Gen. Stanley McChrystal

blackredyellow

cincybearcat wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

man bro I'm starting to think you are a radical of some sort..."NEWS FLASH !! LOTS OF AMERICANS THINK OUR PRESIDENT SUCKS !" but since your opinion is the only one that matters we'll just disreguard the all other opinions, chill it out...hay why don't you join the military and go save the world.

Godfather.

We are talking about the man responsible for 90,000 of our kids life's....

It's his job. Obama is his boss. If he is going to say those things to the media, Obama must respond by asking him to step down from his post. If he doesn't, Obama must remove him. It is unacceptable behavior.

Exactly... if he made these comments in private to Sec Gates, the Army Chief of Staff, or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then that's fine... that's his superiors and it's his duty to be truthful with them about the operation he's running... But you don't say those things to a fucking Rolling Stone reporter... how dumb can you be?

Pepe Silvia

cincybearcat wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

man bro I'm starting to think you are a radical of some sort..."NEWS FLASH !! LOTS OF AMERICANS THINK OUR PRESIDENT SUCKS !" but since your opinion is the only one that matters we'll just disreguard the all other opinions, chill it out...hay why don't you join the military and go save the world.

Godfather.

We are talking about the man responsible for 90,000 of our kids life's....

It's his job. Obama is his boss. If he is going to say those things to the media, Obama must respond by asking him to step down from his post. If he doesn't, Obama must remove him. It is unacceptable behavior.

can ya imagine the shit fit some on the right would have if he did that?

though, it would be funny because some would say 'first he took over the banks, then he took over the auto industry, now he's taking over the military!' and it would be so hilarious because obama IS the commander in chief of the military and we all could have a good laugh......

Jason P

If McChrystal avoids getting sacked, he should consider himself lucky. I think it is well known that generals are not allowed to criticize the commander-in-chief, no matter if he is doing a crappy job of supporting his efforts. General MacAurthor was sacked by Truman after he wrote a critical letter during the Korean War.

Also, why in the hell he was letting Rolling Stone interview him is beyond stupid. That would be like Peyton Manning hiring a Boston Globe writer to publish his autobiography.

Cliffy6745

unsung wrote:

Anyone know when obamas next tee time is?

What a dumb comment.

Cosmo

Jason P wrote:

If McChrystal avoids getting sacked, he should consider himself lucky. I think it is well known that generals are not allowed to criticize the commander-in-chief, no matter if he is doing a crappy job of supporting his efforts. General MacAurthor was sacked by Truman after he wrote a critical letter during the Korean War.

Also, why in the hell he was letting Rolling Stone interview him is beyond stupid. That would be like Peyton Manning hiring a Boston Globe writer to publish his autobiography.

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The problem with Gen. McArthur was, he wanted to fight the Korean War the same way the Wars in Europe and the Pacific were fought... all out war. The Korean War was closer to a limited, police action than a war... with demlitarized zones and diplomats arguing behind the scenes with words. This was something McArthur didn't like, fighting with his hands tied. McArthur was convinved that the victory, as in the recent past wars, was the only option.
But, there was a huge game changer in effect in 1951 that wasn't in 1942... nuclear weapons. McArthur was authorized to use nuclear weapons against China if attacks were launched from their borders.
A commander who wants only victory... armed with nuclear weapons... against an adversary who has nuclear weapons... run the numbers. Is the risk too great?

Godfather.

after reading all the comments on here and thinking about it you all are right that the General should be reprimanded in some way, even though I am not a obama fan the generals comments to rollingstone about the commander and chief...(lord it pains me to say that) was way out of line and man his position should have known better.
but in his defense maybe the general being there on the front lines knows some thing that we the public don't know regarding obamas performance and decisions in this war, maybe, maybe not.

Godfather.

Jason P

Cosmo wrote:

Jason P wrote:

If McChrystal avoids getting sacked, he should consider himself lucky. I think it is well known that generals are not allowed to criticize the commander-in-chief, no matter if he is doing a crappy job of supporting his efforts. General MacAurthor was sacked by Truman after he wrote a critical letter during the Korean War.

Also, why in the hell he was letting Rolling Stone interview him is beyond stupid. That would be like Peyton Manning hiring a Boston Globe writer to publish his autobiography.

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The problem with Gen. McArthur was, he wanted to fight the Korean War the same way the Wars in Europe and the Pacific were fought... all out war. The Korean War was closer to a limited, police action than a war... with demlitarized zones and diplomats arguing behind the scenes with words. This was something McArthur didn't like, fighting with his hands tied. McArthur was convinved that the victory, as in the recent past wars, was the only option.
But, there was a huge game changer in effect in 1951 that wasn't in 1942... nuclear weapons. McArthur was authorized to use nuclear weapons against China if attacks were launched from their borders.
A commander who wants only victory... armed with nuclear weapons... against an adversary who has nuclear weapons... run the numbers. Is the risk too great?

You are spot on about the "real" reasons he was sacked but I believe the Korean War was much more then a limited police action. Limited police actions don't result in 37,000 G.I.s getting killed along with hundreds of thousands of Korean solders and civilians. But, since congress didn't actually declare war, that is what is was referred to. Sorta like the Vietnam "conflict" . . .

mikepegg44

well, I think it was in poor taste to make comments to the media that he wouldn't make to the president himself. And that is what it seems to me he did. He may just have been ventin frustration and made some poor choices. Should he be removed? I guess the answer to that is do we have a suitable replacement? Can someone else step in with the same expertise and knowledge and conduct the war in a way that minimizes casualties?

If the answer is yes, then remove him, if the answer is no he needs to remain at the very least for the sake of the troops who are in harms way.

But lets not forget the retired generals that were celebrated during the bush administration. Either way, it seems that not all people in the military agree on what needs to be done...that makes sense to me... Lots of different individuals...but anyone in command of armed forces on the ground needs to be much smarter as to who he speaks with and how he vents his frustrations.

cincybearcat

Cliffy6745 wrote:

unsung wrote:

Anyone know when obamas next tee time is?

What a dumb comment.

Yep, just as dumb as all those GW at the ranch posts the last 8 years.

cincybearcat

mikepegg44 wrote:

well, I think it was in poor taste to make comments to the media

It's not just poor taste, it's disgraceful.

The president is his boss. What would your boss do to you if you made these types of comments to the media about the company and it's leaders? Fire your ass, that's what he/she'd do.

Cosmo

Jason P wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

Jason P wrote:

If McChrystal avoids getting sacked, he should consider himself lucky. I think it is well known that generals are not allowed to criticize the commander-in-chief, no matter if he is doing a crappy job of supporting his efforts. General MacAurthor was sacked by Truman after he wrote a critical letter during the Korean War.

Also, why in the hell he was letting Rolling Stone interview him is beyond stupid. That would be like Peyton Manning hiring a Boston Globe writer to publish his autobiography.

...
The problem with Gen. McArthur was, he wanted to fight the Korean War the same way the Wars in Europe and the Pacific were fought... all out war. The Korean War was closer to a limited, police action than a war... with demlitarized zones and diplomats arguing behind the scenes with words. This was something McArthur didn't like, fighting with his hands tied. McArthur was convinved that the victory, as in the recent past wars, was the only option.
But, there was a huge game changer in effect in 1951 that wasn't in 1942... nuclear weapons. McArthur was authorized to use nuclear weapons against China if attacks were launched from their borders.
A commander who wants only victory... armed with nuclear weapons... against an adversary who has nuclear weapons... run the numbers. Is the risk too great?

You are spot on about the "real" reasons he was sacked but I believe the Korean War was much more then a limited police action. Limited police actions don't result in 37,000 G.I.s getting killed along with hundreds of thousands of Korean solders and civilians. But, since congress didn't actually declare war, that is what is was referred to. Sorta like the Vietnam "conflict" . . .

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Both the Korean War and the Viet Nam war were police actions. Undeclared wars to protect America's best interests at the forefront and our active role in policing the 'peace'. Police actions in the sense that crossing this imaginary line defined on a map was out of bounds, limiting the use of force and restricting certain strategies and tactics. And a hell of a lot of people died in Viet Nam.
People do die in a police state or a police action.

Smellyman

Cosmo wrote:

The question that people need to answer is this, "Is General McChrystal doing an effective job in Afghanistan, Yes/No?"
Answer that and keep the political bullshit out of it.
Generals may question Washington, but do they follow the chain of command? Privates and Sargents question their commanders all the time... they may also think their commanders have their heads up their asses or are dipshits... BUT, they follow their orders. It works like that all the way up the chain.
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The other question you have to ask is... why is it okay to question a President during wartime today... but from 2003-2008 it was considered to be 'Unpatriotic'? What has changed?

bingo

SundaySilence

aerial wrote:

Look how fast Obama is having a meeting this time yet it took him months to meet with the General when he became President…. I don’t think this is a left or right issue…it’s more of… is the President qualified for the job or not issue……wrong is wrong

Your quote is wrong:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/lincoln/prosperity.asp

ed243421

Godfather. wrote:

good grief..I think you are over reacting you act like this is the first time this has ever happend, this man Mr.McChrystal is under great pressure and putting his balls on the line for his/our country,I agree he should have kept his opinion to him self but lets not get carried away I mean after all a lot of people agree with him so lets cut him a break and let him do his job I don't think it will happen again.

Godfather.

"so lets cut him a break and let him do his job I don't think it will happen again"

are you talkin about covering up a "friendly fire" death of one of his soldiers, lying to that soldiers' family, and selling to the media a story that attempts to make him a poster boy for his war?

or just the insubordination?
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puremagic

aerial wrote:

Look how fast Obama is having a meeting this time yet it took him months to meet with the General when he became President…. I don’t think this is a left or right issue…it’s more of… is the President qualified for the job or not issue……wrong is wrong

Do you just spout talking points, or do you actually know anything about military personnel, especially, career military people. General McChrystal was out of line. President Obama is the Commander-in-Chief of the United States of America and regardless of how General McChrystal ‘personally’ felt about the Obama Administration, as long as he serves as an ‘active’ General in the United States military it was not his place or anyone under his command to publically criticize the military policies, actions, or activities of the United States government. To do this in the mist of an active ‘war zone’ is less than honorable.

I agree with cincy, it was disgraceful. General McChrystal should turn in his resignation and President Obama should accept such.

Godfather.

ed243421 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

good grief..I think you are over reacting you act like this is the first time this has ever happend, this man Mr.McChrystal is under great pressure and putting his balls on the line for his/our country,I agree he should have kept his opinion to him self but lets not get carried away I mean after all a lot of people agree with him so lets cut him a break and let him do his job I don't think it will happen again.

Godfather.

"so lets cut him a break and let him do his job I don't think it will happen again"

are you talkin about covering up a "friendly fire" death of one of his soldiers, lying to that soldiers' family, and selling to the media a story that attempts to make him a poster boy for his war?

or just the insubordination?
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gawd you are freaking idiot...please do not reply to my posts,be a good boy and go play in the freeway.

Godfther,

Dirtie_Frank

tonifig8 wrote:

Obama is getting hit with crap left and right- I am starting to believe that the right wont be happy till they see our President /country fail. So much hate is being spread all over the blogs/net/media, regarding this issue - The right feels McChrystal did nothing wrong and they support McChrystal's actions....
This affects the morale of the troops- this affects the image of our leader, it creates havoc with in our country, and a ton of side tracking/B.S issues to deal with; As if we didn't already have so many real issues to deal with.
I hope Obama slaps this guy and makes sure this idiot is removed immediately. The right wont be happy until we double the deaths of 9/11 - In a war that has no purpose and that has no end. Obama wants to try and pull out (at least a huge percentage) and these donkey Conservatives just want death and destruction...

First off you do not make it to become a Four Star General by being an idiot. Second Obama just deployed 30,000 more soldiers to Afghanistan, so "pulling out" not so much.

Another thing what McChrystal did was wrong, but that man has probably done more good for this country then anyone on this board.

cincybearcat

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Obama is getting hit with crap left and right- I am starting to believe that the right wont be happy till they see our President /country fail. So much hate is being spread all over the blogs/net/media, regarding this issue - The right feels McChrystal did nothing wrong and they support McChrystal's actions....
This affects the morale of the troops- this affects the image of our leader, it creates havoc with in our country, and a ton of side tracking/B.S issues to deal with; As if we didn't already have so many real issues to deal with.
I hope Obama slaps this guy and makes sure this idiot is removed immediately. The right wont be happy until we double the deaths of 9/11 - In a war that has no purpose and that has no end. Obama wants to try and pull out (at least a huge percentage) and these donkey Conservatives just want death and destruction...

First off you do not make it to become a Four Star General by being an idiot. Second Obama just deployed 30,000 more soldiers to Afghanistan, so "pulling out" not so much.

Another thing what McChrystal did was wrong, but that man has probably done more good for this country then anyone on this board.

Probably so, but this is a big screw up. And there are consequences to your actions. He displayed a chink in his leadership ability....a big chink...and now his services are required elsewhere.

Boxes&Books

cincybearcat wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

tonifig8 wrote:

Obama is getting hit with crap left and right- I am starting to believe that the right wont be happy till they see our President /country fail. So much hate is being spread all over the blogs/net/media, regarding this issue - The right feels McChrystal did nothing wrong and they support McChrystal's actions....
This affects the morale of the troops- this affects the image of our leader, it creates havoc with in our country, and a ton of side tracking/B.S issues to deal with; As if we didn't already have so many real issues to deal with.
I hope Obama slaps this guy and makes sure this idiot is removed immediately. The right wont be happy until we double the deaths of 9/11 - In a war that has no purpose and that has no end. Obama wants to try and pull out (at least a huge percentage) and these donkey Conservatives just want death and destruction...

that man has probably done more good for this country then anyone on this board.

Probably so, but this is a big screw up. And there are consequences to your actions. He displayed a chink in his leadership ability....a big chink...and now his services are required elsewhere.

I really hope that the person 5th in the chain of command has done more for our country then someone on this board! :roll:

He insulted/disrespected the Chain of Command of this Nation. He embarrassed the President of The United States of America (his Boss). If McChrystal doesn't feel that he can complete the mission Obama wants, then he should communicate that to Obama and step down- Don't go insulting this nations chain of command to Rolling Stone Magazine. I am sure the enemy will use this as a sign of hope- I am sure this will bring some serious doubts and confusion to our troops.
McChrystal is responsible for 90,000 of our brave men and women - and Obama is responsible for the entire nation - He doesn't need crap distractions like this when he is dealing with other major issues.


My opinion- Fire his Ass!

blackredyellow

news stations are saying he has been relieved of his command.