RollingStone.

Godfather.

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

blackredyellow

Godfather. wrote:

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

I disagree whole heartedly with that... isn't the right supposed to support the first amendment?

JonnyPistachio

That is kinda putting the balme in the wrong place if you ask me.
I don't know all the details, but I assume RollingStone was just doing their job. And what reporter doesnt wan tto be in the middle of controversy?

If I don't like my boss, or what he/she is doing, I can speak my voice in a responsible way, not go up and down the hallways with a megaphone yelling that he's an asshole.

Boxes&Books

blackredyellow wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

I disagree whole heartedly with that...

agree

Dirtie_Frank

I disagree he said it infront of a reporter. The reporter had every right to write the article. He should have used more tact or not have vented to a RS reporter.

Any way RS is a rag. I had a thread that was locked because of bickering, they did not even have one PJ song in the top 500, when the likes of R Kelly and Lady Gaga are in it.

Model Roll Model

Godfather. wrote:

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

I think you mean lose.

loose lips sink ships.

Boxes&Books

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Any way RS is a rag. I had a thread that was locked because of bickering, they did not even have one PJ song in the top 500, when the likes of R Kelly and Lady Gaga are in it.

I couldn't believe that crap either! How the hell doesn't one PJ song make the top 500 songs of all time!! Not even number 500!

blackredyellow

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Any way RS is a rag. I had a thread that was locked because of bickering, they did not even have one PJ song in the top 500, when the likes of R Kelly and Lady Gaga are in it.

One thing that we on the moving train can agree 100% on, it that that is a bullshit list

Jason P

I have a bigger problem with The Washington Post releasing top-secret reports to the public then someone being interviewed by Rolling Stone magazine. I appreciate the freedom of speech and press, but releasing top secret reports treads the thin line of committing treason in my book.

Godfather.

Model Roll Model wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

I think you mean lose.

loose lips sink ships.

I was thinking that

Godfather.

polaris_x

Jason P wrote:

I have a bigger problem with The Washington Post releasing top-secret reports to the public then someone being interviewed by Rolling Stone magazine. I appreciate the freedom of speech and press, but releasing top secret reports treads the thin line of committing treason in my book.

what if those top secret reports shows that your gov't, using your tax dollars were involved in illegal activities?

Jason P

polaris_x wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I have a bigger problem with The Washington Post releasing top-secret reports to the public then someone being interviewed by Rolling Stone magazine. I appreciate the freedom of speech and press, but releasing top secret reports treads the thin line of committing treason in my book.

what if those top secret reports shows that your gov't, using your tax dollars were involved in illegal activities?

I have a bigger problem with giving the enemy insight to our overall strategy that will allow them to change tactics, thus dragging the war out and costing more taxpayer money, and more importantly the loss of civilian and military lives.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

the guy is a freaking dolt for saying that to a reporter. he SHOULD lose his command over it. had he said it in confidence not knowing the guy was a reporter and leaked out, that would be different.

Cosmo

Free Speech is a double edged sword... can be good, can be bad. The same holds true regarding the truth.
...
My belief is the Press should serve as the 4th Branch of government to expose things our government is doing to us, rather than doing for us. I also believe that journalism should be the founding principle of the press, not sensationalism, political partisanship, opinions or entertainment value.
But, I also believe the press should consider the nature of the truth. If, for example, there is a weakness in the security of our weapons grade uranium storage facilities, I do not think the press should reveal those weaknesses to us. I believe the competent thing to do wuld be to reveal the weaknesses to the executive branch and only reveal the truth of our mistakes, after those weaknesses have been fortified.
I believe we, the people of this nation, deserve to be told the truth about our government... even if that truth blemishes our image of how we see ourselves. But, I believe the truth, at times, needs to be sheltered from us... such as instructions on hacking computer systems and bypassing failsafe systems to launch a ballistic missile aimed at China.
The sword cuts both ways.

arq

blackredyellow wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

I disagree whole heartedly with that... isn't the right supposed to support the first amendment?

+1

unsung

I quit my subscription to RS when they called Cobain (when he was alive) the voice of a generation, as I'm guessing he would have hated to be labeled that. Anything to sell a mag. They stopped being relevant about the time when MTV stopped playing videos. I guess they both went out hand in hand.

Cosmo

Godfather. wrote:

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

...
If all you want to hear about is good news... then, we need news censors... like the ones they have in places like North Korea and Iran.
...
Sometimes, we need to hear the truth... the sometimes cold, hard, ugly truth.

JR8805

Godfather. wrote:

rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

What happened to personal responsibility? Why does a supposedly smart guy who stands to lose his command say things so detrimental to his self-interests? McChrystal knew what he was saying and to whom he was saying it. He knew RS would publish what he said. If he is stupid enough to say things of this nature to a reporter for an internationally published magazine, where does the stupid enough end? Right where it did end.

Godfather.

sorry guys I'm standing my ground on this one, McCrystal should have kept his mouth shut and he got what he had coming no doubt but I also think that reporter ruined a mans career just for a story..he's a piece of shit.
I wonder if this will bring any sort of back-lash on obamas popularity with the people finding out what a top general and some of his men think of their presidents ability to manage the operations in this war ?...not saying just asking.

Godfather.

Boxes&Books

Godfather. wrote:

sorry guys I'm standing my ground on this one, McCrystal should have kept his mouth shut and he got what he had coming no doubt but I also think that reporter ruined a mans career just for a story..he's a piece of shit.
I wonder if this will bring any sort of back-lash on obamas popularity with the people finding out what a top general and some of his men think of their presidents ability to manage the operations in this war ?...not saying just asking.

Godfather.

If any of the hard right folks were to watch something other then Fox you would have gotten the information straight from the writer of the article. The guy did several interviews yesterday and stated that McCrystal and his staff new very well what was being used for the article- McCrystal was told several times that the info he was providing was going to be used in the Article.

I don't see how this will affect Obama- His speech was clear- and his actions were just - Even John B. said he supported the Presidents actions- Obama is trying to put an end to the war or at least that is the message he is giving, and this Gen. didn't agree with that strategy.

Godfather.

tonifig8 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

sorry guys I'm standing my ground on this one, McCrystal should have kept his mouth shut and he got what he had coming no doubt but I also think that reporter ruined a mans career just for a story..he's a piece of shit.
I wonder if this will bring any sort of back-lash on obamas popularity with the people finding out what a top general and some of his men think of their presidents ability to manage the operations in this war ?...not saying just asking.

Godfather.

If any of the hard right folks were to watch something other then Fox you would have gotten the information straight from the writer of the article. The guy did several interviews yesterday and stated that McCrystal and his staff new very well what was being used for the article- McCrystal was told several times that the info he was providing was going to be used in the Article.

I don't see how this will affect Obama- His speech was clear- and his actions were just - Even John B. said he supported the Presidents actions- Obama is trying to put an end to the war or at least that is the message he is giving, and this Gen. didn't agree with that strategy.

cool, thanks for the info tony and like I said the general got what he had coming but I still think the reporter messed up, I could be wrong but this wouldn't have happened back in the day because reporters knew what lines not to cross....yea yea.. I learned that on the history channel

Godfather.

JaneNY

In the time we live in, people lose jobs for way less - people have lost jobs for posting something on facebook. We may not like it but that's the way it is. Anyone with common sense knows you don't trash talk the boss in public if you'd like to keep your job. I am eagerly awaiting my issue of said rag, and look forward to reading the article. Replacing him with Petraeus is a brilliant move however.

Boxes&Books

JaneNY wrote:

In the time we live in, people lose jobs for way less - people have lost jobs for posting something on facebook. We may not like it but that's the way it is. Anyone with common sense knows you don't trash talk the boss in public if you'd like to keep your job. I am eagerly awaiting my issue of said rag, and look forward to reading the article. Replacing him with Petraeus is a brilliant move however.

I'm expecting the magazine to sell out fast! I think a lot of folks are anxiously waiting....I know I am....
:?

Stypo420

Kudos to RS for printing this story. As we all have learned by now this type of talk is forbidden by the military code of conduct. so I say good for RS for bringing it to light because NBC's parent GE wouldn't want to loose any defense contracts.

WM31482

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Any way RS is a rag. I had a thread that was locked because of bickering, they did not even have one PJ song in the top 500, when the likes of R Kelly and Lady Gaga are in it.

you need to give that up already... seriously who cares that much...

norm

Godfather. wrote:

cool, thanks for the info tony and like I said the general got what he had coming but I still think the reporter messed up, I could be wrong but this wouldn't have happened back in the day because reporters knew what lines not to cross....yea yea.. I learned that on the history channel

Godfather.

c'mon man, this isn't the cuban missile crisis...it's a pissed off general popping off about his commander in chief on the record...no self respecting journalist would pass on this one...regardless of his political leanings

WM31482

JR8805 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:
rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

I find it kind of amazing that a person can say this and actually be enough of a fan to be a member of ten club-

have you ever actually been to a pearl jam concert?

Godfather.

JaneNY wrote:

In the time we live in, people lose jobs for way less - people have lost jobs for posting something on facebook. We may not like it but that's the way it is. Anyone with common sense knows you don't trash talk the boss in public if you'd like to keep your job. I am eagerly awaiting my issue of said rag, and look forward to reading the article. Replacing him with Petraeus is a brilliant move however.

you all are right and I'm not arguing that at all I just feel the reporter could have kept his mouth shut about what ever it is McCrystal said that was so bad...but maybe Petraeus will be the guy to help bring the crap to an end (war).

Godfather.

Godfather.

WM31482 wrote:

JR8805 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:
rollingstone should have never printed that story knowing that a man could loose his command because of it.
back in the old day's this would have never happend , the media knew what and what not to print.. I will never buy rollingstone again.

Godfather.

I find it kind of amazing that a person can say this and actually be enough of a fan to be a member of ten club-

have you ever actually been to a pearl jam concert?

what ?????? ! what are some you kind of kook that lets their favorite band control their interest and thoughts ?
get a grip man, PJ is one of the more tallented bands I have heard in a long time and ONE of my favorites and no I have not had the opertunity to see them live yet, please save your high school drama for someone else.
:crazy:

Godfather.

Godfather.

norm wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

cool, thanks for the info tony and like I said the general got what he had coming but I still think the reporter messed up, I could be wrong but this wouldn't have happened back in the day because reporters knew what lines not to cross....yea yea.. I learned that on the history channel

Godfather.

c'mon man, this isn't the cuban missile crisis...it's a pissed off general popping off about his commander in chief on the record...no self respecting journalist would pass on this one...regardless of his political leanings

sorry Norm I'm a old school guy who grew up learning to keep my mouth shut and I don't disagree with you or the others about this,it just pisses me off that this reporter would rat out a military general over a comment he recorded, things like this could have a adverse effect on more people than just McCrystal..not that they will this time but still what else will this reporter leek out that could have worse repercussions ?

Godfather.

blackredyellow

Godfather. wrote:

norm wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

cool, thanks for the info tony and like I said the general got what he had coming but I still think the reporter messed up, I could be wrong but this wouldn't have happened back in the day because reporters knew what lines not to cross....yea yea.. I learned that on the history channel

Godfather.

c'mon man, this isn't the cuban missile crisis...it's a pissed off general popping off about his commander in chief on the record...no self respecting journalist would pass on this one...regardless of his political leanings

sorry Norm I'm a old school guy who grew up learning to keep my mouth shut and I don't disagree with you or the others about this,it just pisses me off that this reporter would rat out a military general over a comment he recorded, things like this could have a adverse effect on more people than just McCrystal..not that they will this time but still what else will this reporter leek out that could have worse repercussions ?

Godfather.

I still don't see how you can blame the reporter on this one... Any reporter doing and interview would have written those comments. Great, you grew up learning to keep your mouth shut... but by job description, a reporter is paid to speak/write, not keep his/her mouth shut. Like said above, this wasn't sitting on a story about the Cuban Missile Crisis or anything, this was a General's comments that he knowingly made to a reporter and showed no regret in doing so.

The reporter said he fact checked with McCrystal afterward, and there was no hesitation confirming what was said... And worse was said "off the record". So, it seems to me that either McCrystal was just so frustrated with civilian leadership that he didn't care, or that he was looking for a way out of his position. A career military man and four star General doesn't make that sort of careless mistake without knowing it would be printed, and knowing the consequences. Every single military talking head I've seen on TV the night before he was relieved, said that McCrystal had to go... They knew what action had to be taken, and you gotta bet that McCrystal did too.