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whats with all this "matt speeds up songs" crap?

12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
edited June 2010 in The Porch
OK I know it hasnt been said in awhile but....


im listening to leash from 93 and its much faster. they used to the same with porch too. it has nothing to do with matt or any drummer.
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    Drop The Leash 10Drop The Leash 10 Posts: 7,011
    he speeds songs up.. not alot but a notable difference. it's not a bad thing, those who complain are spoiled and want the songs exactly the same live as the studio version.. every drummer does it.
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    CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    Songs are a lot faster now on a number of them. I don't know if it's Matt who is to blame, but some of the old songs that had some character with the mid-tempo are now being played like they just want to get them done with. :lol:

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    unlost dogsunlost dogs Greater Boston Posts: 12,553
    I figured it was a guy thing.
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    DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,413
    Drop The Leash 10 wrote:
    those who complain are spoiled and want the songs exactly the same live as the studio version

    That's just dumb...I think most people don't like the fact that there's no groove when the songs get sped up so fast.

    I guess I'll say "THEY play Evenflow, Given to Fly and Force of Nature too fast" from now on.
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,522
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Songs are a lot faster now on a number of them. I don't know if it's Matt who is to blame, but some of the old songs that had some character with the mid-tempo are now being played like they just want to get them done with. :lol:

    I Got ID - '96
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugw4cgVZWA

    I Got Id - '10
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsV4aDKwWlo

    but Ed sets the tempo there
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    12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    Smellyman wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Songs are a lot faster now on a number of them. I don't know if it's Matt who is to blame, but some of the old songs that had some character with the mid-tempo are now being played like they just want to get them done with. :lol:

    I Got ID - '96
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugw4cgVZWA

    I Got Id - '10
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsV4aDKwWlo

    but Ed sets the tempo there


    lol owned! Its pretty obvious its the bands decision for tempos.
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    CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Songs are a lot faster now on a number of them. I don't know if it's Matt who is to blame, but some of the old songs that had some character with the mid-tempo are now being played like they just want to get them done with. :lol:

    I Got ID - '96
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugw4cgVZWA

    I Got Id - '10
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsV4aDKwWlo

    but Ed sets the tempo there


    lol owned! Its pretty obvious its the bands decision for tempos.


    who got owned? :roll:
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    CantKeepmedownCantKeepmedown Portland, Maine Posts: 2,927
    It cannot be argued that a song like State has been totally sped up. I noticed Given to Fly getting the same treatment on this tour.

    Even a song like Sometimes is being played too fast (on some shows, at least)
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    on2legson2legs Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,485
    Do you really think that out of the 5 guys in the band, its the least senior member of the band who is calling the shots and making the decision to speed up the songs?

    Its either a collective decision or purely Ed's call... but it definitely ain't Matt doing it unless the others are on board.
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    CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    CantKeepmedown wrote:
    It cannot be argued that a song like State has been totally sped up. I noticed Given to Fly getting the same treatment on this tour.

    Even a song like Sometimes is being played too fast (on some shows, at least)


    Its hard to judge who is speeding up a song. Drummers typically set the tempo of a song. Let's say that Matt is speeding up songs, for the sake of discussion. If the band is now anticipating that songs will be played faster (from the previous times they've played them fast) then when they do the next guitar intro (like on Sometimes, etc) then they'll start it faster so it will match the speed they anticipate playing. ...but for all we know Ed wants to speed the fuck thru them.

    I'm assuming the band is playing it however they want to play it. They're fully capable of slowing it down if they want to. They may not even be aware of some of these songs being played faster.

    But, they sure don't play 'em like they used to in general.
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    Dreams Are TrashDreams Are Trash Posts: 67
    If Eddie didn't like the way the songs were being played, we'd be seeing him shoot a lot more of his patented "death stares" at the band. I'd imagine they play 'em how he wants to play 'em.
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    dwhite76dwhite76 Posts: 2,801
    Could it be that they have just gotten better at playing the songs and like anything you do over and over your bound to get faster and faster.
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    UpSideDownUpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    CantKeepmedown wrote:
    It cannot be argued that a song like State has been totally sped up. I noticed Given to Fly getting the same treatment on this tour.

    Even a song like Sometimes is being played too fast (on some shows, at least)

    Listen to SOLAT from A drop in the park, and then a 2010 version.......Really not that far off from each other (although there were some super fast versions in 2006, I will admit that)

    Sometimes is initially paced with Ed on the guitar.....then the bass/drums kicks in, as I'm sure u know...

    They have played given to fly both fast and regular with Matt.......same with Even Flow........

    Its the whole band, not just Matt.......but I'm also sure he has free reign to up the tempo when he feels like its necessary.

    I was actually listening to Given To Fly on Yield the other day......and wanted the damn song to get some energy and speed up....soo much better live....
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    12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    Dreams Are Trash wrote:
    If Eddie didn't like the way the songs were being played, we'd be seeing him shoot a lot more of his patented "death stares" at the band. I'd imagine they play 'em how he wants to play 'em.

    what death stares?
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    "ONCE" is actually played SLOWER now compared to the 'Early' days...and Even Flow is at the RIGHT Tempo! :)
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    CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Dreams Are Trash wrote:
    If Eddie didn't like the way the songs were being played, we'd be seeing him shoot a lot more of his patented "death stares" at the band. I'd imagine they play 'em how he wants to play 'em.

    what death stares?


    kinda like this, but the opposite.
    Scott%20Stapp%201.jpg
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    tvismyfriendtvismyfriend Posts: 2,118
    dwhite76 wrote:
    Could it be that they have just gotten better at playing the songs and like anything you do over and over your bound to get faster and faster.
    If only this excuse flew with the ladies.
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    october22october22 Posts: 2,533
    CJMST3K wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:
    Dreams Are Trash wrote:
    If Eddie didn't like the way the songs were being played, we'd be seeing him shoot a lot more of his patented "death stares" at the band. I'd imagine they play 'em how he wants to play 'em.

    what death stares?


    kinda like this, but the opposite.
    Scott%20Stapp%201.jpg


    Yeah man, if someone looked at me like the opposite of "image" I'd shit my pants
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    Guitarhero27Guitarhero27 Posts: 2,146
    I actually found it a lot of fun to listen to the 2003 versions of Even Flow...from the first show of the tour to the last show of the tour.

    The speed is frantic, and as a guitarist in a Pearl Jam tribute band (I play Stone)...playing that riff, that fast...is fucking fun.
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    CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    october22 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    12345AGNST1 wrote:

    what death stares?


    kinda like this, but the opposite.
    Scott%20Stapp%201.jpg


    Yeah man, if someone looked at me like the opposite of "image" I'd shit my pants


    I know what you're trying to say, but it's even funnier when I'm looking at the actual photo in your post! :lol::D
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    i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    tvismyfriend wrote:
    dwhite76 wrote:
    Could it be that they have just gotten better at playing the songs and like anything you do over and over your bound to get faster and faster.
    If only this excuse flew with the ladies.

    hahaha... ;)
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    mca47mca47 Posts: 13,258
    I'm pretty sure it's not just Matt for why the songs are fast.


    I'm also pretty sure if it WAS Matt, the band must really like it because I can't see Ed or Stone putting up with anything they didn't really want.


    My guess the reason why the songs are so fast is due more to Ed than Matt...
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    SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,522
    CantKeepmedown wrote:
    It cannot be argued that a song like State has been totally sped up. I noticed Given to Fly getting the same treatment on this tour.

    Even a song like Sometimes is being played too fast (on some shows, at least)

    State started by Mike
    GTF by Mike
    Sometimes by ED
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    fox_mulderXfox_mulderX Posts: 1,134
    off he goes is the only song i wish they'd slow down. fuckin' matt.
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    High Fidelity 2000High Fidelity 2000 New Mexico USA Posts: 4,435
    Jack Irons used to play things a lot SLOWER... I don't think he could keep up with Matt's tempos, or even some of the ones on the album. i.e. Spin the Black Circle. Matt definitely plays too fast sometimes, but it seems like he's backed down a little bit this tour?
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    PilatesDogARPilatesDogAR Posts: 124
    Here's the thing.... Some songs are played really way too fast, but I don't mind. Why? Because the faster the songs are played, the more songs we get to hear at a show. They have around 2 1/2 - 3 hours to play a show. If they played the songs at regular speed, we'd be hearing 23 songs instead of 32 (please don't check my math). I say play fast so we can hear more.

    I went back and listened to Live on Two Legs for the first time in a while. The songs seemed slow and kinda boring. I like the way the band is playing now. No, I love it. People need to stop complaining. I saw over 120 songs on the East Coast swing (Boston, Newark and MSG I & II [I live in Arkansas]) and I can't stop thinking about how awesome it was. Slow down? Hell no!
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    Little ItalyLittle Italy Rochester, NY Posts: 404
    CJMST3K wrote:
    Songs are a lot faster now on a number of them. I don't know if it's Matt who is to blame, but some of the old songs that had some character with the mid-tempo are now being played like they just want to get them done with. :lol:

    I Got ID - '96
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,190
    I actually tried to compare lenghts of some songs. But I never finsihed it, found the textfile though (I didn't count from start of the trackbut found some drum-intro or guitar to start from and end with):

    HAIL HAIL
    Studio: 3:40
    Live on two legs: 3:20
    2003 Mansfield: 3:15
    2006 Pistoia: 3:15
    2009: Berlin: 3:16

    DO THE EVOLUTION
    Studio: 3:50 (with boring fade out)
    Live on two Legs: 3:32
    2003 mansfield: 3:29
    2006 verona: 3:21
    2009 berlin: 3:29

    CORDUROY
    Studio: 4:36 (with boring fade out)
    Live On Two Legs: 4:34
    2003 Mansfield: 4:25
    2006 Milan: 3:41
    2009 Berlin: 4:15

    GIVEN TO FLY
    Studio: 3:50
    Live on two Legs: 3:47
    2003 New York: 3:22
    2006 Verona: 3:14
    2009 Berlin: 3:22

    STATE OF LOVE AND TRUST
    Studio: 3:40
    Drop In The park: 3:30
    2006 Milano: 2:59
    2009 Christchurch: 3:08

    WHY GO
    Studio: 3:13
    Drop In The Park: 3:15
    2006 Milano: 3:13
    2009 Brisbane: 3:01
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    12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    Nice... so it seems they're doing it a little bit slower now.
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    KushikushunKushikushun Posts: 1,263
    I guess I am easily pleased, I like it all; fast slow medium ;)
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