And don't tell me we are leaving any war to afford this either.

Basically sums up your acute mind. My family and I benefited from amnesty back in the Reagan days. Did we suddenly become enlightened b/c we were citizens? My parents started two successful companies and I got the opportunity to go to college and start a career. What did you do to become a citizen? You were born? Wow you really went through a lot. Poor guy. I'm going to do everything I can to ensure that my kids, their kids, and so on contribute to this country instead of blaming others for their problems.

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I'm not sure which thread to post this in, so I'm just posting in the most recent one about undocumented immigrants. Just read an interesting article on the PBS website. Highlights:

"Illegal alien. Border hopper. Wetback. Now – “anchor baby.” Are these just words? Whether we call them descriptive phrases or racist slurs, we can all agree on one thing: the current language for undocumented people in this country allows us to think that immigration status defines a person’s basic humanity and right to dignity. . . .

. . . In 1753, Benjamin Franklin wrote that immigrants who come to America are “generally of the most ignorant stupid sort of their own nation. Not being used to liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it. They are not esteemed men till they have shown their manhood by beating their mothers. Now they come in droves. Few of their children in the country learn English.”

He was writing about Germans. We’ve been stereotyping immigrants in order to blame them for our problems since before we were even a country. . . .

. . . Legal scholars like David Cole have proven that every time we have some crisis of faith about the economy or national security, we restrict the rights of immigrant communities. Why do we do this? It’s easier to scapegoat immigrants than to come up with real solutions to the biggest challenges to our society. It’s easier to round up undocumented Muslims than to develop an efficient, thoughtful strategy for dealing with Islamist militancy in the world. It’s easier to crack down on undocumented immigrants than to honestly ask ourselves why our economy must rely on a permanent undocumented population. . . .

. . . We can argue until we’re red or blue in the face about the pros and cons of immigrants, but it’s high time that we, as the most diverse nation in the world, learn to love ourselves. As long as we keep on trying to solve our economic and national security problems through immigration policy, as long as we keep justifying the unjust treatment of immigrants, we all lose."

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/se ... mpaign=pbs

unsung

Well once again it needs to be defined. Illegal immigration is bad, controlled legal immigration is good. People who combine the two to try to confuse the issue are misguided. Is it about papers, yes. It is about working by the laws and respecting those laws that allow them to come here to build their dream. Illegal immigration not only hurts the citizens but also the legal immigrants who are working to attain legal status. Unfortunately also the government overloads those of whom are trying honestly to gain legal status with extreme amounts of paperwork and red tape. We need to streamline the process a bit for them.

OnTheEdge

tonifig8 wrote:

unsung wrote:

How will this country afford 11M poor and unskilled people?

And don't tell me we are leaving any war to afford this either.

First off not all of them are unskilled - and not all of them are poor- The kid from Harvard isn't unskilled, along with the many other illegal immigrant students who just graduated aren't either.

Now what's the point of even having a conversation with you-if your not willing to listen? Or for that matter even care? You think the easy solution is to gather them up like cattle and move them out.
11+million people are here - and you have about 50 million other Hispanic's, plus a vast amount of non Hispanic's who would probably stand in the way of rounding them up! Can you comprehend that this issue is actually more complicated then what the tea party is claiming?
We have an opportunity here - to do the right thing- If the country would accept illegal immigrants who have shown good behavior- and deport all of those who have committed serious crimes (aside from coming here illegally) - The rest of the country will respect that, and would stand behind the deportation of those individuals....it would be much easier to manage/control. ... Now we would know exactly who is in this country ---
A $10,000 fee, 100hrs+ of community service, an oath of honor to this country, etc..etc..etc... Heck I am sure they would even finish building the fu@!ing fence at a minimum wage!
-Then Secure the boarder and we are done with this!
11 million dollars x 10k=$$ 11million new tax payers=$$ 11 million loyal American's = more Security
++++ The thousands that would join the military= more relief for our current armed forces!

The possibilities are there, and I know there are a lot of negative complicated factors, which would need to be discussed; Which I would be more then happy to explore and discuss- If you really gave a fu@! - but you don't so just make sure you keep your gun loaded, and be ready to take back your country ... :roll:

I wonder how many of them 11 million people make up our 10% unemployment?

OnTheEdge

cincybearcat wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

You think the easy solution is to gather them up like cattle and move them out.

I get tired of hearing people try to portray those that think someone in the country illegally should be removed are comparing them to cattle and that they are being dehumanized.

It's just dumb.

It's not the easy solution. The right one usually isn't.

I agree.

matabele

The problem is unless you are a true native of the continent, Apache etc, then you are kind of illegal to?

unsung

http://world-news.newsvine.com/_questio ... mmigration

KDH12

tonifig8 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/24/use-surveillance-drones-mexican-border/

Godfather.

Anyone, besides me, ever read the comments posted by the readers/supporters of foxnews?

Maybe we should have the UNIONS start their advertising campaigns the way they used to do. MADE BY WHITES!

They will track them so they can tell Acorn and ISEU where to find them so they can recruit them.

-I would enjoy some new moving targets. I have a Texas Hunting permit with no bag limit on Illegals. AZ needs one too.>>>>>>>Finally, an honest Repub!

Is this administration aware of the overwhelming consensus on the subject? People are furious and fed up. There has NEVER been a President with such a deaf ear to the American public. He just does what he wants. It is so outrageous, it just might work unless we get Louder and More Serious. This situation is unacceptable and will certainly ruin what we know as America.

Wonderful if all we want to do is observe and take license plate numbers. This does nothing to actually stem the tide, since the problem isn't spotting them but catching them and getting them the h"ll out of here. Until there's a will to STOP illegals from coming, by enforcing laws, deporting or sending in troops to reclaim areas that are now under control of criminals, we're just biding time

I have an idea. Suppose we hire all those unemployed Americans who are willing, and train them in border security. Arm them with the necessary equipment and have them guard the border. We could take the money that we are spending on the border now, along with the money on drug smuggling, and build them homes on the border ( hence employing the construction industry, ) This would employ a lot of our Countries' out of work people with money we are spending already with no results. We could build guard towers within site of each other, and have great coverage of the areas that present a problem for the US. We could do away with the drones, saving millions of dollars in fruitless spending. We could also confiscate the drugs, and use them for medical purposes to treat the uninsured. Afterall, those illegal drugs are the same as our expensive legal drugs that our drug companies are pushing on us at super high prices. Wake UP America. Never let a problem situation remain a problem for long.. Change it to become an asset instead of a liability

Sign Me UP!

Our Commander has spoken, no one in their right mind would allow illeagles to enter the United States, Obama is never questioned why he lies, I would like to know why? I am asking Obama to Step Down, you have made a mess too large for one person to clean up this isn't just in the Gulf it is America. Stop.

and when the drones see activity who will enforce it? Obama will make sure no Mexican feathers get ruffled. Calderone will protest the drones and our boy will withdraw them. We're giving the land back to the Mexicans - why don't we send in Marines and take our land back. The drug people are better financed and connected than out Border Patrol. We won't see DC doing anything - may disrupt an embassy party

Nice Start...then when intruders are spotted, follow up with the vulcan nose cannon of an A-10 out of Tucson!!!...Theyed look like swiss cheese after that.

AMNESTY FOR ALL BAMMAS BROS

So is this another "President" Dingle Barry charade or are they going to put forth a concerted effort to eliminate illegals from entering our country? I mean, Dingle Barry does want to get these people into the country to turn them in to voters AND I'm guessing that they are his connection for his cocaine snorting

Truth is, we could secure the border within weeks at little or no cost to the taxpayer... All we'd have to do is issue a press release stating that volunteers are needed to defend the US Border from foreign aggressors, bring your own guns and ammo. WIth a little community organizing it would work quite well.

The drones will not be armed, they will drop maps of U.S.cities and food stamps>>>>>LOL Don't give this administration any ideas

And it just goes on and on.... I think I found two neutral comments. ...I could see the Fare and balanced views the station attracts.... I love it!

I read them as well

Had me laughing too much had to get away

What we need to do is turn the USA into a huge prison, no one gets in and no one gets out except the folks with a badge and a gun

KDH12

OnTheEdge wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

unsung wrote:

How will this country afford 11M poor and unskilled people?

And don't tell me we are leaving any war to afford this either.

First off not all of them are unskilled - and not all of them are poor- The kid from Harvard isn't unskilled, along with the many other illegal immigrant students who just graduated aren't either.

Now what's the point of even having a conversation with you-if your not willing to listen? Or for that matter even care? You think the easy solution is to gather them up like cattle and move them out.
11+million people are here - and you have about 50 million other Hispanic's, plus a vast amount of non Hispanic's who would probably stand in the way of rounding them up! Can you comprehend that this issue is actually more complicated then what the tea party is claiming?
We have an opportunity here - to do the right thing- If the country would accept illegal immigrants who have shown good behavior- and deport all of those who have committed serious crimes (aside from coming here illegally) - The rest of the country will respect that, and would stand behind the deportation of those individuals....it would be much easier to manage/control. ... Now we would know exactly who is in this country ---
A $10,000 fee, 100hrs+ of community service, an oath of honor to this country, etc..etc..etc... Heck I am sure they would even finish building the fu@!ing fence at a minimum wage!
-Then Secure the boarder and we are done with this!
11 million dollars x 10k=$$ 11million new tax payers=$$ 11 million loyal American's = more Security
++++ The thousands that would join the military= more relief for our current armed forces!

The possibilities are there, and I know there are a lot of negative complicated factors, which would need to be discussed; Which I would be more then happy to explore and discuss- If you really gave a fu@! - but you don't so just make sure you keep your gun loaded, and be ready to take back your country ... :roll:

I wonder how many of them 11 million people make up our 10% unemployment?

very few of them are counted it the 10% as well as a lot of legal citizens are not counted in the 10%

our unemployment numbers are very misleading